Ukrainian Politician warns her country about whats coming

I found this on liveleak, this woman puts it out there on Poroshenko is doing,and how dangerous it is for Ukraine's democracy. I fear if she is right,that all is lost in Ukraine now. They are gearing up for WW3 whether anyone else wants it or not. But this is very informative,as she goes into what the economic cost has been,and how this will effect Ukraine's constitution. I will leave it to you to decide on how you feel about what she is saying.

www.liveleak.com...

It has all english subs on it.

From the source.

"Ukrainian Politician Nataliya Vitrenko talks about a law recently passed in Ukrainian Parliament, which effectively dismantles Constitutional system in Ukraine in case marshall law is declared. De jure the governement will take shape of military junta".
Now you know what it's about

a reply to: Dimithae

The use of the term military Junta is where I stopped.

Progressive socialist party of Ukraine.... In other words she is pro Russian.


Nataliya Vitrenko

She was a candidate in the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election, nominated by the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, which she has chaired since 1996. In the Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2002 her party won 3.22% of the votes. She was a presidential candidate in 1999, when she won 11% of the votes to finish in 4th place. In the 2004 elections, however, she finished in fifth place and received less than 5% of the vote.

On October 2, 1999, Vitrenko was attacked and wounded following a campaign rally when two unknown assailants threw two hand grenades at a crowd gathered outside one of her campaign events.[1]

Natalia Vitrenko was again nominated by the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine as candidate for the Ukrainian presidential election, 2010[2] but the CECoU (Central Election Commission of Ukraine) refused to register her for failure to pay the required 2.5 million hryvnya nomination deposit. Vitrenko did not agree with the refusal, submitted a complaint to the judge and before his very eyes tore down the Ukrainian constitution as a protest. On November 11, 2009, Vitrenko said: "Ukraine is condemned either to collapse, or to make a revolution. To Ukrainian government, Constitution of Ukraine is nothing but toilet paper." Vitrenko's 1999 campaign was characterized by the Ukrainian Weekly as "fierce populism, nostalgia for the Soviet era, and strong anti-Western sentiments".[3]

also, of some importance -

Vitrenko is a member of the Eurasian Youth Union.[6]

Eurasian Youth Union

The Eurasian Youth Union (Russian: Евразийский союз молодёжи; ESM) is a Russian anti-European political organization, the youth wing of the Eurasia Party headed by Aleksandr Dugin. The organization has branches in several countries. The Government of Ukraine has branded the ESM as an extremist, anti-Ukrainian organization, convicted of a string of vandalism offenses and banned it in Ukraine.[1]

Who is Aleksandr Dugin?

Alexandr Gelyevich Dugin (Russian: Алекса́ндр Ге́льевич Ду́гин; born 7 January 1962) is a Russian political scientist known for his fascist views[3] and calls to hasten the "end of times" with all out war.[4][5][6][7][8] He has close ties with the Kremlin and the Russian military,[9][10] having served as an advisor to State Duma speaker and key member of the ruling United Russia party Sergei Naryshkin.[11]

Dugin was the leading organizer of the National Bolshevik Party, National Bolshevik Front, and Eurasia Party. He is the author of more than 30 books, among them Foundations of Geopolitics and The Fourth Political Theory and is very well known in Traditionalist circles around the world, where he is frequently invited as a lecturer.

He focuses on the restoration of the Russian Empire through the unification of Russian-speaking territories, which roughly corresponds to the former Soviet republics, such as Georgia and Ukraine, and unification with Russian-speaking territories, especially eastern Ukraine and Crimea.[12][13] In the Kremlin, Dugin represents the "war party", a division in the heart of the leadership concerning Ukraine,[14] and is seen as the driving conceptual force behind Vladimir Putin’s initiative for the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation.[15] According to his geopolitical views, he considers the war between Russia and Ukraine to be inevitable and appeals for Putin to start military intervention in eastern Ukraine.[15]

Believing that the so-called fifth column has been working for two decades to destroy Russia's sovereignty from the inside, he proposed in 2014 to strip all dissidents, including musician Andrei Makarevich, from their Russian citizenship and deport them from the country.[16]

Yup.. no wingnuts there...

By the way he is a nationalist-socialist = Nazi, albeit it of the National Bolshevist Variety.

Also I don't believe she is a currently active member in any branch of the Ukrainian government.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Dimithae

The use of the term military Junta is where I stopped.

Progressive socialist party of Ukraine.... In other words she is pro Russian.


Nataliya Vitrenko

She was a candidate in the 2004 Ukrainian presidential election, nominated by the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, which she has chaired since 1996. In the Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2002 her party won 3.22% of the votes. She was a presidential candidate in 1999, when she won 11% of the votes to finish in 4th place. In the 2004 elections, however, she finished in fifth place and received less than 5% of the vote.

On October 2, 1999, Vitrenko was attacked and wounded following a campaign rally when two unknown assailants threw two hand grenades at a crowd gathered outside one of her campaign events.[1]

Natalia Vitrenko was again nominated by the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine as candidate for the Ukrainian presidential election, 2010[2] but the CECoU (Central Election Commission of Ukraine) refused to register her for failure to pay the required 2.5 million hryvnya nomination deposit. Vitrenko did not agree with the refusal, submitted a complaint to the judge and before his very eyes tore down the Ukrainian constitution as a protest. On November 11, 2009, Vitrenko said: "Ukraine is condemned either to collapse, or to make a revolution. To Ukrainian government, Constitution of Ukraine is nothing but toilet paper." Vitrenko's 1999 campaign was characterized by the Ukrainian Weekly as "fierce populism, nostalgia for the Soviet era, and strong anti-Western sentiments".[3]

also, of some importance -

Vitrenko is a member of the Eurasian Youth Union.[6]

Eurasian Youth Union

The Eurasian Youth Union (Russian: Евразийский союз молодёжи; ESM) is a Russian anti-European political organization, the youth wing of the Eurasia Party headed by Aleksandr Dugin. The organization has branches in several countries. The Government of Ukraine has branded the ESM as an extremist, anti-Ukrainian organization, convicted of a string of vandalism offenses and banned it in Ukraine.[1]

Who is Aleksandr Dugin?

Alexandr Gelyevich Dugin (Russian: Алекса́ндр Ге́льевич Ду́гин; born 7 January 1962) is a Russian political scientist known for his fascist views[3] and calls to hasten the "end of times" with all out war.[4][5][6][7][8] He has close ties with the Kremlin and the Russian military,[9][10] having served as an advisor to State Duma speaker and key member of the ruling United Russia party Sergei Naryshkin.[11]

Dugin was the leading organizer of the National Bolshevik Party, National Bolshevik Front, and Eurasia Party. He is the author of more than 30 books, among them Foundations of Geopolitics and The Fourth Political Theory and is very well known in Traditionalist circles around the world, where he is frequently invited as a lecturer.

He focuses on the restoration of the Russian Empire through the unification of Russian-speaking territories, which roughly corresponds to the former Soviet republics, such as Georgia and Ukraine, and unification with Russian-speaking territories, especially eastern Ukraine and Crimea.[12][13] In the Kremlin, Dugin represents the "war party", a division in the heart of the leadership concerning Ukraine,[14] and is seen as the driving conceptual force behind Vladimir Putin’s initiative for the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation.[15] According to his geopolitical views, he considers the war between Russia and Ukraine to be inevitable and appeals for Putin to start military intervention in eastern Ukraine.[15]

Believing that the so-called fifth column has been working for two decades to destroy Russia's sovereignty from the inside, he proposed in 2014 to strip all dissidents, including musician Andrei Makarevich, from their Russian citizenship and deport them from the country.[16]

Yup.. no wingnuts there...

By the way he is a nationalist-socialist = Nazi, albeit it of the National Bolshevist Variety.

Also I don't believe she is a currently active member in any branch of the Ukrainian government.

I starred and flagged you for your post, interesting stuff there.
I think war could be avoided but it's looking doubtful. You remember last year when the shareholders at Gazprom? were suing for $50b, a reporter asked a Russian minister about it and he told him it didn't matter war was coming to Europe?

I don't give her a month and she will die from either an accident or from what the government considers as a hit from their opposition.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The use of the term military Junta is where I stopped.

Perhaps you shouldn't have stopped. I understand that you won't agree with certain things that don't fit into what you think about this situation,but in order to truly be informed about what is going on there,you need to listen to even those whose side you don't agree with. I doubt if it would change your mind,but if someone brings it up,you will know what they talking about at least. What she has or hasn't done is not the issue here. This is about a law that HAS been passed already for martial law in Ukraine. Under this law,it will basically cancel their constitution,make it illegal to even gather together,no more elections,and they can take anyone's property they want,public or private. She goes through and reads it for you and explains what will happen by different paragraphs. This is an all encompassing rule of law that will over rule their judges,and just about everyone else in any position of government.

originally posted by: Dimithae
I found this on liveleak, this woman puts it out there on Poroshenko is doing,and how dangerous it is for Ukraine's democracy. I fear if she is right,that all is lost in Ukraine now. They are gearing up for WW3 whether anyone else wants it or not. But this is very informative,as she goes into what the economic cost has been,and how this will effect Ukraine's constitution. I will leave it to you to decide on how you feel about what she is saying.

www.liveleak.com...

It has all english subs on it.

This is funny the Nazi party in Ukraine speaks up and you quote it wow talk about egg on your face.

a reply to: Dimithae

They are gearing up for WW3 whether anyone else wants it or not.

Who is gearing for WW3 and who is going fight on behalf of Ukraine or whatever it used to be till Feb 22, 2014. Do you think US is going to fight Russia over Ukraine? US would not even fight Pakistan which was sheltering AQ and Taliban and still does. That's because Pak has nukes.

Kiev has been a part of Russian empire for several hundred years. It is very likely that Kremlin will come all the way to Kiev and retake as part of the Novorossiya, which will later on join Russia.

Other than economic sanctions US/West/NATO cannot do anything.

Btw, all those who identify themselves as originating from Polish, Hungarian, Austrian roots will be given an honorable discharge and sent away to where ever they want to go. These are the real fascists and NATO bootlickers and because they are in power for now so other "opportunists" are standing behind them.

a reply to: dragonridr

Unlike a lot of others here, I go and look at both sides of anything. I get all the info I can on it and then make a decision on what I believe. Just because I don't agree with someone,does not make everything they say wrong or a lie. I'm sorry that you think that only those that share your opinion on any subject are worth listening to. I guess this is why those of us on both sides can not come to any type of consensus on Ukraine,If you discard anything that doesn't agree with you,you can not listen anymore. It leaves you in the dark and unable to see the truth,whether that truth agrees with you or not.I do not support nor agree with everything this woman stands for in her party. That is NOT the issue here as I said before. The issue here is about the law that Ukraine has now passed on marital law. Really I would rather we keep on that point,since it is what the thread is about.

As far as her being a Nazi, well so what if she is? Isn't our government training and arming them? Wave those flags higher boys for the good ole red,white,and blue. We like Nazis now,haven't you heard? We refused to vote against Nazis at the UN along with Ukraine. Nazis are now the good guys. Because we say so. Suck it up and keep on training em.

a reply to: Dimithae

That's funny again you just essentially said you form an opinion than you look for information to verify your belief. Kind of have that backwards. And please show me wheee the US is training and funding Nazis missed that one. Now Russia is throughout Europe right now Even though they claim they started invasion of Ukraine to prevent the spread of the Nazi Junta as they like to say on RT.

One more thing her part in Ukraine is powerless her party got .5 percent of the vote in the last election. She is a Nazi that believes heir Putin is fighting back against the world to create his new Arian race lol. How Putin

a reply to: Dimithae

The Nazi bs is a result of Russian propaganda and people failing to exercise due diligence and actually check what Russia claims.

just like the use of military junta.. Kiev held elections.. The rebels did not.
The actions by kiev were in line with their constitution. The rebels were not.

a reply to: Dimithae

Russia formally recognized the government in Kiev so, again, I stopped at the use of junta. If she cant even get that right it makes one wonder about the rest of what she is claiming.

Fine, let them go to war with Russia, I will watch it on my big screen TV (and mobile when out and about enjoying myself).

Let them reap what they sow.

a reply to: MensaIT3

what would the US attack Russia for?