The Leader Vs Dr.Doom

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The Leader has superhuman mental acumen, as a result of his exposure to an explosion of gamma-irradiated waste. He possesses enhanced intuition, pattern solving, information storage and retrieval, and logical and philosophical structuring. His ability to predict probable outcomes of tactical and strategic scenarios is so advanced that it borders on clairvoyance. The Leader has a perfect memory with the ability to recall every moment since the accident that gave him his powers. In addition to his superhuman intelligence, the Leader has limited but potent telekinetic and telepathic powers. He is able to mentally control non-gamma-mutated individuals upon touching them, and has toppled a very weakened Hulk with his telekinetic blasts.

The Leader possesses knowledge of genetics, physics, and robotics, and has designed a large number of sophisticated weapons, vehicles, computers, androids, and synthetic humanoids. He is particularly adept at genetic engineering and manipulating radiation for various nefarious purposes.

On occasion, the Leader showed the ability to turn himself back into Samuel Sterns, but this ability resulted in him losing all memory of his identity as the Leader as Sterns's mind was ill-equipped to cope with the Leader's intellect (although he always remembered everything when he turned back into the Leader again).

Dr.Doom:

Doctor Doom is a polymath and scientific genius. Throughout most of his publication history, he has been depicted as one of the most intelligent humans in the Marvel Universe. This is shown on many occasions, most famously by actually curing Ben Grimm of his Thing form, which Reed Richards has never repeated.[64] On the other hand, Reed Richards managed to process all the computer calculations necessary to save the life of a disintegrating Kitty Pryde by himself, which is a feat that Doctor Doom at the time professed to be unable to do.[65]

Doctor Doom also possesses originally minor mystical capabilities due to teachings from Tibetan monks, but later increased them to a considerable extent due to tutoring from his lover Morgan Le Fay. He is capable of energy projection, creating protective shields, and summoning hordes of demonic creatures.[66] Even at a time his abilities were consistently referred to as minor, with assistance from his technology and by tag-teaming with Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom managed to come second in a magic tournament held by the ancient sorcerer the Aged Genghis.[67]

Doctor Doom has also used his scientific talents to steal or replicate the power of other beings such as the Silver Surfer, or in one case the entity Galactus' world-ship.[68]

The alien Ovoids taught Doctor Doom the process of psionically transferring his consciousness into another nearby being through a simple eye contact, as well as showing him other forms of technology[69][70] which Doctor Doom uses to escape from incarcerations and to avoid getting killed;[71][72] however, if his concentration is broken, it can transfer his mind back, and he rarely uses this power unless absolutely necessary due to his own ego about his appearance.

Doctor Doom can exert technopathic control over certain machines, most notably,the Doom bots. In addition, Doctor Doom has a remarkably strong will, as demonstrated in the graphic novel, Emperor Doom when he dared his prisoner, the mind controlling Purple Man, to attempt to control him and he successfully resists.

Without his armor he proved himself to be a skilled bare-handed fighter, even capable of killing a lion.[73][74]

Doctor Doom 's armor augments his natural physical strength to superhuman levels, to the point where he is able to hold his own against Spider-Man in hand-to-hand combat,[75] although he tends to rely on long-range tactics when engaging physically stronger foes. It is also highly resistant to harm, sufficient to withstand blows from Iron Man's armor.[76] The armor can generate a defensive force field[77] and a lethal electric shock killing anyone who might come in contact with Doctor Doom.[77] The armor is self-supporting, equipped with internal stores and recycling systems for air, food, water, and energy, allowing the wearer to survive lengthy periods of exposure underwater or in outer space.

As the absolute monarch of Latveria, Dr. Doom has diplomatic immunity- allowing him to escape prosecution for most of his crimes- and total control of the nation's natural and technological resources, along with its manpower, economy, and military.

Doctor Doom is known for the frequent plot device wherein it is revealed that his actions were actually those of a "Doombot", one of Doctor Doom's many robot doubles, either working on his behalf or as a result of rogue artificial intelligence.

On many occasions, Doctor Doom's only real weakness has been shown to be his arrogance, Layla Miller once reflecting that Doctor Doom is incapable of accepting that he himself might be the reason for his failures, as most keenly reflected in Doctor Doom 's continued inability to accept that he himself was responsible for the accident that scarred his face, preferring to blame Reed Richards for sabotaging his experiment rather than accept that his calculations were wrong. While his high opinion of himself is generally accurate, he is notably generally unable to accept when others may have a better understanding of a situation than he does– although he has been noted to have enough respect for heroes such as Reed Richards or the Thing to at least listen to their recommendations about threats that he himself has not encountered rather than dismiss them instantly– and even when forced to team up with others to defeat a greater threat, Doctor Doom has been shown to be willing to try to gain a personal advantage when the more expedient course of action would be to stick to the plan and try for greater rewards later, such as when he tried to steal the Infinity Gauntlet from Thanos during the heroes' initial assault against the Titan rather than adhere to Adam Warlock's plan of attack and simply attempt to acquire the Gauntlet after Thanos had been defeated.

Doctor Doom adheres to a strict code of honor at all times. However, Von Doom will keep his exact word, which may or may not be beneficial to the person to whom he has given his promise. For example, Doctor Doom may swear that he will not harm an individual, but that only means he will not personally harm that person, it does not mean he will prevent others from harming that person.

Doctor Doom's honor code led him to save Captain America from drowning because Captain America had earlier saved his life, and on another occasion he thanked Spider-Man for saving him from terrorists attacking him in an airport by allowing him to leave alive despite Spider-Man subsequently insulting him. His code of honor also means that he will not attack a respected opponent who is weakened or at a severe disadvantage, as he regards any victory resulting from such circumstances as hollow and meaningless. He has even on several occasions battled opponents who were intent on killing the Fantastic Four, for no other reason than the fact that he does not want the ultimate defeat of the Fantastic Four to come from anyone's hands but his own.

Dr Doom The reason being is the Leader over thinks things. Also Doom doesn't have to rely solely on science he has magical abilities as well.

a reply to: buster2010

Go to the post before yours and read up on what The Leader can do. You might wanna rethink the battle.

This battle could take forever but I think buster has the right of it. Doom has a clear advantage over the Leader and us able to make far more cohesive and over-arching strategies. Leader would probably end up digging his own grave.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
This battle could take forever but I think buster has the right of it. Doom has a clear advantage over the Leader and us able to make far more cohesive and over-arching strategies. Leader would probably end up digging his own grave.

So the super genius is disadvantaged because the dumber guy will be more strategic? Just doesn't make sense to me at all ....

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
This battle could take forever but I think buster has the right of it. Doom has a clear advantage over the Leader and us able to make far more cohesive and over-arching strategies. Leader would probably end up digging his own grave.

So the super genius is disadvantaged because the dumber guy will be more strategic? Just doesn't make sense to me at all ....

Didnt you see how batman beat the crap out of superman?

Theres an example... superman isnt just "super strength"... and batman is just an "average human"... yet well...

I win.




Just compare achievements over their careers. Doom has more drive and tenacity, and a better understanding of human nature. Doom invented a time machine before the Leader even came into existence. Doom was smart enough to get his own country with diplomatic immunity. Doom has beaten Galactus and the Beyonder. Given time to plan and prepare, there is no one Doom couldn't defeat.

Not saying the Leader wouldn't be a challenge, but I would bet the farm on Doom.

originally posted by: FraternitasSaturni

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat

This battle could take forever but I think buster has the right of it. Doom has a clear advantage over the Leader and us able to make far more cohesive and over-arching strategies. Leader would probably end up digging his own grave.

So the super genius is disadvantaged because the dumber guy will be more strategic? Just doesn't make sense to me at all ....

Didnt you see how batman beat the crap out of superman?



Theres an example... superman isnt just "super strength"... and batman is just an "average human"... yet well...

Do you mean after superman was deprived of the sun, his source of power? So then to continue your analogy The Leader must be deprived of his intellect. Then yes, he can be outsmarted.

ETA: And he planned it, he did not out "strength" Superman, he layed traps and outsmarted him, and had help from the Green Arrow. It was basically as perfect a scenario as possible for Batman, and he still could not win 1v1.

a reply to: 0d1n5Unh0ly6h05t

Great thread open, SnF.

Doom can not under any scenario I have ever seen or imagined been out thunk. His mind is unparalleled save for devinity, and even that has fallen short, need I remind you of the time he absorbed the energies of an awakened cosmic cube, and defeated galactus the devourer of worlds?

The leader is.......well just too Steven Erkil to win, he is very smart and powerful, but in all honesty, the guy is an Idiot.

Great read though, there are a lot of very good comic threads today, thanks!

originally posted by: 0d1n5Unh0ly6h05t
a reply to: buster2010

Go to the post before yours and read up on what The Leader can do. You might wanna rethink the battle.

I used to collect comics and I am very familiar with both characters. Doom would defeat the Leader with little to no problem.