Greta from Fox chases an F-22 in a two seat F-16!

Ironically, this is dated 2004!

It's been brought back by Fox in a report of the effectiveness of the F-22 in Syria.

It also has Greta stating the F-22 does over 2000 MPH, which is a little more than the "mach 2.4" ......cough, cough.

gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com...

A jawline that Rodger Ramjet himself would be jealous of

Speed is classified.... but not to far off the mark.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Not THAT much over. Not like they'd be doing that in production standard aircraft going into combat anyway.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Still, it's comforting to know if it's time to depart, post haste, the capability is there.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Now if they could just solve the energy bleed, and recovery issues in WVR.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I was thinking about that one.

I'm just guessing- that's all I do, LMAO- BUT, methinks the Germans missed a huge point. The Raptor can bleed way more energy than an EF without getting into trouble, naturally, and probably did bleed more-a tactical error by the Raptor drivers?- which resulted in slower recovery?

Considering t/w ratios, one wouldn't think there'd be much difference between the two platforms recovery.

Am I missing something here or a bit of trash talk by the krauts?

a reply to: nwtrucker

Any time you have an aircraft capable of extreme AoA, they tend to bled energy more than others. Canards help with that, a lot. But it's extremely difficult to make them stealthy.

The problem with super maneuverability is that you can get so slow that you're a sitting target, and it's hard to build that back up quickly.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yep, I get that point. Still, the Commander of the British EF squadron which played with the Raptors before Red Flag, raved about the Raptors.

Tactic changes? Perhaps we showed the Brits a bit more than the Germans?

Besides, as you've said, it's only 1v2 or more that it becomes an issue. 1v1, the EF is toast.....

a reply to: nwtrucker

It's still an amazing fighter that will be dominant for a long time. And used as a BVR aircraft, as designed, nothing can come near it.

Pilots just have to be aware of the energy loss, and learn to manage it.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The problem with super maneuverability is that you can get so slow that you're a sitting target, and it's hard to build that back up quickly.

But also lends to overshoot on the part of any pursuer. That is the intent of "super maneuverability", right?

a reply to: intrptr

Which is fine in a 1v1 knife fight. The problem comes when a real fight is 4v8, or whatever. The Raptors are ALWAYS going to be outnumbered. If you don't watch your energy you get the first one or two, then one of the others nails you, because you can't maneuver while trying to build you're energy back.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The Raptors are ALWAYS going to be outnumbered.

Yah, that.

So running is the best option? Isn't that how the "strike package" gets through? Limited scenario, I know and over "ISIS", threats are negligible.

In a real slugging match, however…

It really wouldn't shock me if it flew faster that 2.4 M. Hell it supercruises at 1.6-1.8 or so...

a reply to: intrptr

No, you fight to your strengths. Hit them BVR, and manage your energy in the knife fight.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Hit them BVR, and manage your energy in the knife fight.

Expend all missiles then close with overwhelming odds?' mean while (in that slug match with another superpower air force)…

the strike package bears down on the target. In the past all fighters have been concerned with protecting assets from the bombers. Fighters slug it out for the prize. If the odds are outnumbering, then there is not much hope to stop the bombers if all ordnance is expended fighting off fighters.

That may be an old scenario anyway, as modern combat will utilize not only diversion with fighter bombers but a plethora of sea skimming and ground hugging missiles.

a reply to: intrptr

You're not going to expend all your missiles at long range. The farther you shoot the lower the Pk is. The AMRAAM is a better long range missile than the -9X. So you use your AMRAAMs to hammer them as you close, and the -9X from the merge into the knife fight.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Does the raptor have a gun?

a reply to: intrptr

Yes. It's internally mounted and pops up to fire.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The AMRAAM is a better long range missile than the -9X. So you use your AMRAAMs to hammer them as you close, and the -9X from the merge into the knife fight.

Are standoff missiles as stealthy as the jet? Kind of sounds the charge.

Here come the stealth fighters…