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Maybe a test case would be illustrative?
What has been RT's reporting on the "US Involvement" in the coup in Kiev? Please briefly articulate what they claim and how they support the claim?
If this is your chosen example of RT's "accurate reporting"...Hacked quote...claiming the 5B went to a "Coup" that was a peoples protest/uprising and omitting it was spent over 20+ plus years rather than on the protestors...or the part where she says the US spent nothing on protestors, that it was spontaneous....You are lost.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
If Rupert Murdoch (Owner of Fox) was also the Dictator of the USA...and Fox had NO COMPETITION...and those journalists that challenged FOX's reporting were murdered, beaten, imprisoned by the hundreds...
You obviously don't know a lot about Rupert Murdoch and the practice of some of his publications.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
That's like saying the owner of a sports team is responsible for the player who bought the bag of coke from the hooker while they were in a visiting city.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
If this is your chosen example of RT's "accurate reporting"...Hacked quote...claiming the 5B went to a "Coup" that was a peoples protest/uprising and omitting it was spent over 20+ plus years rather than on the protestors...or the part where she says the US spent nothing on protestors, that it was spontaneous....You are lost.
It wasn't my chosen example, it was YOURS! You just typed out a response, broke it down for all of us and then told me that if that is what I thought then I'm lost.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
To summarize: Russia killing journalists is irrelevant to the fact that RT has accurately reported US involvement with the coup in Kiev.
originally posted by: Indigo5
as bad as Fox News is, they aren't murdering those that disagree and they have competition to fact check them...without fear of murder.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
What's the difference Skeptic Overlord?
rt.com...
english.farsnews.com...
www.france24.com...
en.itar-tass.com...
That's a really strange way of singling someone out and it's not consistent with how you treat organizations that have the same structure as RT. #accountability
originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
originally posted by: Indigo5
as bad as Fox News is, they aren't murdering those that disagree and they have competition to fact check them...without fear of murder.
Correct. However, the ownership did oversee the hacking of the devices of lots of people, including opposition journalists.
I demonstrated that rather than "accurately" report the US Involvement with the "coup" in Kiev...they brutally molested the facts and supporting quotes.
Correct. However, the ownership did oversee the hacking of the devices of lots of people, including opposition journalists.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
I included three stories that show a level of US involvement in the Ukraine crisis so please go and refute those.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
RT has accurately reported US involvement with the coup in Kiev.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
I included three stories that show a level of US involvement in the Ukraine crisis so please go and refute those.
If you are back to claiming that RT was accurate in it's repeated reporting that the US caused the populace uprising, then please provide some evidence of the same? Coercing a countries population (or great portion thereof) to oust it's leader would be difficult to do on the down-low?..
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
I was never at the point of claiming the US CAUSED the populace uprising. I said they PARTICIPATED. What I said was that, "RT accurately reported on the Ukraine crisis,"
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
To summarize: Russia killing journalists is irrelevant to the fact that RT has accurately reported US involvement with the coup in Kiev.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
I also acknowledged that there was propaganda being used by RT and I accepted it because RUSSIA IS ON THE BORDER OF UKRAINE AND THE US IS THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM IT!!!
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
I am honestly taken aback by the lack of reading comprehension from people in this forum. Do you understand the difference between 'caused,' and 'participated,'?
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
The US has a history of toppling governments and with the evidence that not just RT provides, but other sources including many many many credible books, the US works with local operatives through it's intelligence departments to foment unrest in multiple regions.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
I feel like I'm teaching a freshman history class after that statement. The US has been complicit in manipulating actions around the globe and if you think that RT is lying about that, you are a fool.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
not using the term 'fool,' as an insult but literally documenting the mindset with which you carried yourself through this conversation.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
The US involvement in Ukraine is bigger than what RT represents and you keep wanting to drag the conversation back to your topics rather than progressing the conversation. If you don't see a link to the US and Ukraine through the three links I provided then nothing I could say would register.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
I classified you as someone that is Russophobic because of your anti-Russian slant in most of your posts. You seem to think Russia is unique for how it treats people they believe could cause unrest. I don't agree with how Russia chooses to deal with situations but I feel the same way about most countries. The difference between me and you is that I'm not Anti-American but can still hold my country accountable when it's wrong.
In short, Ukraine's previous President, Viktor Yanukovych, was not considered a threat to Ukraine nor US interests until he suddenly decided 9 months ago to over-ride his parliament and dismiss the European Union's bailout plan in favor of Russia's backing and a closer alliance with Russia. For a country who had struggled for decades to free themselves of Russia and succeeded, this naturally sparked immediate and fierce protests by Ukrainians who did not want to return to Russian rule...the protests were large and immediate and the country was instantly on the verge of civil war.
Geographical proximity does not entitle any nation to Military Aggression or Propaganda? WW2/Nazi's/Goebbels? Much of Europe would be arguably be under Nazi rule today with that thinking.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
In one post you accuse me of saying that the US 'caused,' the conflict, then you share my quote that says US was simply 'involved,' in the conflict.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
I shared an audio recording with you that had two American politicians discussing who should be working in what capacity in the new Ukrainian government.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
Russia kills journalists so because RT is state sponsored they should not be taken seriously because they may be killed.........After one of their most popular hosts, on air, opined on her distaste for certain parts of RT, as did another host. They are both alive and one still has her show on RT (that's evidence to counter your point). So no, Russia doesn't silence all of its reporters and Putin doesn't murder everyone that disagrees with him. I will be amused how you try and twist my language to counter those points.
RT NEWS: In her comment Ms. Martin also noted that she does not possess a deep knowledge of reality of the situation in Crimea. As such we'll be sending her to Crimea to give her an opportunity to make up her own mind from the epicentre of the story.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
You didn't specify ethnicity when you made the blanket statement that Putin silences journalists that oppose him.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
Since RT works for the Russian government, I thought they counted since you would argue they were Putin's employees. I didn't know you had such a knowledge or where and when Putin kills people. Doesn't the west usually support the idea that Putin influenced the murder of an opposing figure in London? So there's another exception to the ABSOLUTES you seem to be anchored to.
originally posted by: RisingTerra
a reply to: Indigo5
There was a coup. Ukrainian people from the military and portions of the government were involved. The US was involved with those people. The US had direct contact and voiced its support for the opposition that lead the coup. The US has allowed the coup led government to lean on its protection to continue to pursue its agenda. The US government publicly supported the overthrow of a democratically elected leader and continues to do so. The US leaders have sent top defense officials to Ukraine to assist with the transition. The US has lead the charge since the early 90's to expand NATO to Russia's borders.