*Update* Game Changer OR Paradigm Shift ? – Walter Scott Shooting: Enhanced Video Shows Officer Sl

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: TinfoilTP

the car thief

Dictating the narrative are we?

Observing instead of ignoring details.

a reply to: doompornjunkie
From your source:

Police said Slager used a Taser against Scott

Is this a lie too?
So let's stop with this thing about Scott using the Taser on Slager.

ETA:
And I was actually trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the cops... That they aren't so freaking brazen that they would shoot an unarmed man in the back and tamper with the evidence at the crime scene, all while knowingly being videotaped.

I guess they are that brazen.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Watch the video?!?!

It's much more telling that the audio that you have been forced to resort to, to defend you standing.

The tazer is thrown backwards.. from Scott towards Slager.

Truth hurts, that's why they invented Vaseline!

The truth is that an officer of the law shot an unarmed man running away from him (wanted for back child support payments) in the back.

You must not be economical with the truth! you did not mention the broken tail light, so that's two criminal charges...sad isn't it?
Sad too that some other posters talk about criminals and don't even read this thread, or any of the other threads about the shooting.

If you watch from the beginning, he had no Insurance or registration and was pleading with the cop that he was just buying the car and didn't get the papers yet. Cop goes in his vehicle to run his ID, then the criminal opens the door a first time and is told to stay in his vehicle. A few moments later he opens the door and starts running like crazy.

You can hear on the police radio while the cop first approached that there is a stolen vehicle.

We don't execute petty criminals on the streets now though, do we?

I wasn't around when we gave cops judge/jury and executioner rights without appeals or witnesses or anything.

Hmmm...I think I'll opt for a fair trial myself.

Newsflash,
Crime is dangerous.

Should we get rid of all police now?

NO we should train them better and have better hiring standards. And they should be held accountable when they shoot people in the back.

Being a cop is hard, if you aren't cut out for it don't apply and quit if you can't take it. If you're too lazy to do your job and want to shoot people in the back then quit. We don't need you. Call me, I'll chase the guy down and wrestle him to the ground without shooting him, then I'll call for back up and write the report.

I'd like to think that if I cheat on my taxes or steal something or get in a fight or run a red light or jay walk or am late with child support payments or shoplift or spray grafitti on something that i won't be executed on the street.

You apparently do want a country like that, so I suggest immigrating to North Korea my friend. They like people like you.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Watch the video?!?!

It's much more telling that the audio that you have been forced to resort to, to defend you standing.

The tazer is thrown backwards.. from Scott towards Slager.

Truth hurts, that's why they invented Vaseline!

The truth is that an officer of the law shot an unarmed man running away from him (wanted for back child support payments) in the back.

You must not be economical with the truth! you did not mention the broken tail light, so that's two criminal charges...sad isn't it?
Sad too that some other posters talk about criminals and don't even read this thread, or any of the other threads about the shooting.

If you watch from the beginning, he had no Insurance or registration and was pleading with the cop that he was just buying the car and didn't get the papers yet. Cop goes in his vehicle to run his ID, then the criminal opens the door a first time and is told to stay in his vehicle. A few moments later he opens the door and starts running like crazy.

You can hear on the police radio while the cop first approached that there is a stolen vehicle.

We don't execute petty criminals on the streets now though, do we?

I wasn't around when we gave cops judge/jury and executioner rights without appeals or witnesses or anything.

Hmmm...I think I'll opt for a fair trial myself.

Newsflash,
Crime is dangerous.

Should we get rid of all police now?

NO we should train them better and have better hiring standards. And they should be held accountable when they shoot people in the back.

Being a cop is hard, if you aren't cut out for it don't apply and quit if you can't take it. If you're too lazy to do your job and want to shoot people in the back then quit. We don't need you. Call me, I'll chase the guy down and wrestle him to the ground without shooting him, then I'll call for back up and write the report.

I'd like to think that if I cheat on my taxes or steal something or get in a fight or run a red light or jay walk or am late with child support payments or shoplift or spray grafitti on something that i won't be executed on the street.

You apparently do want a country like that, so I suggest immigrating to North Korea my friend. They like people like you.

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

a reply to: amazing

Or they can try IS... they're actively recruiting.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

That is a chance that criminals take.... But there are rules.
Cops don't get to execute people if they are not a threat.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Watch the video?!?!

It's much more telling that the audio that you have been forced to resort to, to defend you standing.

The tazer is thrown backwards.. from Scott towards Slager.

Truth hurts, that's why they invented Vaseline!

The truth is that an officer of the law shot an unarmed man running away from him (wanted for back child support payments) in the back.

You must not be economical with the truth! you did not mention the broken tail light, so that's two criminal charges...sad isn't it?
Sad too that some other posters talk about criminals and don't even read this thread, or any of the other threads about the shooting.

If you watch from the beginning, he had no Insurance or registration and was pleading with the cop that he was just buying the car and didn't get the papers yet. Cop goes in his vehicle to run his ID, then the criminal opens the door a first time and is told to stay in his vehicle. A few moments later he opens the door and starts running like crazy.

You can hear on the police radio while the cop first approached that there is a stolen vehicle.

We don't execute petty criminals on the streets now though, do we?

I wasn't around when we gave cops judge/jury and executioner rights without appeals or witnesses or anything.

Hmmm...I think I'll opt for a fair trial myself.

Newsflash,
Crime is dangerous.

Should we get rid of all police now?

NO we should train them better and have better hiring standards. And they should be held accountable when they shoot people in the back.

Being a cop is hard, if you aren't cut out for it don't apply and quit if you can't take it. If you're too lazy to do your job and want to shoot people in the back then quit. We don't need you. Call me, I'll chase the guy down and wrestle him to the ground without shooting him, then I'll call for back up and write the report.

I'd like to think that if I cheat on my taxes or steal something or get in a fight or run a red light or jay walk or am late with child support payments or shoplift or spray grafitti on something that i won't be executed on the street.

You apparently do want a country like that, so I suggest immigrating to North Korea my friend. They like people like you.

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

What you appear to be saying, though, is that it's okay for the cops to execute people for any crime. Period. No trial needed.

That's very similar to communist North Korea or the Soviet Union, or Saudi Arabia...or ISIS. You don't really want the USA To become like that do you?

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: TinfoilTP

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

That is a chance that criminals take.... But there are rules.
Cops don't get to execute people if they are not a threat.

Of course not, which is why he was arrested.

Doesn't change the fact that crime is dangerous and this problem will never go away.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Watch the video?!?!

It's much more telling that the audio that you have been forced to resort to, to defend you standing.

The tazer is thrown backwards.. from Scott towards Slager.

Truth hurts, that's why they invented Vaseline!

The truth is that an officer of the law shot an unarmed man running away from him (wanted for back child support payments) in the back.

You must not be economical with the truth! you did not mention the broken tail light, so that's two criminal charges...sad isn't it?
Sad too that some other posters talk about criminals and don't even read this thread, or any of the other threads about the shooting.

If you watch from the beginning, he had no Insurance or registration and was pleading with the cop that he was just buying the car and didn't get the papers yet. Cop goes in his vehicle to run his ID, then the criminal opens the door a first time and is told to stay in his vehicle. A few moments later he opens the door and starts running like crazy.

You can hear on the police radio while the cop first approached that there is a stolen vehicle.

We don't execute petty criminals on the streets now though, do we?

I wasn't around when we gave cops judge/jury and executioner rights without appeals or witnesses or anything.

Hmmm...I think I'll opt for a fair trial myself.

Newsflash,
Crime is dangerous.

Should we get rid of all police now?

NO we should train them better and have better hiring standards. And they should be held accountable when they shoot people in the back.

Being a cop is hard, if you aren't cut out for it don't apply and quit if you can't take it. If you're too lazy to do your job and want to shoot people in the back then quit. We don't need you. Call me, I'll chase the guy down and wrestle him to the ground without shooting him, then I'll call for back up and write the report.

I'd like to think that if I cheat on my taxes or steal something or get in a fight or run a red light or jay walk or am late with child support payments or shoplift or spray grafitti on something that i won't be executed on the street.

You apparently do want a country like that, so I suggest immigrating to North Korea my friend. They like people like you.

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

What you appear to be saying, though, is that it's okay for the cops to execute people for any crime. Period. No trial needed.

That's very similar to communist North Korea or the Soviet Union, or Saudi Arabia...or ISIS. You don't really want the USA To become like that do you?

You are saying that, not me.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: TinfoilTP

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

That is a chance that criminals take.... But there are rules.
Cops don't get to execute people if they are not a threat.

Of course not, which is why he was arrested.

Doesn't change the fact that crime is dangerous and this problem will never go away.

It can though, People all over the world resist arrest and don't get killed.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Watch the video?!?!

It's much more telling that the audio that you have been forced to resort to, to defend you standing.

The tazer is thrown backwards.. from Scott towards Slager.

Truth hurts, that's why they invented Vaseline!

The truth is that an officer of the law shot an unarmed man running away from him (wanted for back child support payments) in the back.

You must not be economical with the truth! you did not mention the broken tail light, so that's two criminal charges...sad isn't it?
Sad too that some other posters talk about criminals and don't even read this thread, or any of the other threads about the shooting.

If you watch from the beginning, he had no Insurance or registration and was pleading with the cop that he was just buying the car and didn't get the papers yet. Cop goes in his vehicle to run his ID, then the criminal opens the door a first time and is told to stay in his vehicle. A few moments later he opens the door and starts running like crazy.

You can hear on the police radio while the cop first approached that there is a stolen vehicle.

We don't execute petty criminals on the streets now though, do we?

I wasn't around when we gave cops judge/jury and executioner rights without appeals or witnesses or anything.

Hmmm...I think I'll opt for a fair trial myself.

Newsflash,
Crime is dangerous.

Should we get rid of all police now?

NO we should train them better and have better hiring standards. And they should be held accountable when they shoot people in the back.

Being a cop is hard, if you aren't cut out for it don't apply and quit if you can't take it. If you're too lazy to do your job and want to shoot people in the back then quit. We don't need you. Call me, I'll chase the guy down and wrestle him to the ground without shooting him, then I'll call for back up and write the report.

I'd like to think that if I cheat on my taxes or steal something or get in a fight or run a red light or jay walk or am late with child support payments or shoplift or spray grafitti on something that i won't be executed on the street.

You apparently do want a country like that, so I suggest immigrating to North Korea my friend. They like people like you.

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

What you appear to be saying, though, is that it's okay for the cops to execute people for any crime. Period. No trial needed.

That's very similar to communist North Korea or the Soviet Union, or Saudi Arabia...or ISIS. You don't really want the USA To become like that do you?

You are saying that, not me.

I prefer freedom and accountable cops. I dont' want to live in North Korea.

I want to live in a country where cops don't shoot for no reason and ask questions later.

The USA doesn't work like that. North Korea does though...

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: TinfoilTP

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

That is a chance that criminals take.... But there are rules.
Cops don't get to execute people if they are not a threat.

Of course not, which is why he was arrested.

Doesn't change the fact that crime is dangerous and this problem will never go away.

It can though, People all over the world resist arrest and don't get killed.

Where do they get killed all the time every time, in the US? That is what you are implying.
The US jails are full of people that didn't get killed while arrested, your implied statement is ridiculous.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
I feel that you are putting words in my mouth.

Honestly is a sign of desperation.

Throughout this entire thread I have said that according to the video it appears that Slager had the tazer darts attached to him. Whether Scott was a demon or a saint doesn't matter if he had control of Scott's tazer at any given point, time, or in any dimension.

Try to disarm ( take a weapon) from a police officer and you WILL be shot.

This should not be a troubling thought to any that aren't mentally disabled..

If you are not trying to find some way to excuse Slager, why are you suggesting this scenario where Scott took Slager's taser and shocked him with it?

Desperation? Like clinging to false hopes when the police have admitted that Slager tased Scott rather than the other way around? Or maybe the passive-aggressive remark at the end of this post? That kind of desperation?

Uh no, it does not appear that Slager had taser darts on him. It appears that Scott does. You know, him running and appearing to drag a taser cartridge at some distance behind him? Your explanation is that it was wrapped around his leg, which makes little sense.

You don't get to say 'whoops my reaction was a bit slow so I can shoot you now that you're running away.' That's not how it works, sorry. Actual lawyers and police officers do not agree with your assessment even if Scott had shocked Slager, because he ran and was shot in the back. He was not a threat and not legally killed. The end.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: TinfoilTP

You have a right somewhere to do all of those crimes? You will confront armed officers and the situation can go bad if you struggle no matter how well trained they get.

That is a chance that criminals take.... But there are rules.
Cops don't get to execute people if they are not a threat.

Of course not, which is why he was arrested.

Doesn't change the fact that crime is dangerous and this problem will never go away.

It can though, People all over the world resist arrest and don't get killed.

Where do they get killed all the time every time, in the US? That is what you are implying.
The US jails are full of people that didn't get killed while arrested, your implied statement is ridiculous.

I'm implying that it's a growing problem, here in the US as in this case. We have threads all the time on ATS of this guy getting killed and this person and this guy and this mentally ill person. Far too often cops kill rather than do their job. The cops have gotten lazy. We've gotten slack in our hiring criteria. We've defunded training. We can reverse all of this at any time. We just have to put our minds to it.

This cop should have never been hired. Let this instance and all those like it put cops on notice. You're going to be called out, fired, prosecuted, sued and ruined if you kill people in this manner.

Once is too many. If this shooting is justified in your eyes, then where do you draw the line? If a shoplifter runs, do you shoot her in the back too? Where's that line? Watch cops for one small sample size. Many of them run, none of them get shot in the back. It can be done.

a reply to: butcherguy

So are the 32 gauge wires strong enough to pull out the barbed darts, or are they easily broken?

the wire size is actually 36 gauge and a 2 pound tinsel strength. that's almost as thin as frog hair.

here is a Taser Demo Spec Sheet PDF. link opens a PDF for those that don't like that.
see b and c.

TASER Cartridge Wire (36 gauge, 127 microns in diameter, smaller in diameter than some human hair, tensile strength is about 2 pounds) - some people have the misconception that a TASER ECD is a lightning bolt in the hand, or a horsepower (“hp”) in the hand (745 watts (W)). Also, many people understand the visual concept that it would take a very large cable to transmit the electrical energy from a lightning bolt.
a. Show the TASER cartridge wire.
b. Explain and show that the wire is easily broken (has a tensile strength of about 2 pounds).
c. Take wire in your hands and pull it apart – break it.
d. State that the cartridge wires are not car “jumper cables,” home extension cords, computer cords, nor even game player cords, etc.
PDF] TASER X26 ECD DEMONSTRATIONS - ecdlaw.info

still looking to see if probes embed hard enough to keep them from being pulled out by the wires

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Thanks for posting it.
I actually pulled up an operating manual for one to verify the wire length when someone had said 25 feet. According to the manual that I read, the wire length is 15 feet.

Here is a link to the operating manual for a Taser in pdf:
TASER X26c ECD User Manual
If anyone is interested.

I found something interesting in the manual.
Tasers are so safe they are prohibited to be possessed in 7 different states and the District of Columbia.

. The TASER device is restricted from possession by citizen users in the following states: Washington DC, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Yep, Taser wires have a ridiculously low tensile strength. Enough to break with bare hands. I'll again point out that in the video it's also easy to see that Scott is dragging the Taser cartridge behind him as he runs, a clear indication that the probes are still attached to him.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Watch the video?!?!

It's much more telling that the audio that you have been forced to resort to, to defend you standing.

The tazer is thrown backwards.. from Scott towards Slager.

Truth hurts, that's why they invented Vaseline!

The truth is that an officer of the law shot an unarmed man running away from him (wanted for back child support payments) in the back.

You must not be economical with the truth! you did not mention the broken tail light, so that's two criminal charges...sad isn't it?
Sad too that some other posters talk about criminals and don't even read this thread, or any of the other threads about the shooting.

If you watch from the beginning, he had no Insurance or registration and was pleading with the cop that he was just buying the car and didn't get the papers yet. Cop goes in his vehicle to run his ID, then the criminal opens the door a first time and is told to stay in his vehicle. A few moments later he opens the door and starts running like crazy.

You can hear on the police radio while the cop first approached that there is a stolen vehicle.

We don't execute petty criminals on the streets now though, do we?

I wasn't around when we gave cops judge/jury and executioner rights without appeals or witnesses or anything.

Hmmm...I think I'll opt for a fair trial myself.

Looks like they do, especially petty criminal..well not even. Scott's record is such;
1980's assault and battery charge,
1990's In possession of a bludgeon.
The rest all to do with child maintenance, and was in the clink a few times on non-payment charges. Not even clear if there was a warrant at this time, but I presume there was.
Thing is, people are catching on to the idea that that as far as the police in certain quarters are concerned, any life but their own is cheap.
These rogue police are pissing on the good police, but it is also time for the good police to no longer close ranks.
It is also pretty clear that this is not just a black and white thing, there is enough material out there to make a dozen blockbuster movies featuring all kinds of people getting blattered..only it's not movies, it's the real thing.
It's only people who can put a stop to all this, time for ordinary people to have one voice.

a reply to: butcherguy


police models and civilian models use a different cartridges civilian model is only 15' LE can get up to 35, also pulse time is different. they also make a two shot and 3 shot versions for LE.

here is a link at police one.

The TASER X26C was modeled after the law enforcement TASER X26, and utilizes the same proven technology. One trigger pull of the X26C initiates a 10-second cycle, while the LE model runs for 5 seconds. Moreover, the trigger on the X26C can be pulled several times to create a 30-second cycle. The user can then deploy the X26C, quickly squeeze the trigger 2 additional times to create a 30-second cycle (3 pulls x 10 seconds = 30 seconds), place the X26C on the ground, and depart the scene - while the X26C safely disables the assailant. The law enforcement version cannot be triggered multiple times to create back-to-back cycles. Cycle times on both models may be interrupted by placing the safey lever in the "safe" position. Per second, the LE X26 delivers 19 pulses of electricity into the target. Since the X26C is capable of delivering a much longer cycle, these pulses range from 19 per second for the first 5 seconds, then drop down to 10 for any remaining time. In addition, civilians may only purchase air cartridges with a 15-foot range, while law enforcement officers have access to cartridges with ranges up to 35'. Finally, the X26 LE model records time and date for each deployment. This feature helps protect law enforcement agencies from claims of excessive use-of-force, and also provides management a powerful tool to track usage patterns and prevent misuse. The firing data on the X26C is not recorded, and cannot be downloaded.
Difference Between Citizen and LE TASER X26

ETA: here is a spec sheets for a X26LE, it's opens a PDF. and it does use 35' cartridge.
PDF] TASER ® X26E SERIES ELECTRONIC CONTROL …