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This is just insane to me! I just can't understand how anything considered a benevolent god could operate that way....
originally posted by: ElohimJD
a reply to: Entreri06
Faith is belief in God as Creator and Lawgiver.
Without Faith you cannot determine what good (agreement with God) and evil (disagreement with God) is.
Therefore you create your own personal definition of "good" and "evil" according to what seems right to the individual; rather than what God says.
originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: Entreri06
Religious programming is more important than free will.
originally posted by: Entreri06
How could that be the pinnacle of the your time here on earth? Commit genocide, rape, murder, child molestation and as long as you repent your cool..... But don't believe Jesus was actually a Demi god and you deserve to burn.
Nuts!
originally posted by: ElohimJD
a reply to: Entreri06
Faith is belief in God as Creator and Lawgiver.
Without Faith you cannot determine what good (agreement with God) and evil (disagreement with God) is.
originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: ElohimJD
I'm a giving and kind person and there isn't a lick of faith in me. To require a belief in any deity for people to be respectful and helpful is a pretty grim outlook and imho, pathetic. I don't need an invisible man in the clouds watching me to act like a nice human being...but apparently religious people do. Welp, just another group of individuals unable to accept that they control their own lives...
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
originally posted by: ElohimJD
a reply to: Entreri06
Faith is belief in God as Creator and Lawgiver.
Without Faith you cannot determine what good (agreement with God) and evil (disagreement with God) is.
I take offense to that. As a well-intentioned Atheist, I know quite well the difference between good and evil. I also know VERY well, and it has been demonstrated QUITE recently that faith can actually CLOUD that distinction between good and evil. To the point that slaughtering a group of innocent cartoonists is considered "good" by some people.
So, if your definition of "good", is anything your god decrees (including murdering gays, "witches", people who work on Sunday, etc), then I'm quite happy to be "evil" in your eyes.
At least I'm not murdering cartoonists, bombing abortion clinics, protesting soldier's funerals, or molesting little children.
If that makes me evil, I accept that with the widest grin I can manage.
So am I good, or am I evil? It's a very simple question.
originally posted by: ElohimJD
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
originally posted by: ElohimJD
a reply to: Entreri06
Faith is belief in God as Creator and Lawgiver.
Without Faith you cannot determine what good (agreement with God) and evil (disagreement with God) is.
I take offense to that. As a well-intentioned Atheist, I know quite well the difference between good and evil. I also know VERY well, and it has been demonstrated QUITE recently that faith can actually CLOUD that distinction between good and evil. To the point that slaughtering a group of innocent cartoonists is considered "good" by some people.
So, if your definition of "good", is anything your god decrees (including murdering gays, "witches", people who work on Sunday, etc), then I'm quite happy to be "evil" in your eyes.
At least I'm not murdering cartoonists, bombing abortion clinics, protesting soldier's funerals, or molesting little children.
If that makes me evil, I accept that with the widest grin I can manage.
This post is a wonderful example of the natural mind. This is human nature and all mankind will feel this way without God intervening. There is nothing wrong with being natural at this time, it is the purpose for the present age; for each human being to determine for themselves what is right and what is wrong.
God has designed other ages for the contrast to be established. This is not that time.
You take offense, because of pride in your own human reasoning, you are right in your own eyes (by design). To agree with God is to be humble.
God Bless,