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originally posted by: BMorris
...a quick Google search suggests that the teaching of creationism as a science was banned in 2012, to which some people took the education authority to court to get it taught as a valid scientific theory, and lost quite badly.
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
The new church academies clauses require that "pupils are taught about the theory of evolution, and prevent academy trusts from teaching 'creationism' as scientific fact." And by "creationism" they mean:
[A]ny doctrine or theory which holds that natural biological processes cannot account for the history, diversity, and complexity of life on earth and therefore rejects the scientific theory of evolution. The parties acknowledge that creationism, in this sense, is rejected by most mainstream churches and religious traditions, including the major providers of state funded schools such as the [Anglican] [Catholic] Churches, as well as the scientific community. It does not accord with the scientific consensus or the very large body .....
Teaching Creationism As Science Now Banned In All UK Public Schools
Hooray for the Poms - for all those who are going to complain that this is some repression of religion or freedom of speech please note:
And in regards to protecting religious beliefs, the clauses acknowledge that the funding agreement does...
...not prevent discussion of beliefs about the origins of the Earth and living things, such as creationism, in Religious Education, as long as it is not presented as a valid alternative to established scientific theory.
so you can teach your creationism - but you are not allowed to lie about it being science!
the comments are delightful too
originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
Hooray for the Poms - for all those who are going to complain that this is some repression of religion or freedom of speech please note:
And in regards to protecting religious beliefs, the clauses acknowledge that the funding agreement does...
...not prevent discussion of beliefs about the origins of the Earth and living things, such as creationism, in Religious Education, as long as it is not presented as a valid alternative to established scientific theory.
so you can teach your creationism - but you are not allowed to lie about it being science!
the comments are delightful too
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul
Hmm, big government defining that religious beliefs cannot be taught as being valid, and at the same time is incorporating Sharia Law?
No-one see that there are issues there?
And also legally defining non-biological factors of Biodiversity (such as Dynamical Systems - Chaos Theory & Mathematical Probability) as 'Creationism'.
Geenyus!
originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: crazyewok
Couldn't agree with you molre about sharia its hardly a law for the sensible.
However I do think that kids should be taught about all the different major religions and importantly how religion is brainwashed into their heads in their formative years, in short its psychology in simple language aimed at the child's age. They would then be in a position to draw their own conclusions about the pros and cons of each, its a bit like giving lessons with the fishing rod.
If religion is only taught at home, most will only get a stunted or traditional view from parents or the extremists and unless armed with a full knowledge of religion and especially how it plays on the world stage they are vulnerable.
I don't believe creationism should be anywhere near a science lesson as it doesn't yet make sense to us and scientifically we are at the state of learning how the planet was put together and its past history. Such questions as to how could we have been placed on such a vulnerable system in the first place is a legitimate question when one considers that earth was clouted by another planet and as it could happen again, doesn't bode well for an omnipotent god figure's thinking, perhaps he should have paid more attention to his planet's vulnerability.
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: crazyewok
Couldn't agree with you molre about sharia its hardly a law for the sensible.
However I do think that kids should be taught about all the different major religions and importantly how religion is brainwashed into their heads in their formative years, in short its psychology in simple language aimed at the child's age. They would then be in a position to draw their own conclusions about the pros and cons of each, its a bit like giving lessons with the fishing rod.
If religion is only taught at home, most will only get a stunted or traditional view from parents or the extremists and unless armed with a full knowledge of religion and especially how it plays on the world stage they are vulnerable.
I don't believe creationism should be anywhere near a science lesson as it doesn't yet make sense to us and scientifically we are at the state of learning how the planet was put together and its past history. Such questions as to how could we have been placed on such a vulnerable system in the first place is a legitimate question when one considers that earth was clouted by another planet and as it could happen again, doesn't bode well for an omnipotent god figure's thinking, perhaps he should have paid more attention to his planet's vulnerability.
O we do in the UK
Religious education or RE is compulsury to age 14/15 in the UK, your taught the main religions in a partial manor.
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: crazyewok
Couldn't agree with you molre about sharia its hardly a law for the sensible.
However I do think that kids should be taught about all the different major religions and importantly how religion is brainwashed into their heads in their formative years, in short its psychology in simple language aimed at the child's age. They would then be in a position to draw their own conclusions about the pros and cons of each, its a bit like giving lessons with the fishing rod.
If religion is only taught at home, most will only get a stunted or traditional view from parents or the extremists and unless armed with a full knowledge of religion and especially how it plays on the world stage they are vulnerable.
I don't believe creationism should be anywhere near a science lesson as it doesn't yet make sense to us and scientifically we are at the state of learning how the planet was put together and its past history. Such questions as to how could we have been placed on such a vulnerable system in the first place is a legitimate question when one considers that earth was clouted by another planet and as it could happen again, doesn't bode well for an omnipotent god figure's thinking, perhaps he should have paid more attention to his planet's vulnerability.
O we do in the UK
Religious education or RE is compulsury to age 14/15 in the UK, your taught the main religions in a partial manor.
Yes, but my RE lessons led me to become an atheist!
originally posted by: BMorris
I thought it had been banned for quite a while now. Indeed a quick Google search suggests that the teaching of creationism as a science was banned in 2012, to which some people took the education authority to court to get it taught as a valid scientific theory, and lost quite badly.
Maybe that was just on the LEA level, dunno. But this is good news, an official ban on teaching a religion as a science. Yay for us.
originally posted by: Snarl
And no one _ever_ has conducted a scientific experiment (much less repeated it) where a change of species is evident (e.g. breeding two dogs and coming up with a cat).
originally posted by: crazyewok
And?
Is that not the point? Teach the options and let the individual decide?
originally posted by: yorkshirelad
That statement in itself shows such a massive ignorance of how evolution works. I find it astonishing that in this day and age with all the information at our fingertips such ignorance pervades. Even worse here on ATS with sooooo many people who have provided soooo many links to soooo many sources of information.
I am left with only one conclusion you choose NOT to believe the science for dogmatic reasons.....that's sad, religious jihadists have the same attitude....and we know where that leads !
originally posted by: djz3ro
originally posted by: BMorris
...a quick Google search suggests that the teaching of creationism as a science was banned in 2012, to which some people took the education authority to court to get it taught as a valid scientific theory, and lost quite badly.
Now that I am a parent I don't force any religion on my kids, even if I was a believer I wouldn't, I think religion, just like irrational fears should not be passed from parent to child and should be left for the individual to decide. Not everybody needs religion in their lives, some of us are strong enough without it...
You're either teaching science or you're not. Bronze-age middle eastern folk tales are not science.
originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Also it wouldn't be the kids choosing it would be their parents. Great news and it should have happened many years ago.