What is the evidence for evolution?

a reply to: EaglesFan

So you found the video interesting. Thats good. I am not sure what you meant by something more than animals evolving over time. Evolving = mutating and becoming something else. IMO I think the video did a good job laying out it's evidence I am sure there will be tons more soon.

As far as intervention from something being the causality I would like to see the evidence of such.

a reply to: Grimpachi

So would I lol

a reply to: AlephBet

I didn't really follow that. Can you dumb it down for me and summarize it. One of the profound laws of life, is that all things can be simplified, at least in explanation. Stephen Hawking is a master of it. Bill Nye is a master of it. Jesus was a master of it.

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: AlephBet

I didn't really follow that. Can you dumb it down for me and summarize it. One of the profound laws of life, is that all things can be simplified, at least in explanation. Stephen Hawking is a master of it. Bill Nye is a master of it. Jesus was a master of it.

Confucius - "I hear and I forget. I see and I learn. I do and I understand."

Insight is sight inside. Involution is entering the environment to do. Evolution is emerging from the volution, or exiting as a new creation.

Aleph Bet is Father

Aleph Mem (water) is Mother. She is the cup.

Bet (house) Nun (Seed) is bread, or house of seed. Bread is made from seed and Christ is the bread of life.

Father, Mother Son. You are the Son, or Word written with letters (Aleph Bet/DNA).

Word is made from letters. So are proteins. So is light, both particle and wave animated by consciousness (Spirit).

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

---Son is Word. Father is Aleph Bet (Letters). Creation is an image (hologram). We are here to meet the first family. Biology, Natural Science, Physics and Quantum Mechanics is parallel to this story in every way. Each evolve from the involution of the other.

Images are used to see ourselves.

Seek, Find and then Adaptation.

a reply to: AlephBet

ignoring the scripture (which really does nothing to aid this discussion) im a visual person and maybe other people here are too. so I have downloaded a graphic which shows us what involution is all about.



heres a description to go with that visual:

In mathematics, an (anti-)involution, or an involutory function, is a function f that is its own inverse,

but according to the esoteric application...

In Theosophy, Anthroposophy and Rosicrucianism, involution and evolution are part of a complex sequence of cosmic cycles, called Round. When the universe attains a stage of sufficient density, the individual spirit is able to descend and participate in the evolution. Involution thus refers to the incarnation of spirit in an already established matter, the necessary prerequiste of evolution:

not sure which definition fits in this discussion, if either.

Word is made from letters. So are proteins. So is light, both particle and wave animated by consciousness (Spirit).

animated by consciousness but not determined. the available states of reality are not ours to choose, only to realize as evidenced by the cat in the box. although the implications of that have not been fully outlined and so its an investigation in progress. I think you will also find that protons and quarks are not conscious entities but bits of stuff caught in the thrall of the four fundamental forces which, I think, are not conscious either. unless you can prove that these particles and forces are conscious, or the influence of a conscious entity?

originally posted by: darkbake
A lot of times people are not informed enough about something - this is true in my case, too - I am not fully informed about a lot of things. In fact, I think that most of the conversations people have on a day-to-day basis are not fully informed.

This is 100% true for any Creationist who tries to debate against Evolution. I have not met a single person who doubted Evolution who had a full understanding of Evolutionary theory or even science in general. Heck, most of the time not only do they not have a full understanding of Evolutionary theory, they have substituted an incorrect understanding for Evolutionary theory in its place. Then these Creationists enjoy coming into discussions about Evolution (or creating their own) and spout of their ignorance like it's a real debate.

originally posted by: AlephBet

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: AlephBet

I didn't really follow that. Can you dumb it down for me and summarize it. One of the profound laws of life, is that all things can be simplified, at least in explanation. Stephen Hawking is a master of it. Bill Nye is a master of it. Jesus was a master of it.

Confucius - "I hear and I forget. I see and I learn. I do and I understand."

Insight is sight inside. Involution is entering the environment to do. Evolution is emerging from the volution, or exiting as a new creation.

Aleph Bet is Father

Aleph Mem (water) is Mother. She is the cup.

Bet (house) Nun (Seed) is bread, or house of seed. Bread is made from seed and Christ is the bread of life.

Father, Mother Son. You are the Son, or Word written with letters (Aleph Bet/DNA).

Word is made from letters. So are proteins. So is light, both particle and wave animated by consciousness (Spirit).

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

---Son is Word. Father is Aleph Bet (Letters). Creation is an image (hologram). We are here to meet the first family. Biology, Natural Science, Physics and Quantum Mechanics is parallel to this story in every way. Each evolve from the involution of the other.

Images are used to see ourselves.

Seek, Find and then Adaptation.

I understand and read several Tao books(meditation books) daily. However, I don't understand what that has to do with evolution. ?

a reply to: AlephBet

All that and you still didn't answer my question. The requirements for life are irrelevant. There is no part of evolution whatsoever that involves turning over or rotating, and it's been clearly demonstrated that the evolution did not come from volution. Until you demonstrate how evolution turns over or rotates, your words are meaningless because they rely on metaphors. Volution isn't some magical principle that applies to everything. It is an action / process that happens mainly as a result of gravity and the natural movement of the universe. It's like saying dirt is the key to evolution, because if there was no dirt, plants couldn't evolve. That's not how logic/science works.

originally posted by: EaglesFan
a reply to: TzarChasm

The Evolution vs God thing is for small minded, unenlightened spastics.. Tell me, what part of evolution burst this universe into existence from a zero point and no known explanation apart from the Big Bang theory which is just a theory btw?

Is Evolution only the explaining of life forms? If so once again it cannot compare to the Non-life that created everything in and outside this existence. And for this existence to be created in the first place, there must be soething outside of it also.

please, tell me more about how much you know about non-life entities that create things outside of existence. im sure youve had plenty of years of extensive research in the subject with test data and stacks of paperwork documenting all the spacial phenomena and extra-dimensional lifeforms that would revolutionize modern science and - oh wait, no you dont.

a reply to: Emerald53

Ok a couple of things

(a) There is no such thing as a "missing link" in the way most people think of it. So when Kirk Cameron (for example) says "there is no crocco-duck thus evolution is wrong", he does not understand evolution. Nor does he want too to be fair. He's got his own bias Most creationists (young earth ones especially) play the logical fallacy game of "pick at a small point and ignore a large one). Also since Darwin and others postulated the theory we have discovered evolution tends to work in jumps rather than slow transitions. So transitory examples (aka missing links) tend not to be found, as they never existed. There is also the little wrinkle that some species can interbreed, say Neanderthals or Denisovians and Homo Sapiens. That causes evolution to go in a direction that you can't predict. Humans fixed that problem for themselves by making sure we are the only members of the genus (Homo) left.

(b) DNA tends not to be able to be tested when its over a few 1000 years old. It is biological and what really old samples we have sequenced, tend to be from well preserved lucky samples, and even then they are fragmented to hell, and require some poor biochemist/geneticist playing the jigsaw game, with out all the pieces.

(c) You can't get DNA from fossils. Once all the organic matter has been replaced with minerals, its gone.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Unless you connect this with an orthogonal linear matrix (which is what reality is), you have not completed your comparison. It's an image starting at 1:1, just as I explained with the fibonacci sequence. Father: Mother makes three when the child is born. Cell division is the same. The esoteric interpretation you read is one of several on the same page. Baptism is involution in the Bible to rise to new life. From Egypt, it is Seek, Find and Adapt. Any way you look at it, we are speaking of a quantum simulation. This can only be described as a created image, just as the Bible states. It's the best source to guide our own theories toward the true metaphor. Mark what I say here. Science will eventually admit the obvious.

Whatever evidence...its probably an illusion.

Time

Consider that a key component to Evolutionary Theory is Time or its passage. What happens when it is determined that Time as we understand it isn't absolute.

How then can any theory which depends on it survive in tact?

a reply to: michaelbrux

You know that's not really a valid argument against evolution right? Because the idea that time is illusionary is also a theory, and not one as well attested as evolution.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: AlephBet

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: AlephBet

I didn't really follow that. Can you dumb it down for me and summarize it. One of the profound laws of life, is that all things can be simplified, at least in explanation. Stephen Hawking is a master of it. Bill Nye is a master of it. Jesus was a master of it.

Confucius - "I hear and I forget. I see and I learn. I do and I understand."

Insight is sight inside. Involution is entering the environment to do. Evolution is emerging from the volution, or exiting as a new creation.

Aleph Bet is Father

Aleph Mem (water) is Mother. She is the cup.

Bet (house) Nun (Seed) is bread, or house of seed. Bread is made from seed and Christ is the bread of life.

Father, Mother Son. You are the Son, or Word written with letters (Aleph Bet/DNA).

Word is made from letters. So are proteins. So is light, both particle and wave animated by consciousness (Spirit).

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

---Son is Word. Father is Aleph Bet (Letters). Creation is an image (hologram). We are here to meet the first family. Biology, Natural Science, Physics and Quantum Mechanics is parallel to this story in every way. Each evolve from the involution of the other.

Images are used to see ourselves.

Seek, Find and then Adaptation.

I understand and read several Tao books(meditation books) daily. However, I don't understand what that has to do with evolution. ?

Where do I speak of Tao in the words you just quoted? I mentioned it in another post. A more specific question might be helpful in relation to something I said in the other post.

a reply to: Barcs

So, you are saying that environment, laws, forces have no part to play?

a reply to: michaelbrux

Evolutionary theory isn't based or dependent upon time. it is instead calculated based on how we observe and measure it. How we observe and calculate the passage of time, today, is a constant and how we determine the ages assigned to the archaeological and geologic record. and with nuclear clocks it is extremely precise.

a reply to: peter vlar

People love to take unrelated ideas to "prove" their own biases. Its a common debating technique online. This was a minor one. During the 1990's I lurked on usenet in the alt area and the amount of false attribution that was thrown about still makes me wonder at the brain damage we all suffered from the stupid

Creation demands a creator.
John 1:1-3
Destructive heresies, false teachers
2 Peter 2:1–3 KJB

a reply to: AvoidBadCompany

Can you show this not using scripture?