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originally posted by: LittleByLittle
From my point of view you can be a follower of any religion or lack of religion and still be my definition of a satanist. God have created ways for the ego demonic ones to fool themselves into believing they are right even when they are lost.
A sheep is a sheep by the fruits no matter if they are atheists or follow any religion. And even atheists are by Jesus words protected by him since they are following him in action just like Jesus preached.
The problem I have with some atheists is that they are close minded (boxed in) and will not believe in kundalini or Reiki even if I use scientific methods to prove it. But then I have the same problem with some people following certain religions who do not want the science of spirituality to be quantified like science and known and proven for all.
originally posted by: peter vlar
originally posted by: borntowatch
My agenda...is to hear a non believer say they want to stop the preaching of the gospel, stop people hearing and teaching the gospel and ultimately stop others from accepting Christ.
Oh, so you're seeking a predetermined and pre approved response that any derivation of would likely be considered untrue or invalid. In all fairness I would say that the percentage of atheists of the mind set you ascribe to us all is as small or smaller than the percentage of Christians who handle rattle snakes during services. Just because a person does not believe in god and has no use for religion in their life doesn't mean we want to begrudge you to pray to god, baby Jesus or flying monkeys for that matter. Im far more interested in how you treat me as a person than to who or what you pray to. What you seem incapable of accepting is that there is an appropriate place for preaching and teaching your scriptures. It is in your houses of worship, your Sunday schools, your summer time Jesus Camp's and your own homes. Hell, you can even stand on a street corner and yell scripture at the top of your lungs while wearing a sign board while pontificating that the end is nigh if it makes you happy.
The only place I really draw the line is I public, tax payer funded places like public schools, court houses and state and federal legislatures or opening public, community meetings with prayer. Not wanting Christianity forced upon my children in public school in no way shape or form compromises your ability to believe, pray or preach.
Even if I was still Catholic I wouldn't want someone else's interpretation of Christianity forced upon my kids. I don't know what your denomination is, but if you were for example a Southern Baptist, Would you want a Catholic or perhaps a Mormon interpretation of Christianity pushed on your offspring in a public school? I'm willing to bet not. You guys like to make Christianity sound like a one size fits all comfort sized box when its more like a Russian Matryoshka doll so please, do everyone a favor and step down off your cross and stop playing martyr. It's getting a little sad. And for the record, if I were proselytizing and a religion unto myself please send me my tex exempt status ASAP because if we taxed churches we could drastically reduce the national debt but since nobody will, atheists are obviously not their own proselytizing religion because we all pay our taxes.
originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: LittleByLittle
Another flat out lie, and another prime example of the TOTAL lack of understanding of who atheists are.
The problem I have with some atheists is that they are close minded (boxed in) and will not believe in kundalini or Reiki even if I use scientific methods to prove it. But then I have the same problem with some people following certain religions who do not want the science of spirituality to be quantified like science and known and proven for all.
I am an atheist. I believe, and have seen proof of, energy, chakras, etc.
originally posted by: borntowatch
No actually I am seeking the truth.
If I am wrong and thats not their agenda then fine I will accept that.
I am sure if you read my posts again you may well see I am not suggesting all atheists act in the same way, quite the opposite in fact, I have made it very clear I am not talking about the majority, just a fundamentalist minority, Ok?
As for my preaching, care to point it out, in this conspiracy in religions forum. Now lets see a conspiracy in religions forum, somewhere were religion and preaching is going to happen.
Preaching of atheism as well if you dont mind. Not that I have a problem with preachy atheists, you are welcome and I am happy to read and consider your position, if its of substance.
My issue is with comments that are irrelevant and of no value, I dont see the need for them, from either the religious or atheists.
Now what goes on in public schools, court houses and state and federal legislatures or opening public, community meetings, relating to prayer is none of my business, maybe like others in this thread you can stop people in your country having the democratic right to vote, take it away from them and you will get your way. Outside of that move to another state, country or run for office where you can dictate your own policy.
Sounds like you want everyone to get along, but only with you.
I know some things taught in schools borders on secular religions. I can live with that without a big song and dance.
and then finally lets not pretend atheism isnt its own bunch of Babooshka dolls.
Believe what you want, its your right, but as I said in the opening post , why the avalanches of inane anti religious rhetoric that offers no value.
Simple question, dont over think the question or over answer the question
originally posted by: borntowatch
Or propagate something else.
Are you denying some atheists dont make inane valueless comments
As for your republic, I guess if the majority want churches to have a tax free status, prayer in school, etc, majority rule.
Isnt that what a republic is based on?
originally posted by: borntowatch
Can we agree there are bad atheist comments and bad Christian comments at least
As for US politics, I dont understand it, dont really care to, maybe was a wrong assumption. Hence why I said "I guess".
Maybe the US political system is in a bad way if the majority are not heard.
Edit, just read what a Republic means, seems people have a right to pray in schools and not pay taxes, whats up with that.
Every person is sovereign to themselves
originally posted by: benrl
originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: benrl
Lots of people (such as yourself) seem unable to come to terms with the word atheist, despite that being exactly what you/they are.
Atheists dont by default claim that there is no god, most (such as you and I) state that we do not know, and so can be described as agnostic-atheists.....
atheist
Use Atheist in a sentence
a·the·ist [ey-thee-ist] Show IPA
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]
Pardon my ignorance, I use words as the English language defines them.
Not what ever niche group decides they mean.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: borntowatch
I agree with the OP but just for this forum, every other forum on ATS should be open for the atheists to vent and attack but this one. Why ? This forum is more for religious discussion within the context that God exists. This is not the forum to debate cosmology, abiogenesis, and evolution. It should be sort of a religious gusher sanctuary, Christians debating other Christians over dogma, of coarse other religions are able discuss as well but generally the discussions seem to focus on Judeo/Christian ideology. Of coarse sincere questions by agnostics are always welcome.
But why would a hardcore atheist troll these forums ? Really ? Seriously ?
It would be like me going in the Alien/UFO threads and mocking and trolling them, because I don't believe.
Why would I do that ? I wouldn't because I know it's stupid and rude.
originally posted by: puzzlesphere
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
I see ATS as an open forum.
Everyone is allowed to post everywhere as long as they do it in a civil manner.
What you and the OP are suggesting is exclusionary and insular, and there are many sites out there that are dedicated to theist mental masturbation, where certain thoughts and ideas are forbidden. Don't try to carve out a piece of ATS for a specific ideaologies circle jerk... welcome the colourful tapestry of diversity of thought.
This site is about denying ignorance, which means everything can be questioned in any context, as long as it is on topic. Any thread that contains the concept of God, by its very nature begs the question of there being no God, so it is relevant for an atheist or otherwise to question the perceived truth.
Whichever side is true actually doesn't matter in the face of lively debate.
;-j