Poroshenko in letter : Antonov AN-26 shot down by Air-to-Air missile just before MH17

Poroshenko in letter : Antonov AN-26 shot down by Air-to-Air missile just before MH17

So that means dog fights were taking place in the skies over Eastern Ukraine and the Antonov AN-26 wasn`t shot down by a Separatist BUK as has being said the whole time. It also makes it less likely MH17 was shot down by a BUK and it could have been shot down by an Air-to-Air missile.

That also backs up the Ukrainian eyewitness its story.

President awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine Oleksandr Petrakivskomu military and posthumously - Sergei and Dmitry Krivonosov Mayborody

Dmitry Mayboroda as commander of the crew of the AN-26 from May to July 2014 completed 35 sorties to transport military weapons, material and technical facilities in the area ATO, carried out the evacuation of the wounded and sick. Major Majboroda died July 14 in Krasnodon district, Luhansk region, when his plane was hit by a missile "air-to-air". He tried to control the last aircraft, allowing other members of the crew to evacuate.

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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Poroshenko in letter : Antonov AN-26 shot down by Air-to-Air missile just before MH17

Quick question...how does one know what happened a month and 2 days before the incident happened.

Your article is dated June 12, 2014, and the AN 26 was shot down on July 14, 2014. And the other man was killed in August of 2014...well after the article was written.

You really should have checked the dates before thinking this is proof of something.

Unless Poroshenko is a time traveler and went into the future, he couldn't have done this before they died.

Also go back in the archives of the news from your source and you cannot find the article you used as your source...which btw would have been in there had it been done on the date it says it happened.


And just so you know the word posthumously means after death, yet the article was written before they died...how does that work exactly?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

It`s from 6 December 2014.

In Europe we write the day before the month.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Are you going to commit to this? If what the President of Ukraine says is true, he awarded a medal to a Ukrainian pilot who was shot down by an air-to-air missile two days before the MH-17 incident. The Separatists have no air power, which means that it must have been shot down by a Russian fighter! If the Russians are giving air support to the Separatists, it is unquestionably an armed invasion of Ukrainian air space. More importantly, if Russian fighter are downing aircraft in Ukrainian air space, it opens up the possibility that it was a Russian fighter that shot down MH-17!

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

It`s from 6 December 2014.

If it is it still doesn't show proof that it was shot down by air to air missile as this was supposedly brought down from a surface to air missile...the SU 25 was a plane that was claimed to be shot down with an air to air missile.

I want to ask you about this also...

So that means dog fights were taking place in the skies over Eastern Ukraine and the Antonov AN-26 wasn`t shot down by a Separatist BUK as has being said the whole time.

So what dog fighting are you talking about there were no dogfights being conducted, because that would mean Russia was responsible for the downing, as the separatists do not have planes so you just admitted Russia was and has always been involved in the war that they say they aren't involved in.

About time you admitted to what you kept denying the whole time. Good Job.

a reply to: DJW001

You know what really is amazing is the fact that he will believe the President about an air to air missile bringing down the AN 26, but calls BS when the same person says a BUK missile was what brought down MH 17.

I guess that is just selective reasoning that has been used here.

a reply to: DJW001

It opens up that possibility, however the actions from the Ukrainians point towards a cover up by them.

Ukrainians first claiming for almost 6 months they had 100% proof it was the a BUK from Separatist who was responsible and they had radar images to back it up. Only contradicted by the head investigators as there not being such a thing as radar images which proved that. Victoria Nuland has said the US has handed over all the evidence to the investigation team including the classified stuff before the statements by the head investigators.

The Security Service of Ukraine also now confirming it might well be a Air-to-Air missile while they for 6 months have said they had 100% proof it was the Separatist with a BUK. SBU has contact with the Dutch investigators, know what evidence there is and are working with them on the investigations.

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The Russians asking after a few days for answers which haven`t still been answered by the Ukrainians.

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And we have an eyewitness who says that not only the pilot said he shot down the wrong plane, but also mentions there were flights the 17th July from Ukrainian fighter jets.

Ukraine pilot reveals Kiev plane shot down MH-17 – full transcript

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18.07.14 16:26 Russian Fighter Jet Fired a Missile at Ukrainian SU-25. RADIO INTERCEPT

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So it doesn`t look like the party who has been pushing for a good investigation the whole time is responsible.

As far as I'm aware the puppet Ukraine government allbeit an extension of the US government use the same dating system as the rest of the world day/month/ year a very shoddy a temp to debunk this one on your behalf it matters not if the Russians where lending air support to help stop the genicide of the donbass region if the Nazis in Kiev did not shoot down the plane then the USA would provide satellite images to prove so all the evidence is mounting and the truth is only around the corner and it is genicide if the USA/Ukraine stopped shelling and attacking there would be no blood shed

a reply to: DJW001

The Separatists have no air power, which means that it must have been shot down by a Russian fighter

Maybe something from NATO shot it down thinking it was Russian or it was a mistake by a trigger happy Ukraine pilot.

Russia has the best misiles in the world and would use them to shoot anything down in the area if they wanted too

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Ukrainians first claiming for almost 6 months they had 100% proof it was the a BUK from Separatist who was responsible and they had radar images to back it up. Only contradicted by the head investigators as there not being such a thing as radar images which proved that. Victoria Nuland has said the US has handed over all the evidence to the investigation team including the classified stuff before the statements by the head investigators.

Wrong. The Ukrainians never said anything about "radar images." They only claimed to have photographs of the BUK missiles in the possession of the rebels. Victoria Nuland never said the US has turned over classified evidence to the investigation team; that's why you can't link to a source for either of these claims.

The Security Service of Ukraine also now confirming it might well be a Air-to-Air missile while they for 6 months have said they had 100% proof it was the Separatist with a BUK. SBU has contact with the Dutch investigators, know what evidence there is and are working with them on the investigations.

Your link is to a Russian propaganda site that has twisted what was said. Saying that other explanations might be possible is not "confirming" anything. Again, you keep using the 100% figure as though it is a quotation, when in fact, it is only Russian propagandists who try to make it look as though Ukraine is claiming to have iron clad proof. In fact, the claim is that the rebels have BUK missiles and may have shot MH-17 down by accident. The rebels themselves acknowledge they have such missiles, so that theory remains the most likely explanation.

The Russians asking after a few days for answers which haven`t still been answered by the Ukrainians.

Not sure what this is in reference to.

And we have an eyewitness who says that not only the pilot said he shot down the wrong plane, but also mentions there were flights the 17th July from Ukrainian fighter jets.

Ukraine pilot reveals Kiev plane shot down MH-17 – full transcript

Even if you believe this story, and the legitimate Russian press services do not*, the "witness" does not claim to have actually seen the plane shot down! He claims that he saw three aircraft take off, but only one return. He then claims to overhear a pilot say that a plane was "in the wrong place at the wrong time." Really? Which plane? Perhaps the pilot was referring to one of the other two planes which disappeared without a trace.

18.07.14 16:26 Russian Fighter Jet Fired a Missile at Ukrainian SU-25. RADIO INTERCEPT

Are you sure you want to admit that the Russian military is actively engaging Ukraine? That's an invasion, you know.

So it doesn`t look like the party who has been pushing for a good investigation the whole time is responsible.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Russia has launched its own investigation, even though it claims not to be involved. Strange, don't you think?

* ITAR-TASS and RAI-Novosti (now "Sputnik.com") are careful to attribute it to Pravda, it being understood that Pravda has no credibility.

originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: DJW001

The Separatists have no air power, which means that it must have been shot down by a Russian fighter

Maybe something from NATO shot it down thinking it was Russian or it was a mistake by a trigger happy Ukraine pilot.

Russia has the best misiles in the world and would use them to shoot anything down in the area if they wanted too

Or maybe it was Space Aliens....

a reply to: DJW001

Wrong. The Ukrainians never said anything about "radar images."

Right, Poroshenko on tape claiming it himself, so no denying that.

At 3.51 min :

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a reply to: RyleeNator

As far as I'm aware the puppet Ukraine government

The one that was democratically elected and considered the legit government by the Russians?

year a very shoddy a temp to debunk this one on your behalf it matters not if the Russians where lending air support to help stop the genicide

I admit I misread the date that doesn't change the fact that if Russia had anything to do with shooting down a Ukranian plane in Ukraine it is an act of war...one btw they deny being part of.

Remember they aren't involved in this conflict, but yet they have planes shooting down Ukraine planes in Ukraine...who is lying about there involvement and if they are doing that what else are they lying about?

And do you really want to get into genocide when discussing Russia and Ukraine?

www.historyplace.com...

Do you even know the definition of genocide?

genocide
[jen-uh-sahyd] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

dictionary.reference.com...

Please show where this has happened?

Seems the pro Russians love to bring that word out but seemingly have no proof of it actually happening, such as what you have done.

if the Nazis in Kiev did not shoot down the plane then the USA would provide satellite images to prove so all the evidence is mounting and the truth is only around the corner and it is genicide if the USA/Ukraine stopped shelling and attacking there would be no blood shed

You mean like what Russia did here...

www.mirror.co.uk...

Which btw was a fake.

Also is the investigation over into the downing of MH 17...no so you will not see all evidence that is being collected.

Also know if the separatists were not using human shields the civilkian casualties would be lower, but of course it's okay that they use schools, and civilian apartment buildings as hiding places to shoot at government troops.

www.themoscowtimes.com...

www.itv.com...

Care to provide evidence that the US is involved in any fighting on the ground in Ukraine, because I guarantee you cannot.

a reply to: DJW001

Or maybe it was Space Aliens....

Well yes and this will explain all the WMD that vanised in Iraq and what brought the towers down plus thoses tanks used to attack the Ukraine during one of these invasions where the tanks vanish once blown up by Kiev.

its strange but when i rang ET to tell him to stop it the telephone number was traced back to Washington

Wrong. The Ukrainians never said anything about "radar images." They only claimed to have photographs of the BUK missiles in the possession of the rebels.

Again these Aliens can hide the jet stream these BUK misiles create and hang around for five minutes else someone with a phone would had taken pictures of these smoke streams leading up for the gound and hitting flight MH17

I tell you, its ET

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Right, Poroshenko on tape claiming it himself, so no denying that.

Sattelite image what he said not radar image there is a difference.

a reply to: VirusGuard

Again these Aliens can hide the jet stream these BUK misiles create and hang around for five minutes else someone with a phone would had taken pictures of these smoke streams leading up for the gound and hitting flight MH17

Why not if a Ukranian SU 25 can fly well above it's service ceiling by 10000 ft and shoot down a commercial airliner at 33000ft without tracking radar and the armament to do so why can't the aliens be just as plausible.

a reply to: DJW001

Victoria Nuland never said the US has turned over classified evidence to the investigation team; that's why you can't link to a source for either of these claims.

Of course I can also proof about Victoria Nuland...

Use Google Translate yourself.

All Data now in the Possession of The Netherlands

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

All Data now in the Possession of The Netherlands

Why not just use the report itself instead of using news articles?

www.onderzoeksraad.nl...

It tells you everything that you need to know.


And the only thing that mentions Nuland is from John Kerry two days after the incident, your source doesn't say anything about Nuland giving anyone info on the incident.

Of course I can also proof about Victoria Nuland..

More Information The Minister urges Netherlands and the ICAO more information on request from Russia. ,, Because very crazy theories come from the Russian propaganda machine. "" Ten days ago, chairman Tjibbe Joustra the Safety Board that the Board still images fog. ,, Those images we want to do. " Without land to mention by name, he then stated:. ,, If you want the images, they need to be made ​​available by the countries there is sometimes some hesitation at. " Antiaircraft Missile Under Nuland are the words of Secretary of State, John Kerry, a few days after the disaster, the best information be made ​​public by the US. The minister said that Washington has data concerning the path of a BUK-air missile that was fired from rebel territory in eastern Ukraine. With that missile would have brought down the Boeing 777, which 298 people died.

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Not from your source it doesn't.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Why not just use the report itself instead of using news articles?

Because the V. Nuland remarks had nothing to do with the preliminary report from late Augustus.

You`re way off with your debunking efforts today.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Because the V. Nuland remarks had nothing to do with the preliminary report from late Augustus.

And your source doesn't back your claim either.

You`re way off with your debunking efforts today.

And so is your so called evidence.