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flying creatures, fowl, insects, birds
This may be due to mans recognition of insects as minuscule and unimportant or even irritating. However, this could be the mention of their creation indicating that even the smallest of creatures are important to the creator and the world upon which they were placed.
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky.
for the last 500 million years, fish and proto-amphibians;
for the last 475 million years, land plants;
for the last 400 million years, insects and seeds;
originally posted by: raymundoko
* I am a scientist.
* I consider myself a non-denominational christian and believe in a God.
* I have found I can resolve with science the entire creation account in genesis if the days of creation are not literal days.
* Plenty of evidence points to the fact that this is the case and I have outlined that in previous posts/threads.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Krazysh0t
You can't really literally make it say anything...it says what it says. It can absolutely be mistranslated.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: SuperFrog
Plenty of evidence that the bible is not referring to literal days. I already went over light in another thread. That isn't what this post is about. And are you saying because I hold a masters degree in a field of science I am not allowed to believe in god? That is also not part of this discussion. As this is a creation/religious forum this is for what others who subscribe to creation may feel about this information.
I have found I can resolve with science the entire creation account in genesis if the days of creation are not literal days.
..............And the evening and the morning were the first day.
..............And the evening and the morning were the second day.
..............And the evening and the morning were the third day.
..............And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
..............And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Krazysh0t
I think most people are flat out wrong about their beliefs and THEY try and justify it. Let me elaborate. I subscribe heavily to science as the key and answer to understanding our universe. The answers we find from it should reshape dogma that may not actually hold any footing in the texts religions are based on.
For example, does a religion itself teach that the earth is 6k years old? Yes, several do. Those should then be disregarded as an authority on scripture as reality disagrees with their view. They obviously got it wrong.
Just as scientific understanding of a subject can change as new information is found, so should someones belief system be subject to change if data is given that refutes their belief system. If your belief system can change without contradicting the foundation of your belief system, then there should be no issue.
So who's belief system is it that birds were created on the 5th day? Man's religions, based on man's translation, primarily King James. Is the foundation shaken if it wasn't birds, simply insects? Nope, it does not contradict the literal translation and therefore the foundation is in tact.
This has nothing to do with mental gymnastics, this is refining understanding.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: SuperFrog
Why would I not agree with how the earth was formed? Why would I not agree with how we evolved? I think you are drastically confused...again, you asked these identical questions in another thread, so I think you have a checklist of questions to ask...
And considering I didn't put anything in my OP concerning scientific method, I fail to see what was proven very wrong. It seems you may have canned text responses and as such I probably won't really offer you further responses. You seem to just want to argue with those who believe in a god based on our past interaction. I am not here to preach or convert.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: SuperFrog
Blame it on translation? Again, you and I have had THIS EXACT SAME CONVERSATION in another thread. There is no translation issue there...
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
What method of creation is listed there? None. Why in the world would I have to disagree with science based on that scripture?? You can't just wildly claim that because I am a scientist I can't believe in god. Your sole reason for coming to this thread seems to be to derail it. Please keep this specifically about how Genesis 1:20 is translated and compares to Genesis 2:19. If you don't want to discuss that, please move on.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”
23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.