Why Ebola is a danger to the Northern Hemisphere - STOP IT NOW!

I have read many threads and posted my replies to counter the disinformation and lies being pushed upon us by the CDC and NIH, but feel these facts are worthy of their own thread. I believe we are on the precipice of an event unknown in modern history - a pandemic that will establish a deadly pathogen across the globe, an event that will permanently change the world as we know it.

Too many people (including many menbers of this forum) have been deluded by the distortion of facts and the omission of even more important facts about this new strain of Ebola. I will counter the assumptions that, simply because we have an 'advanced' level of medical care, and are not in a tropical climate, and have much better sanitation and burial practices, with some facts that make Ebola as dangerous, and mabe even MORE dangerous, to us in this first-world country located outside the tropical zone.

1) Ebola is a very hardy virus that will thrive in a cooler climate, and will contaminate surfaces. We are being comforted by the CDC assurances that Ebola will not remain active for more than a few hours or maybe days, as it will die, especially outside in the sunlight. This is true - when tropical temperatures are also at play. What happens with Ebola when left on a surface at lower temperatures? It survives longer - days, weeks, MONTHS. It can survive indefinitely below freezing.
For reference, I will use Public Health Canada pathogen data sheet, found at this link:

Pathogen Safety Data Sheet - Public Health Canada

Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C).... Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa). When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days.

The NBC camaraman that is in a Nebraska hospital believes he got Ebola by washing his car...

www.truthrevolt.org... man-believes-he-contracted-ebola-while-cleaning-infected-car

If Ebola gets here in the winter months, it will remain on surfaces for a much longer period of time than it does in the high temperatures and higher humidity of the tropics, and that will make tracing contacts and isolating the infected near impossible.

2) Ebola is a ZOONOTIC virus, and will establish reservoirs in our animal populations. This should be obvious, as we have bats and rats and mice, and we have other animals, like dogs, cats, pigs, and possibly other mammals, that will eventually contract Ebola and pass it thru those populations, establishing it as a native disease that will be with us forever.
From the same source as above:

Serological evidence of immunity markers to ebolavirus in serum collected from domesticated dogs suggests asymptomatic infection is plausible, likely following exposure to infected humans or animal carrion Footnote 32 Footnote 33. The Ebolavirus genome was discovered in two species of rodents and one species of shrew living in forest border areas, raising the possibility that these animals may be intermediary hosts Footnote 34. Experimental studies of the virus have been done using mouse, pig, guinea pig, and hamster models, suggesting wild-type ebolavirus has limited pathogenicity in these models.

For those that want more information on the studies done in animal populations, a good PDF link can be found here:

Dead or alive: Animal sampling during Ebola hemorrhagic fever outbreaks in humans

When Ebola spreads into our animals, handling meat will become a threat, hunting will become a threat, mice and rats will carry it widely, and even our dogs and cats will be a danger to us.

3) Ebola already has some airborne properties. And the CDC and Public Health Canada know it.

The CDC and the UN are forced to admit that Ebola is airborne

This article addresses both - that it is airborne, and that the health agencies telling us it is NOT are lying. This is the former CDC site with recommendations for health care workers - it was replaced on August 4th:

Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever in U.S. Hospitals

This is the location of another former CDC reference - now being redirected to their new page:

CDC Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Information Packet

The former page disappeared into the abyss of the web - unless you use the previous link to find it. Their new page has no information about aerosol or airborne, and minimizes the dangers of casual contact. It now sounds as if simple precautions are enough to avoid it.

The CDC wants us to think this is like HIV ("Baghdad Bob" Tom Freidan is even saying as much), but it is NOT. It is MUCH EASIER to catch this virus. The CDC did a wonderful job of dispelling the rumors and falsehoods about HIV, but that was a lot easier - since the correct information was also 'politically correct'. In this case, it is the opposite, and the truth is NOT politically correct - and the CDC is now the liar, not the informer.

Combine airborne (there is still a lot of semantics about this, however, there is a lot of researchers that state this is possible...for layman, 'airborne' and 'aersolized' is one in the same), with contaminated surfaces, in a cooler climate, in a country that depends on mass public transportation, and people that travel widely on a daily basis, and in concurrence with the regular winter respiratory diseases, with a government that is hiding the true nature of this threat, and we have a unique ability to spread this virus in ways that cannot be done in the hot climates of a backward country.

That is not only reason for concern, that is more than enough reason for us to take drastic measures to contain this epidemic to Africa and snuff it out there, before it gets established HERE - because HERE, we will never get rid of it, until there is only the remaining 30% with established immunity (i.e. the survivors of the mass die-offs).

Doom porn - this is apocylyptic doom porn. We should be protesting the governments of all of U.S. and Europe to stop all NON-essential travel to Africa, and pour our resources into treating it and stopping it THERE, as well as making sure it doesn't get HERE.

a reply to: lakesidepark

I agree... here is an article I was just reading a moment ago and this one is very frightening:
It's written by Hodges from Thecommonsenseshow.com website; The title of the article is:

"Ebola Patients & Exposed Persons to be Sent to Death Camps According to HHS Documents"

Here is a link to that article:

www.thecommonsenseshow.com...

a reply to: lakesidepark

Sorry, I thought you said you were countering disinformation, not propagating it?

It's not airborne.

You also seem to be ignoring that surfaces can be cleaned with disinfectants.

a reply to: tony9802

For a site calling itself thecommonsenseshow, there's a severe lack of it in that article.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: lakesidepark

Sorry, I thought you said you were countering disinformation, not propagating it?

It's not airborne.

You also seem to be ignoring that surfaces can be cleaned with disinfectants.

why don't you go test this and get back to me.

"It's not airborne."

a reply to: AlphaHawk


I believe I read somewhere that the virus is airborne..so I'll have to agree with lakesidepark on that one lad..By the way, do not be scared by the details shared in the commonsenseshow-- it's only for the strong hearted; I suggest you review the informations in those HHS documents and executive orders.. with some common sense of course..

a reply to: AlphaHawk
I referenced the CDC site from a previous link web archive. For some reason I can't get that link to show in my post. The link doesn't like links embedded in links. I will find a way to add it tomorrow but tonight I have to call it quits.
The CDC site I tried to link referenced 'contaminated air' as an Ebola danger. What is 'contaminated air" Why does the CDC consider it a danger? And did you go to the newer sites referenced by the link I provided to disprove the CDC page is slowly being updated to include 'airborne' as a danger?

And frankly, whether it stays in the air indefinitely (the true nature of contaminated air) or has to be suspended in droplets spewed by a sneeze, to the layman, that is airborne.

And that is only a bit of what I said was disinformation, one piece of the entire picture, and you picked only a part of it. With no supporting information.

Whether that is truly a 'fact' or not cannot be proven - as there is just not a lot of proven research about this virus at ALL. This is the biggest outbreak they have ever had to study, and they have never studied an outbreak in a dry climate....so how can you even make a statement that it is 'not proven' to be airborne, when it is already proven to be aerosolized, and has that potential to be airborne?

If they get a good study group where hundreds can be studied in a cold dry climate, with infected and controls, then theis can be proven or dispelled without a doubt. But at this time it CANNOT and therefore SHOULD not be ruled out.

I don't think we should we be that study group tp PROVE or DISPROVE it.

Now, address the other two dangers and kill the fear won't ya? I got it...we can all wear bunny suits and masks and carry bottles of Clorox with us every time we use an ATM or get gas, and we will be fine, that's what I am hearing. How many people do you expect to do that?

a reply to: tony9802

Just can't happen, not without some freaky mutations.

Ebola is made of RNA. RNA viruses are known to undergo rapid genetic changes. The three most common mechanisms are:

Nucleotide substitutions resulting from purportedly high error rates during RNA synthesis;
Reassortment of the RNA segments of multipartite genomic viruses
RNA-RNA recombination between non-segmented RNAs

The Ebola virus can use only the first and the third mechanisms as it has only one segment of RNA by capsid. To become "airborne", the Ebola genome (RNA) would, at least, have to mutate in such a way that its outer protective coating of proteins (capsid) could resist the forces to which they are subjected in air (e.g., dryness). It also would probably need to change structure to allow infection through the respiratory system. There are no exact measures of the rate of mutation in Ebola, but the probability of the required mutation(s) happening is not great.

www.brettrussell.com...

To the people who say it isn't airborne, your full of # and believing what the government tells you. Technically, it is airborne because the virus is in all bodily fluids, therefore mucus. What happens when you sneeze or cough? You expel mucous. Therefor, it is airborne. I read a story awhile ago sayin that expect 1.4 million infections by the beginning of next year and then the story was changed to 14 million.

I agree with you though op. However, I don't think it will turn into a population killer like a lit of fearmongers say. I think however that this strain was developed by the US government and tested to be a biological weapon.

a reply to: GroidNificent

The flu is airborne.

Ebola is not.

A little bit of science will assist you with working this out, and I have too, sharing a nice simple explanation on how ebola can't just become airborne.

You are right in one thing that semantics is an issue. Airborne and areosolised are not the same thing and you should not conflate the issue by suggesting they are. Please link to said researchers that say they are?
Ebola is not airborne this is a categorical fact, it is not a fact that it will never be airborne and you will not find anyone credible that says it will certainly never become airborne however it is so unlikely that spending time speculating about it is simply not worth it. If it were airborne it would be uncontained on every continent by now its being circulating west Africa all year and has only just managed to leave the country, if it is airborne then it is the most pathetically adapted virus in world.
Sneezing on someone is not the same as airborne! that is direct droplet transmission. Airborne is just being in the same area as someone else and becoming infected or walking down the same street as someone else 10 mins after they have already left. Influenza is airborne thats what makes it so contagious, ebola is not.
I dont know how to embed a picture but this is the difference between droplet (sneezing) transmission and airborne.
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a reply to: AlphaHawk

Your source is wrong when it says:

It also would probably need to change structure to allow infection through the respiratory system.

Ebola is already effective at infecting through the lungs.
I would have to question anything else they are saying on your link as well.


From National Institute of Health:
Lethal experimental infections of rhesus monkeys by aerosolized Ebola virus.

The potential of aerogenic infection by Ebola virus was established by using a head-only exposure aerosol system. Virus-containing droplets of 0.8-1.2 microns were generated and administered into the respiratory tract of rhesus monkeys via inhalation. Inhalation of viral doses as low as 400 plaque-forming units of virus caused a rapidly fatal disease in 4-5 days.

I just wanted to point that out. I'm not saying Ebola is airborne.

a reply to: AlphaHawk

Alright then, I have here to share with you a youtube radio talk show episode wherein David Hodges (the author of the article I posted,), along with Mike Adams, the Health Ranger from www.naturalnews.com discuss Ebola, and how it's presence and diffusion is actually being encouraged with disinformation from these national and int'l government health agencies; they do speak about airborne, and they talk about those executive orders; quarantine and possible martial law scenarios.. I believe I heard the airborne thing around the 14:00 to 16:00 minute mark: it's a good listen and I think Mike Adams is an excellent researcher--He believes in organic food and good health; he is motivated and inspirational;

You tube radio episode with D. Hodges and Mike Adams: www.youtube.com...

"Pandemic Preparedness FREE Online How-To Course"
www.biodefense.com...

a reply to: tony9802

Natural news makes me cringe as a source, but I'll take a listen.
umm.. which part? I'm not hearing anything good yet.
Can't stand to listen to much of this.
Waste of my time.

I've seen no evidence that Ebola is airborne. I've been looking.

a reply to: KnightLight

Aerosol is different to airborne.

Bit difficult to discuss this topic seriously when you don't understand the difference between the two.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: KnightLight

Aerosol is different to airborne.

Bit difficult to discuss this topic seriously when you don't understand the difference between the two.

reading comprehension a bit hard on you? Read my post again. "EBOLA is NOT airborne."
I had a problem with your source saying, "ebola would probably have to mutate to be able to infect the respiratory system."
I showed that was definitely false.

Get it now?

a reply to: tony9802

Ahh mike Adams, the health wanker.

When natural news or before its news jump on a bandwagon, it's almost guaranteed to be utter bs.

a reply to: KnightLight

It's hard on you, you mean?

It even says aerosol in the title of the study.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: KnightLight

It's hard on you, you mean?

It even says aerosol in the title of the study.

Dude.
I NEVER said Ebola was airborne.

a reply to: KnightLight

I follow you now..

It gets absorbed into the blood vessels, the monkeys in the experiment still had necrosis of the liver and pancreas, just like 'normal' ebola infections.

No one has denied that you can get infected by inhaling aerosols, of course it's going to end up in the lungs, it's being inhaled.