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originally posted by: borntowatch
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Fair enough... Lets not forget "give onto Caesar what is Caesar's"...
Though I would still say any church that demands money is fraudulent...
10% might be biblical... but even there it is not demanded
Jesus asked what image was on the coin, it was Caesers image, render to Ceaser what is Ceasres.
We are made in Gods image, God wants us, our hearts, not our money. Jesus was not talking about money, he was talking about people
But then you dont believe we were created in Gods image so it goes begging
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Passage please?
For future reference...
There are so many, this is just a few, there are many.
Gen 14:20
And praise be to God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.” Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
2Co 9:7
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Mar 12:41
Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts.
Mar 12:42
But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
Mar 12:43
Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others.
Mar 12:44
They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
Setting aside, for a moment, the fact that these quotes are from a storybook, none of them say to give money to a church. The Mark quotes simply point out that someone gave a lot, not that it was commanded by God.
It's nice you think it's a storybook, your belief has nothing at all to do with the OP. The Mark quotes are specifically giving to the temple and Jesus praised her for it. 2 Cor 9:7 is them giving to the Church as well.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: proteus33
i live in the south and most of the churches and most of the people i know all tell me that god expects me to gibe him ten percent of my paycheck after taxes as a tithe. i know that tithing or taxes was done in the early bible because one of the communities abraham ruled had lost their crops at least i think it was abrham and he not god ordered a ten percent taxe be established where the other communities could help out that neighbor. and only levitire s could xould collect it . i thought all of that whent ou with the new testament and jesus kicking the tac collectors out of his fathers house. where i live some churches even demamd to see your w2s every year to make sure you are paying your share?
and tes i know my grammar sucks sorry
Isn't the real question why anyone would be stupid enough to believe it?
Because it's the truth. I can verify this is common practice at least in my area. Why I don't belong to a church.
originally posted by: Akragon
originally posted by: borntowatch
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Fair enough... Lets not forget "give onto Caesar what is Caesar's"...
Though I would still say any church that demands money is fraudulent...
10% might be biblical... but even there it is not demanded
Jesus asked what image was on the coin, it was Caesers image, render to Ceaser what is Ceasres.
We are made in Gods image, God wants us, our hearts, not our money. Jesus was not talking about money, he was talking about people
But then you dont believe we were created in Gods image so it goes begging
HE wasn't talking about people...
He was talking about the soul of a person... All of which belong to him, because we all return to him..
IF he was talking about people... he wouldn't have used the analogy for the Pharisees that they are children of the devil...
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: LittleByLittle
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When it comes down to it, every single person will believe in the end... It will be 100% undeniable