No major cases cracked with Patriot Act

Not even a single one? Like... Reefer Madness?

FBI agents can’t point to any major terrorism cases they’ve cracked thanks to the key snooping powers in the Patriot Act, the Justice Department’s inspector general said in a report Thursday that could complicate efforts to keep key parts of the law operating.

www.washingtontimes.com...

This has to be a big scandal then, doesn't it? I did a quick search for the woofs of such a fat bummer and found this masterpiece:

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To throw away a key tool at a time of such heightened concern would be foolish, opponents say.

"For somebody to just say we're willing to let the Patriot Act expire is irresponsible," Republican Arizona Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, told CNN.

McCain and others argue that the U.S. could have prevented 9/11 if the NSA programs had been in place before the terror attacks.

And fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina insisted that the NSA programs authorized under the Patriot Act are "still our best bet to prevent another 9/11."

"It's one thing to reform the Patriot Act," Graham said. "It's another thing to gut it or weaken it."

edition.cnn.com...

So the broken ones are key tools then? This 'Act' never helped to solve even one major terror case. WTF?

Don't talk bad about tools!

Let's just listen to them for a while, might actually help to recapitulate what we see happening under our own eyes right now.
And the animations are awesome btw...



Ladies and Gentlemen!

Please take off your seatbelt and start smoking, we've reached your destination in unprecedented heights of Idiocracy.
This is actual proof for political madness. And the Patriot Act is there to stay, foreverever.

Obey a nice day now!

It was never about terrorists unless you count the 320 million living in the US then you may be onto something..
Just like the fatherland security agency and the TSA all this crap after 911 was a waste and made alot of people rich and those people are not the people of the terrorist nation of the United States.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Prevented 911? roflmao

Like it prevented Aurora, Boston, Sandy Hook? Pretty lame Act, since it hasn't prevented any terrorist act. I mean seriously, politicians, bankers, CEO'S and lobbyists are still playing criminal games.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: ThichHeaded

Did somebody already call you paranoid for your sinister thoughtcrimes? Spot on, mate! But that was too easy...

Why in hell should anybody want to keep this crap if it wouldn't be usefull for the lovely policestate in full swing?
Military-industrial-complex strikes again, take a look at the Senators who pushed this and you look straight into the eyes of this beast I guess.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

You know this crap also lead to a loss of freedoms and a bigger police state so prior to 911 the US was the US, today it is afraid of its own shadow
. It might need to Water board it for info on terror activities or something like that.

I do believe I am on a list somewhere..

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Prevented 911? roflmao

Like it prevented Aurora, Boston, Sandy Hook? Pretty lame Act, since it hasn't prevented any terrorist act. I mean seriously, politicians, bankers, CEO'S and lobbyists are still playing criminal games.

Yeah, the conspiracy-theorist-view of things and we are plain nuts. Wackos, officially spoken.

But this story may even prove worthy to show Fox-Sheeple how broken their 'key tool' really is. Could be a lot of fun, rocksolid source after all. No way to deny this epic failure. And despite actual proof for a failed system they keep pushing it regardless. By far the best part of this story after all, the 'Autobiography of Dat Fragger called Patriot Act' turns finally out to be a fun-read.

Reefer Madness at it's best, I could use some Soma now!

Maybe they have cracked a ton of cases, maybe a case every few days -- and they just aren't advertising that.

No -- wait -- that would mean they were lying to us, and I doubt that would ever happen.

SO I GUESS that we should believe them about how useless they are.

a reply to: ThichHeaded

I do believe I am on a list somewhere..

Yep, indeedy. I hope we are, I would be deeply ashamed if I am not on the reddist list they could find. Might even help to sell my art if I would be jailed for thoughtcrimes.

You know... I'm from Germany and we have a long history of this crap. I still may raise concerns without beeing labled a terrorist but after Charlie Hebdo I'm really not so sure anymore. Damned, it's a shame. I want my democracy back.

a reply to: Axial Leader

Maybe they have cracked a ton of cases, maybe a case every few days -- and they just aren't advertising that.

No -- wait -- that would mean they were lying to us, and I doubt that would ever happen.

SO I GUESS that we should believe them about how useless they are.

Perfect example for "Duckspeak", thank you!

So you think secret services shouldn't be controlled after all? Mhmm...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Meh Germany ain't got nothing on the US. We are at 1 billion and counting deaths that we have given other countries for whatever lie we were told to follow.

I care not to follow a lie rather to seek truth.. they say the truth in a land of lies perhaps may be a dangerous thing to show people..

But it seems to be a 'Revolution Calling' of sorts..
People are slowly getting sick of this crap.. We may be able to 'Dethrone Tyranny'.

You should listen to the 2 songs I added into this post.. both are good and both were made in the 90s.

originally posted by: ThichHeaded
a reply to: PublicOpinion

You know this crap also lead to a loss of freedoms and a bigger police state so prior to 911 the US was the US, today it is afraid of its own shadow
. It might need to Water board it for info on terror activities or something like that.

I do believe I am on a list somewhere..

I definitely am... I worked for the South African military, SADF, Armscor and Counterintelligence and of course I was there in 1988/89 when the state department shipped the weapons to Saddam so he could invade Kuwait (that was the plan). I was there in 1987/88 when SA was moving weapons and weapons grade materials with the US's full knowledge (and the subsequent plane explosion over the Indian Ocean.

External Affairs here labelled me a merc (actually an engineer and physicist but I worked for a foreign military) even though Adrian Brazeau the Admin Consul tried to get me killed (or was allowing it along with my wife and two kids). CSIS will NOT honour my FOIA requests on myself as it supposedly involves 9 national security statutes, at least according to their letter. And then the government was instrumental in my losing mid 8 digits $ wise to protect their ministers, universities and the stock market from tax and public funds fraud charges using the Canada Revenue Agency and the Superior court to hide their criminal acts.

Am I on the list? Does a bear s**t in the woods?

I think what really pisses them off, is I kept notes, evidence, audio recordings and I wrote a book about it ;-) S**t happens... but I am kinda surprised I haven't been hit by a drone.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: ThichHeaded

I really hope you are correct with your perception.

There is a lot of hypocrisy going on, somehow inspiring for my projects but on the other hand very depressing as well.

Songs from the 90s? Can't see them in your post - feel free to add them!
Rage against the Machine would be appropriate by now...

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

... but I am kinda surprised I haven't been hit by a drone.

...yet.



Awesome, stay that frosty please! Big respect, Dave!

What's the name of your book? The mercyless merchandising merc has to provide some more info now, maybe a link to the ATS-thread as well? There is one, is't it?


Cheers!

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Axial Leader

So you think secret services shouldn't be controlled after all? Mhmm...

I didn't say that, and you are missing what I hoped would be an ironic remark in my comment above (i.e. that we can expect nothing but lies on this topic from here onward -- that is what I was trying to say.)

But since I am now in a responsive mode...

The way you interpreted my comment is the same way you interpreted the OP -- you are painting everything in black and white without accounting for any intermediate truths.

I don't think that is strange or even bad -- But you should recognize that about yourself, as a type of self-perception -- you are engaging in a type of extremism in your comments at perhaps your thought processes.

But no offense intended -- I actually enjoy extremism, hence why I hang out here

a reply to: Axial Leader

I don't think that is strange or even bad -- But you should recognize that about yourself, as a type of self-perception -- you are engaging in a type of extremism in your comments at perhaps your thought processes.

Depends on your viewpoint. I like to dig deep to get to the root of the problem usually, radix is pretty spot on then. But I guess that's not what you meant.

You know... I actually did post the Newspeak-article to illustrate the thoughtcrime you just commited.

I would claim doublethink on your behalf if you try to imply, that it's just some force of nature when the FBI (or any other agency) lies straight into the face of the Justice Department’s inspector general. And it doesn't make sense to suggest they could have done so. Gov. agencies usually praise themselfes for every little achievement (to get more/ keep their funds).

And thanks for the rather decent reply I didn't expect!

the sledgehammer and the walnut.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

... but I am kinda surprised I haven't been hit by a drone.

...yet.

Awesome, stay that frosty please! Big respect, Dave!

What's the name of your book? The mercyless merchandising merc has to provide some more info now, maybe a link to the ATS-thread as well? There is one, is't it?

Cheers!

I don't really do advertising here ;-) I think it's against the TOC. I didn't do a show and tell on the book, but I do tend to have responses to topics that go back to my time in South Africa in "killing fields," generally analogies or references. But let's go back to the patriot act... You know, when I was working for the military and military contractors, I think they did things the smart way. We watched borders for ANC terrorists using proxies, they were farmers. Since the farmers knew their land near the Limpopo Valley (as an example), if anything was disturbed they could tell by what and generally an approximate time frame. That got called in via the police, who in-turn reported it to the Messina SMG base, who then scrambled the reaction team. The reaction team would surveil, approach and/or end the problem (most were not high-value targets that could be interrogated).

The nice thing was we all worked together, the citizens, the police and the military to get rid of a problem. Nobody was competing for the kill and in this case nobody was taping phones or collecting meta-data. Everybody had a job to do and everybody did their job. Sure there were cases, like Alldays, where they managed to get around the system and go a little deep (30km's) but the 6 of them were ended (I was in the ops room that day finishing off the AI systems for the lethal fences).

When I look at the US, the patriot act is simply retarded. It's saying that none of you know what you are doing and big gov has to do everything for you, it's insulting just from that standpoint let alone the injury from the number of freedoms it removes and the loss of privacy. Any politician, bureaucrat, corporate mouthpiece or banker that says you need the patriot act is a traitor.

Cheers - Dave

This is exactly what most people have been saying since 2001 when it was enacted.

Republicans especially love to point to "all the times PATRIOT has kept the United States safe from terrorism, but can't actually come up with any specifics when you ask any of them.

The problem is, the SECOND that PATRIOT is cancelled, you know there's going to be some sort of terrorist attack and that the cancellation of PATRIOT will be blamed.

I've talked to Americans about this very thing, and the scariest part of all is, that in the unlikely event that they have even *heard* of the Patriot Act, they usually believe that it has actually caught terrorists. The only thing the Patriot Act has caught is politicians in their own lies.

a reply to: babybunnies

This is exactly what most people have been saying since 2001 when it was enacted.

Republicans especially love to point to "all the times PATRIOT has kept the United States safe from terrorism, but can't actually come up with any specifics when you ask any of them.

The problem is, the SECOND that PATRIOT is cancelled, you know there's going to be some sort of terrorist attack and that the cancellation of PATRIOT will be blamed.

As witches got blaimed and burned for bad crops during the middle-ages...

The roots of terrorism can never be fought declaring war on a strategy, how many generations will it take to transpire this religious believe?