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originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: introvert
They are not being forced to go against their beliefs.
Yes they are.
They don't HAVE to operate a business. If they do choose to run a business, they should be expected to operate in a way that serves the entire public and not just people their PRIVATE beliefs agree with.
That's not what the law says. Religious people can run a business based on religious principles. And if you force people of religious conviction to operate their business in a secular manner, then you have discriminated against them.
Religious folks and same-sex-couple folks should have equal rights. You can't step on the rights of religious folks to run their life and their business in a religious manner.
Again - I'm for marriage equality.
But you can't take away the rights of others in order to get it.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Religious freedom is something a PERSON exercises by going to church, praying, raising their children in the church, reading the bible, and handling snakes. It doesn't come into play in BUSINESSES.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: beezzer
So you have the right to religious freedom as long as you don't use it.
If your religious freedom told you that the abortions doctors should die, would you consider it to be "using your religious freedom" to kill one? Is that an imposition on religious freedom?
Religious freedom is something a PERSON exercises by going to church, praying, raising their children in the church, reading the bible, and handling snakes. It doesn't come into play in BUSINESSES.
originally posted by: greencmp
There should never be any protected classes.
originally posted by: introvert
The law is wrong and, like I said, it has opened a huge can of worms.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: greencmp
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
When is the federal government going to admit LGBT's as a protected class so nonsense like this is forced to stop?
There should never be any protected classes.
Well that has shown to be unacceptable. Without protected classes then bigotry runs rampant.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like I said earlier, you have the right to religious freedom. You DON'T have the right to use that religious freedom to discriminate against someone else.
Maybe. I"m not sure about that. Discriminatory beliefs may be protected.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like I said earlier, you have the right to religious freedom. You DON'T have the right to use that religious freedom to discriminate against someone else.
Maybe. I"m not sure about that. Discriminatory beliefs may be protected.
They certainly weren't when Segregationists tried to use that argument to maintain Segregation.
originally posted by: beezzer
You're infringing on the rights of the abortion doctor.
Those people who are religious and own a business just don't want to participate.
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: greencmp
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
When is the federal government going to admit LGBT's as a protected class so nonsense like this is forced to stop?
There should never be any protected classes.
Well that has shown to be unacceptable. Without protected classes then bigotry runs rampant.
Do unto others ...
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: greencmp
ya we should all be protected equally!! if someone can refuse a person birth control insurance based on their religious belief I shouldn't be forced to mow the poor little blades of grass in my lawn because I believe that I cause them pain and physical injury when I do and causing undue pain to another (be it human, animal, or plantlife) is a moral sin!!!
originally posted by: greencmp
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like I said earlier, you have the right to religious freedom. You DON'T have the right to use that religious freedom to discriminate against someone else.
Maybe. I"m not sure about that. Discriminatory beliefs may be protected.
They certainly weren't when Segregationists tried to use that argument to maintain Segregation.
Segregationists wanted themselves to be a protected class.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Yep. Like I said ... tricky. How to get equal rights for same-sex couples while not removing the rights of religious people to follow and practice their religion. Everyone has to have their rights. But how to implement it without infringing upon the different groups. Hard to figure out ....
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: Snarl
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: greencmp
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
When is the federal government going to admit LGBT's as a protected class so nonsense like this is forced to stop?
There should never be any protected classes.
Well that has shown to be unacceptable. Without protected classes then bigotry runs rampant.
Do unto others ...
...isn't a law in this country. Though it would be nice if Christians actually practiced that creed instead of repeating it all the time. If that were the case, then things like "protected classes" would be unnecessary since there would be no discrimination against minority classes.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: greencmp
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: FlyersFan
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Like I said earlier, you have the right to religious freedom. You DON'T have the right to use that religious freedom to discriminate against someone else.
Maybe. I"m not sure about that. Discriminatory beliefs may be protected.
They certainly weren't when Segregationists tried to use that argument to maintain Segregation.
Segregationists wanted themselves to be a protected class.
Fallacious argument. There is no need to protect discriminatory beliefs.