This is the issue I have with the suposed religious people.

a reply to: Onslaught2996


Just for the record, Jesus was born in a barn or whatever because the place was packed, all the hotels and whatever were sold out. They did have a home but were on the road traveling at the time.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

One pretty relevent scripture that sums it all up:

For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
-Matthew 24:5

Jesus was a smart man. He knew people would try and corrupt his word and he called them out 2000 years ago.


This selfish "Christians" dont speak for us all.

a reply to: Onslaught2996





Says it all really!

IMHO all organised religions are simply control constructs designed to keep in place the status quo and retard free thinking individuals.

originally posted by: Onslaught2996
a reply to: Metallicus

Are you dense?

It is a discriminatory law..allowing people to treat gay people as less than a regular member of society.

They are denying them the right to enjoy life without judgement.

How would you feel if you went to any business and was denied because of who you are?

You know technically if you have to do business out of your shop, then you should be free to discriminate about where you are taking yourself and your employees. Catering food takes the business out of the shop to a place you many not care to frequent.

Pizza shops that deliver still reserve the right to deliver or not to any given area for a number of reasons as well as leaving certain decisions up to the delivery person.

I took pizza to a porn shop once because no one else would. However they couldn't make us deliver there. But they could pick it up.

Same with high crime areas. Pizza shops can adapt policies for deliveries in these areas. In some cases if you lived there you may have to pick up.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

Just to clarify, you have a problem with people who claim they're religious but do the opposite of their religion's teachings, right? If so, I agree completely.

I may not be a Christian, but I have a lot of respect for the Prophet Jesus & many Christians throughout time. The woman who helped me stop being a knucklehead & become a man was a Christian. And I've realized there a lot of Christians who follow their teachings and constantly strive to do positive things. I even believe that I could live & be happy in an actual Christian country, (as long as they didn't force me to convert - that ain't happening :p

However, America isn't a Christian country and it never was. There have been Christians here since the Age of Exploration, but our laws & culture have never been Christ-like. The country was founded through mass land theft, mass rape, and multiple genocides. And today our country has gambling, intoxication, perpetual war, and prostitution (all porn stars are prostitutes & any actors/actresses having intercourse on screen are too). Lying is so common that there are self-help books which teach you how to "fake it til you make it". Most people don't even know the 7 Sins, much less the 7 Virtues which are supposed to overcome them.

And there are far more things in the Bible that aren't implemented here. We're supposed to pay workers at the end of every day Deuteronomy 24:15. Tattoos are forbidden Leviticus 19:28, as is non-fish seafood Leviticus 11:12. And pork is too! Leviticus 11:7. There are other things like "not shaving your face" and "stoning to death both the adulterer & the person they cheated with", but I don't remember where they are.

I agree though. Believers need to speak out as much as possible because our religions are constantly getting highjacked by people who just want to "profit" from them (pun intended! ... wait, everyone gets it right? Prophet/profit hurr hurr hurr... oh nevermind...)

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Just to clarify, you have a problem with people who claim they're religious but do the opposite of their religion's teachings, right? If so, I agree completely.

What we have here really is one groups interpretation of Christianity vs another's. We have gays and their supporters preaching to christians, interpreting christianity and then demanding others act accordingly. Folks preaching/interoperating that clearly are biased themselves and certainly don't care about christian theology other than making Jesus some sort of poster boy for tolerance of their lifestyle.

a reply to: khnum

Well according to Daniel 9:26 in our Bible the Anti Christ will either rise out of the old Roman Empire or his lineage will be that from the area of the old Roman Empire. The implication being he will come from Europe, then again America is indeed rather synonymous with the Roman Empire of old given her system of government, never mind the layout of Washington DC.

while i respect everybody's right to believe in, and live according to, their religious belief(s), my support ends when said belief(s) are forced upon others. you got your god(s), they got theirs, i got mine. vive le difference etc.

i subscribe to no religion whatsoever myself.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Onslaught2996

The Bible is a compilation of 66 works, written over thousands of years. It includes poetry, prose, history, commentary, law, songs, wisdom, prophecy and theology (amongst other topics).

And is comprised of selected texts, chosen by a board, picking out the bits to go in it and throwing out everything they "didn't like". After this was done, parts were rewritten, facts changed and even entire locations and settings adjusted to excuse numerous inaccuracies and inconsistent claims within it.

Still, numerous inconsistencies remained for hundreds of years, including supposed "relics" recognized around the world as being genuine - several existing at once all purporting to be the same one thing.

If Christians actually studied their religion, rather than allow selected bits of it to be preached at them, maybe they would discover early on that it's a fantasy?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: khnum

Well according to Daniel 9:26 in our Bible the Anti Christ will either rise out of the old Roman Empire or his lineage will be that from the area of the old Roman Empire.

Interesting to note that the Roman Empire basically re-branded itself as the Vatican. It never fell, it shrank down into a religious belief system and built a church.

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Just to clarify, you have a problem with people who claim they're religious but do the opposite of their religion's teachings, right? If so, I agree completely.

What we have here really is one groups interpretation of Christianity vs another's. We have gays and their supporters preaching to christians, interpreting christianity and then demanding others act accordingly. Folks preaching/interoperating that clearly are biased themselves and certainly don't care about christian theology other than making Jesus some sort of poster boy for tolerance of their lifestyle.

Uhh did you see the quotes from the Prophet Jesus in the OP? Did you see my examples of what the Christian Bible actually says? How is something "Christian" if it goes against the teachings of Christianity's prophets & against the Christian Bible?

"Thou shall not kill". Genocide is against that, right?
"Thou shall not steal". Stealing entire continents from people who already lived there is against that, right?
"Don't eat A, B, and C". Eating A. B, and C is against that right?

It seems to me that people want the label but don't want what comes with the label. Like calling yourself "vegetarian" but still eating meat.

originally posted by: Xtrozero...so explain to me that this is not what the voters wanted...

As if voters are the ones who actually influence elected politicians once the election is over. Mmmhmm.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I imagine more people have been killed throughout recorded history in the name of God, however he/she/it may be called, than any other reason or situation. Organised Religion and the hypocrisy it represents could quite possibly be considered to be diabolical by its very nature.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I imagine more people have been killed throughout recorded history in the name of God, however he/she/it may be called, than any other reason or situation. Organised Religion and the hypocrisy it represents could quite possibly be considered to be diabolical by its very nature.

I would disagree. People may use religion as a justification or excuse, but it usually has nothing to do with religion or God. The Mafia consider themselves good Catholics, so would you say they commit their crimes in the name of God? Though Pope Francis did excommunicate them last year. And the KKK considered themselves Christians, so does that mean God was the cause of their views & activities? You know, like when they bombed African American churches?

And don't forget how the Bush Administration sold the War on Terror & War in Iraq as a Crusade (1:00 onwards on 1st vid):




So does that mean God was the reason we invaded & occupied Iraq? Or was it more likely over money, oil, regional dominance, etc?

And I'm sure you don't think WWI & WWII and their 70-90+ million dead were over God? Or the Napoleonic Wars? Or the wars the Europeans fought during colonialism or imperialism? Or the countless regional wars fought during the Cold War, like in Angola, Ethiopia, Sudan, Vietnam, Cambodia, the Koreas, etc. Or the Opium Wars in China, or Stalin & Lenin's purges, or Mao's purges, etc. It's almost always about money & power, greed & brutality. Not religion or "in the name of God".

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And don't forget how the Bush Administration sold the War on Terror & War in Iraq as a Crusade (1:00 onwards on 1st vid):

If Bush had said "we are going to wipe out the unbelievers and heretics with overwhelming force in the almighty name of Allah.

What would the countries reaction have been? We were fine when we said it was for God.

Remember that time Bush said God spoke to him and told him to conquer Iraq? I bet the higher up's of ISIS say the same thing today.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

Mike Pence ain't Jesus and the government is not God. Pence is not supposed to use the government to do God's work. That is something we as individuals are to take it upon ourselves to do.

Not only that but it's so convenient how some people actually claim to want religion mixed up in governance but only when it supports their agenda and is done their way -- i.e. massive social programs and such. But if the same politician were to claim to governing in God's name ... you would likewise be the first people screaming theocrats with the tar and feathers.

In other words, you are nothing but the Pharisees with the woman whom they were going to stone trying to entrap Jesus in a legalism so they could catch him too. The first ambush gotcha! interview if you will.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I will simply say this on the subject there has not really been a war fought in recorded history that did not have some form of religious implications. Obviously resources and commodity's play there part regarding conflict, also numerous other factors, but religion rears it ugly head in some form or another sure as night turns to day.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

As if voters are the ones who actually influence elected politicians once the election is over. Mmmhmm.

I can accept that for the first time, but reelection over and over kind of leans towards the voters do not care outside of name recognition.

Meh, I think very few people really understand religion. The more you try to live up to a local religious ideal, or conversely the more you oppose religion the less you understand it.

/shrug

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a reply to: Xtrozero

True. Term limits are critical if we're to crawl out of this pit of corruption and oligarchy.