Ferguson Corruption PROOF

the distance of brown to wilson is irrelevant here. the distance brown traveled under fire is too.

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brown traveled a total of appox 25 ft after turning towards wilson

6 sec. of shots were recorded on film

wilson stated he said the words "get on the ground" multiple times est. 3sec. at least

wilson stated brown never stopped coming at him

wilson stated brown was charging in a threatening manner that warranted shooting brown

that equals to est. of 9 seconds of travel at least by brown covering 25'

the average person walks about 3 to 4 ft per sec. multiple that by the 9 sec. and you get 36' of travel by an average person when walking. if brown was doing anything other than walking toward wilson then the distance he could have covered would be greater than 36'

This shows clearly that something was false and this proves that the witnesses statments that brown was on his knees would fit the time frame that we have now established for browns last steps.

This all comes from Officer Wilsons statments and others to the grand jury.

abcnews.go.com... w-ferguson-mo-officer-darren-wilson-27190183

ats member greven We have this member to thank for the time frame aspect here.

www.nytimes.com... us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html?_r=0


HANDS UP DON"T SHOOT

a reply to: deadeyedick

Nice try, i don't think this proves anything. Way too many approximations in this equation

And, if we had body cameras we wouldn't have to guess.

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I am not really understanding your point.

Could you tell me in terms I might understand ?

a reply to: whyamIhere

when brown turned toward wilson he was leaving a blood trail that covered a distance of 25'

wilson stated that brown was charging in a threatening manner and never stopped until the kill shot.

a video recorded the shots they took over 6 sec for 10 rnds of fire.

wilson stated that while brown was charging him wilson said get on the ground multiple times. i estimate that to be another 3 sec. at least to say that.

add the 3 seconds of commands to the recorded timing of the shots

you get 9 seconds of time that wilson claims brown was moving toward him in a fast threatening manner.

humans walk average 4 feet per second.

if brown was walking towards wilson then he could have covered 9sec. times the 4 feet per second average = at least 36 feet

now if brown was traveling faster than an average walk then he could have covered an even greater distance than 36'

but somehow he only traveled 25 ft in 9 sec


we can assume a threatening charge that warrented shooting one could cover much more ground than he did

something is out of place

if we figure in the 25' we know he traveled and accept that he went to his knees then suddenly the time and distance and witness statments of on knees with hands up all match

this is probable cause for a true bill

originally posted by: whyamIhere
And, if we had body cameras we wouldn't have to guess.

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I am not really understanding your point.

Could you tell me in terms I might understand ?

Oh, how I would love to see departments mandating body camera use on all patrol officers. From the few reports I've seen on departments experimenting with it so far, we've seen, what...88% reductions in department complaints, and significant decreases in use-of-force incidents as well?

Just with the fact that officers could readily be exhonerated of wrongdoing and social unease could likely be very easily soothed by such ready evidence, I don't see why this isn't THE THING departments are wanting to do right now.

a reply to: deadeyedick

now if brown was traveling faster than an average walk then he could have covered an even greater distance than 36'

What if he was traveling slower than an average walk for part of the time?

Not sure how this is proof of corruption. At best it shows that Wilson's memory of the events may not be perfect. It certainly doesn't show that he did not feel threatened by Brown.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Maybe because he's getting shot? People don't casually stroll along at a steady pace of 4ft/sec when they've been shot multiple times.

Regardless, the idiot cop is at fault. Brown was moving away from him after he had slapped him, brain diseased pig decides its high time to shoot his gun and reclaim his manhood, brown turns around and starts coming towards him.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: deadeyedick

now if brown was traveling faster than an average walk then he could have covered an even greater distance than 36'

What if he was traveling slower than an average walk for part of the time?



Not sure how this is proof of corruption. At best it shows that Wilson's memory of the events may not be perfect. It certainly doesn't show that he did not feel threatened by Brown.

then the officer was not in as much danger as stated.

are you afraid when a slug is coming toward you? Do you panic and shoot them?

Your assertion is illogical to the facts

what if he was lurching, or staggering or had his swagger on. does the average human swagger at 3-4 feet per second.

a reply to: deadeyedick

then the officer was not in as much danger as stated.

He stated that he felt threatend with bodily harm.

are you afraid when a slug is coming toward you? Do you panic and shoot them?

Brown was a pretty large slug. One who had been told repeatedly to get on the ground by an armed policeman. One who kept approaching said armed policeman. One who continued to advance after said policeman had fired.

If one is surrendering one does not continue to advance upon an armed policeman who has told one to get on the ground. If one continues to advance upon an armed policeman who has told one to get on the ground one is displaying threatening behavior, not submission.

a reply to: Phage

phage please stick to the info in the op please.

the times and distances do not align with wilsons statments but do align with the first statments of witnesses and show that they were possibly forced to change their statments.

a reply to: deadeyedick

phage please stick to the info in the op please.

I am. Wilson said that Brown was running toward him in spite of being told to get on the ground. In spite of being fired upon. Brown may not have been "running" but he could have been advancing at a threatening pace, or even a walk. Wilson fired because he felt threatened.

the times and distances do not align with wilsons statments but do align with the first statments of witnesses and show that they were possibly forced to change their statments.

And his statement aligns with statements from witnesses who did not change their statements. What about the ones that didn't change statements that could be seen as evidence against Wilson? Why weren't they threatened too? You seem to think that the case hinges on some eyewitness reports while others don't matter. You seem to want to second guess the grand jury. You seem to think that you are more capable of reaching a conclusion than they are even though they actually heard the witnesses, they actually saw the evidence. Why do you think that?

a reply to: Phage

Unless that person was shot and might be staggering forward.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Staggering for 25 feet? Staggering before being hit?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: deadeyedick

then the officer was not in as much danger as stated.

He stated that he felt threatend with bodily harm.

are you afraid when a slug is coming toward you? Do you panic and shoot them?

Brown was a pretty large slug. One who had been told repeatedly to get on the ground by an armed policeman. One who kept approaching said armed policeman. One who continued to advance after said policeman had fired.

If one is surrendering one does not continue to advance upon an armed policeman who has told one to get on the ground. If one continues to advance upon an armed policeman who has told one to get on the ground one is displaying threatening behavior, not submission.

Spot on, and add that Brown already was shot in the police vehicle doorway when he struggled for the cops gun. That establishes the intent to be aggressive and not surrender long before he ran off then came back charging. Once he tried to take the cops gun anything other than laying flat on the ground is going to seen as threatening.

a reply to: Phage

Not staggering before getting hit, staggering after.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

And cops would NEVER stretch the truth about the going for gun thing.
Seeing as once is said everyone is on their side, and who are you gonna believe a cop or a dead guy?

a reply to: Phage

if brown was travelling faster than walking then it adds to the distance one would travel in 9 sec. making wilsons statments even further from the truth.

wilson stated that brown never stopped and even led to believe that brown was running.

why can you not understand that 25' in 9 seconds is slower than walking and is not threatening enough to shoot someone coming toward you unarmed because one could have even ate their lunch while waiting on the attacker to arrive.

the times do not add up at all...

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Phage

a reply to: deadeyedick

then the officer was not in as much danger as stated.

He stated that he felt threatend with bodily harm.

are you afraid when a slug is coming toward you? Do you panic and shoot them?

Brown was a pretty large slug. One who had been told repeatedly to get on the ground by an armed policeman. One who kept approaching said armed policeman. One who continued to advance after said policeman had fired.



If one is surrendering one does not continue to advance upon an armed policeman who has told one to get on the ground. If one continues to advance upon an armed policeman who has told one to get on the ground one is displaying threatening behavior, not submission.

Spot on, and add that Brown already was shot in the police vehicle doorway when he struggled for the cops gun. That establishes the intent to be aggressive and not surrender long before he ran off then came back charging. Once he tried to take the cops gun anything other than laying flat on the ground is going to seen as threatening.

this thread is not about that. it is about the fact that wilsons statments do not add up. he said brown never stopped and was charging him.

can you see how an agressive person charging someone would cover more than 25' if he had at the least 9 seconds to do it in givin that the average human walking in that amount of time would travel appox. 36' just walking normal.

a reply to: deadeyedick

why can you not understand that 25' in 9 seconds is slower than walking and is not threatening enough to shoot someone coming toward you unarmed

That's your opinion. You weren't there, were you? You aren't Wilson are you?

because one could have even ate their lunch while waiting on the attacker to arrive.

Why wait for an attacker to arrive? That's sort of the purpose of a gun, isn't it?


Don't you understand that if the first steps Brown took toward Wilson were slower than walking means that steps taken after that would have to be faster than walking? Brown was ordered down. He did not get down. He continued to advance.