"Highway robbery". Police seize $50,000 via asset forfeiture "laws".

The secret to not having such things happen is to not get pulled over by checking your equipment and making sure everything is current and serviceable, and if you do get pulled over, keep your gaddamned mouth shut.

Of course a dope doggie is going to alert on money, especially if it's from Vegas, so don't ever consent to search whether or not you have something to hide wherever you are.

The underground economy is cash only, and running full steam in an economic situation like we are in right now, nearly all the money stinks to a pooch.

Aside from it being an easily trainable dog which can be trained to alert on nothing, who you gonna call to the stand?, the dog?, I don't understand how so many have come to accept this horsecrap here in the U.S.....

It's also fairly smart to not travel around with so much cash just in case you have a car fire or something, never mind the possibility of getting robbed or your car broken into, or hotel/motel room burglarized....

There are intermediaries to turn to in order to hold money temporarily, they do cost a bit, but not all of it...

if you travel with a large amount of cash, LEO's automatically assume you are a crook. this is true with any type of conveyance you employ to move about...plane, auto, train, bus, ship, bicycle, motorcycle, or even if you are walking, and holding a large amount of cash. they will confiscate, and you will have to prove your innocence first before getting it back.

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

the dogs can also 'alert' from a hand signal given by their handler too
point to your ear, point to your nose, etc.
they're sneaky ..

originally posted by: gladtobehere

This is an actual picture of the cop celebrating after he took the money.

I-Team: Lawsuit filed over freeway cash seizures.

I-Team: I-80 cash seizures by sheriff's office raises questions.

• Nguyen: "I mean, you have no right to take this money."
  
• Deputy Dove: "Yes, I do."
  
• Nguyen: "I haven't done anything."
  
• Deputy Dove: "Yes, you have. I believe you have. I believe you have, ok."

WHAT THE...

When the driver asks about the illegal search and seizure, the cop goes on to say:

• Deputy Dove: "Well, I'm gonna search that vehicle first, ok?"
  
• Nguyen: "Hey, what's the reason you're searching my car?"
  
• Deputy Dove: "Because I'm talking to you... well, no, I don't have to explain that to you. I'm not going to explain that to you, but I am gonna put my drug dog on that (pointing to money). If my dog alerts, I'm seizing the money. You can try to get it back but you're not."
  
• Nguyen: (inaudible) got it in Vegas."
  
• Deputy Dove: "Good luck proving it. Good luck proving it. You'll burn it up in attorney fees before we give it back to you."

WHAT!?

So they count on the fact that they can steal YOUR money and that you'll be too poor to get it back...

War on drugs + asset forfeiture laws = RIP 4th Amendment.

There is no more protection under the 4th Amendment. ZERO, NONE.

Whether its this kind of insanity or the warrant-less spying, the TSA, the NSA, the SWAT teams etc., they do whatever they want.

Whether its a politician (Republican and Democrat) or a judge, they all take an oath to uphold the Constitution. So how is this allowed?

If their interpretation of the 4th Amendment is so incredibly narrow, then we need to enact specific laws outlawing this insanity.

This has to stop. Enough already.

What a scam, just made for these scumbags. You win a $100k at the casino, the feds take half in taxes and the cops take the rest. These cops are worse than the criminals because the cowards hide behind these crap laws.

If you win at a casino, get a receipt and a duplicate receipt and mail yourself a triplicate receipt.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Daedalus

originally posted by: Aazadan
During a stop (or any encounter with the police) you have no right to refuse the officers request. If they say do it, you are legally obligated to do it. To disobey is to commit an actual crime. If you believe the cops overstepped their bounds in the moment, your recourse is to take it to court after the fact. Then you can listen to the court side with the cops, unless you were directly injured as a result of the cops instructions.

you have some real funny ideas about things....if it's not a direction you can refuse, then it's not a request.

and i'm not entirely sure where you get this idea that you can't refuse, or that a person has no rights, simply because they're interacting with a police officer.

the uniform, and badge are nothing more than symbols of that person having taken on the task of enforcing the law. it does not elevate them to some "superuser" status.. unless you are violating the law, a police officer is an equal citizen...it's only when you commit a crime, that they have any legal authority to take action against you.

while i may agree with you according to the letter of the law, i can show you 20 hours on youtube that proves different.

so in my mind, we say we're " a nation of laws" but when those laws are habitually broken "for the state", then are we truly a nation of laws?

It's funny how ppl tell me how foolish i am for believing in the bible, yet firmly believe we are a nation of laws.


/that rant wasn't directed at you specifically, i hope you understand.

a reply to: jimmyx

which is the opposite of how it is supposed to be. "innocent, until proven guilty", and all that jazz...

you've stated the obvious..what you've not provided is an opinion on the story presented in the OP...

I've never won a bunch of money in vegas. But it seems to me that any money over say 1000 bucks comes with a tax number from the casino? The driver could easily provide the receipt of winnings if he hasn't chucked it out the window?

Seems the only difference between a Cop and Criminal is a badge. This is just repulsive.

i recommend you check out "flex you rights" bud im afraid that what you said may end up getting you or others hurt

This is a big issue in Tennessee, If you have out of state tags, they will stop you.. They stopped my wifes brother for no reason other than he had PA plates.. He had to spend a night in jail for supposedly drinking and ended up paying like 900 fine for some bs.. I cant remember details it happened like 3 or 4 yrs ago..

But some states I would hate to go through... I will tell you what, driving through TN Was the 1st time I ever obeyed the speed limit...

If you are moving and rent a Uhaul or Rider truck they have you.

People moving drugs use Uhaul or Rider trucks for there drugs just because of asset forfeiture laws.

Never carry more then $1000 on you if you are driving a Uhaul or Rider truck.

I have heard of a number of cases where the cops stopped someone moving and searched a Uhaul or Rider truck and emptied all the contents from the truck in a big pile.
Then not finding anything the cops just got back in there cars and drove off leaving the person they stopped to reload the truck along the freeway. Even someone that was disabled.
The cops working for Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, Az are well known for this on Interstate 10, Interstate 8 and Interstate 17.

and...

why is he running around with 50k in CASH again ?? ~~~!!

originally posted by: Komodo
and...

why is he running around with 50k in CASH again ?? ~~~!!

Why shouldn't he be?

Last time I checked having $50,000 in cash was not illegal?

So its no ones business

a reply to: Komodo

Guess what, it isnt your business, mine, or the cops...

See Free coun... sike...

a reply to: gladtobehere

Highway robbery? THAT is extortion, plain and simple. It's illegal.

However, it appears that many law enforcement agencies are learning from one of the best:


Therefore, when law enforcement does it, that means it's not illegal. Somehow this has got to change, it's only getting worse.

Drug dogs are not as reliable as people think. I was pulled over once with pot on me, the dog went around my car twice, then came to my window, stood up and stuck his head in the window, then placed his nose on my pocket EXACTLY where it was, all I did was start to pet the dog and say "Aww you're a pretty dog" and the dog just up and left me alone. Needless to say, after said stop I was thanking god for the freebie lol. I also knew I had a warrant for not reporting to probation for 4 years, I have no idea how I didn't go to jail that day.

a reply to: loveguy
He would have to go through a lengthy process which is designed to make it very difficult to get it back. IMO its more evidence that police have become a corrupt group of thugs.

originally posted by: olaru12

I wonder why all the ATS LEO mods don't respond to these reports anymore.

The last one I saw was from a long time cop poster who said he was getting out of the business.

The others are still too compartmentalized to believe there is anything wrong. All just "isolated incidents" despite national reach, constant repetition and training/recruiting that encourages this behavior.

Everythings rosey when all the #s in somebody elses garden. What they don't get or refuse to admit is that the #s creeping their way regardless of how "good" they are.

When I see stories like this I always wonder about the police involve. How many of them are a product of their environment ? After years of witnessing corruption, cover-ups, and all other mischievous actions. Being paid less and less with more and more taxes, do these people just crack and decide they are going to take a piece for themselves ? Or are they just sadistic and twisted after leaving training school ? No chance from the start.. either way is sad.

Namaste
~sacri~

I'm getting so incredibly sick of this.

Every goddamn day it's something new with cops. Abuse is beyond rampant.

This is far from the country I was told it was growing up. Every day there's yet another reason to consider moving abroad. I have that option but it makes me sick that most don't.