You may already be a felon and not even know it....yet!

For Second Amendment watchers:

Did we actually think under this regime that our comments and opinions would matter at all? The comment period closing March 16th was bogus. Check it out:

Green Tip Ammunition ALREADY Banned in New ATF Regulation Guide

The Office of Management and Budget must review and approve ATF Regulation Guides, which again, come out approximately every 10 years. This can take months and changes to Regulation Guides are not easily or often made. Because of the lengthy amount of time it takes for OMB to approve a new ATF Regulation Guide, ATF's comment period is just for show.

ATF officials and the White House have (and never did) no interest in actually listening to or considering comments that are currently being submitted. The exemption for the ammunition in question has already been stripped out of the regulation handbook moving forward and "green-tip" has been reclassified as "armor piercing."

The rules have been changed. Further, because of local rules and regulations in different states across the country having their own "armor piercing" standards based on ATF regulations, thousands of people in possession of AR-15 green tip ammunition have essentially been turned into felons overnight.

i may still have some, but i don't think i do. I bought some "zombie rounds" once. They were green tipped.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

They never intended to pay attention to the comments and objections by The People from the get-go!

From the above article:

ATF changed the law unilaterally, didn't tell anyone about it and has now put up a bogus comment period that means nothing. Because of these actions, ATF and the White House have not only failed to follow the Administrative Procedure Act, but has gone around Congress to violate the Second Amendment rights of Americans.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Wait what zombie rounds? what do they do? lol.
Apart from the obvious in killing zombies.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Even if you do not have green tips, whats to stop the ATF from banning all common rifle ammo. Pretty much all common centerfire rifle ammo can penetrate level II armors used by police. I would say if they can ban "green tip" because it can penetrate police armor, they can ban almost all rifle ammunition at any later date.

a reply to: queenofswords

You have your infractions, your misdomeanors and your felonies.
Followed by the unconstitutional.



In America, trust me means ##### you!

I just love how they screw gun owners, all the while being protected by people with GUNS. How idiotic is this? Does that seem hypocritical to anyone else?

a reply to: Skid Mark

It isn't hypocritical for a dictator. IMO.

a reply to: joemoe

the stuff my uncle reloads on his own in his shop doesn't have a green tip. But it sure can pierce armor. He was almost killed by a bear in some really thick brush once. So he decided to get a bigger rifle, and make better reloads. I don't know what he uses, but the kick from those rounds is significantly higher than what you find off the shelf in the 180-190 gr range.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Zombie rounds=awesome marketing.

originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Zombie rounds=awesome marketing.

Report: DHS Spent Money on Zombie Simulation

It just goes to show that marketing appears to have a direct effect on official policy (which is normally ridiculous anyway). I am waiting for the Ad Council to release a nationwide zombie preparedness campaign with public funds.

I think it's silly for them to worry about .223 when 12 gauge slugs are perfectly legal.
If you get hit with a solid ounce of lead at 1800 fps, it's not going to matter what kind of armor you're wearing.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The fact is, most good rifle ammo, say a .45 70, .30 30 the list is SUPER long can go through most body armor, heck they can go through both sides of a car (I know hehe). This is as all have stated a way to take away AR-15s from the public , nothing more.

Any marksman worth his nutz only needs one shot anyway, but the sad part is the .556 and the .223 are fantastic hunting rounds. My friend took a Wild Boar in Southern Ohio with a .223, which surprised the hell out of me...not sure of the range, but either way...impressive...course that kind of ammunition was illegal( for hunting) until recently in Ohio...hmmm it may still be, 30 30 is legal now though...TOOT one of my favorite rounds.

The point is---this was done under the radar all the while telling us that we have till March 16 to present comments when they had already put the ban in the new Regulation Guide. The comment period was bogus!

If they can do it with this ammo, they can virtually do it with anything! Bam!! "We say we're going to make it illegal, regardless of The People's comments and objections, it's illegal...period!"

Nudge....nudge...nudge. Then one day your gun is nothing but a bat. Mission accomplished.

originally posted by: joemoe
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Even if you do not have green tips, whats to stop the ATF from banning all common rifle ammo. Pretty much all common centerfire rifle ammo can penetrate level II armors used by police. I would say if they can ban "green tip" because it can penetrate police armor, they can ban almost all rifle ammunition at any later date.

You are exactly right. This latest ban is just a nudge. What is the next one going to be? What trumped up event is going to make us fall for the next nudge?!

We are being played like a fiddle by this administration and his so-called "intellectual" manipulation.

Barack Obama - Cass Sunstein - and Chicago

Mind games played upon The People to achieve an agenda.

No, we're not felons. Any definition of criminal behavior given by evil pscyhopathic criminals is null and void at conception. Their laws are not legal, they don't exist, they are crimes. I am one of the arrest team waiting for us all to draw our last breaths. Then they're really going to like me. And otherwise theyir terms for what warrents a criminal interest me as much as a listening to a garden variety psycho killer's opinions.

a reply to: queenofswords

I agree with your sentiment, dont get me wrong. People who want to control unquestionably want you to beat your swords into plow shares....all done of course under the auspices of warm and fuzzy, unrealistic killing is wrong verbiage.

a reply to: queenofswords

So here is a story that will get some of your blood boiling im sure.

My ex-fiancé and I broke up. we separated for a short time and I told her I was going to talk to other women if she wanted to act all crazy.

me being a quasi adult I told her I went on a few dates and what not. she was not a happy camper but all seemed well things were going well. I always had my suspicions she was getting some on the side. I had to use the restroom I was using her iPad and stumbled upon my proof.

well I called her out and let ALL of our friends know she was a trifling whore....nooo im not bitter

fast forward a week and THREE sheriffs and a plain clothes detective show up at my house with SWAT standing by down the street. She told them I had a few (legal) long rifles and hand guns and told them she didn't feel safe knowing I had them, basically knowing I love to shoot and this would be awesome pay back.

I live in NYS and they not only took all my long guns but are keeping one of the MP-15's due to the fact I 'forgot' to register it with the safe act.

the sheriff is taking pity on me and letting me sell it out of state.

strangely they left the BOXES of XM855 behind

a reply to: penroc3


Get you a good lawyer! It will cost you, but do it anyway.

a reply to: penroc3

good luck, keep excessive talk to a minimum mate