The utter collapse of human civilization will be ‘difficult to avoid,’ NASA funded study says

After running the numbers on a set of four equations representing human society, a team of NASA-funded mathematicians has come to the grim conclusion that the utter collapse of human civilization will be “difficult to avoid.

Basically our species is doomed in the coming decades unless we take extreme measures to enforce eugenics and limit population growth or eliminate wealth inequality.

We all know that the latter isn't an option; we live in a world where greed is good, cash is king, and money talks while bulls*** walks.

The otherwise obscure report was first made public in a recent column in Britain’s The Guardian newspaper in which environment writer Nafeez Ahmed warned that it constituted a “highly credible wake-up call” and declared that its menu of suggested policy changes were “required immediately.”

There's been a good share gloom and doom porn regarding population growth, and this study may be the start of the process of justifying eugenics to the public. "We have to limit population growth otherwise we're all doomed!" Thus the social conditioning begins. Meanwhile income inequality shoots through the roof and any opinion that goes against it is deemed socialist.

In the first scenario the population of elites suddenly spikes after 750 years, causing a “scarcity of workers” that sounds the civilization’s death knell by year 1000.

The second, “full collapse” scenario has the elites and commoners irreparably eating up the Earth’s resources after 350 years, leading to a slow bleed that destroys both humans and the planet by year 500.

“We could posit that this buffer of wealth … allows Elites to continue ‘business as usual’ despite the impending catastrophe,” it continues, suggesting that these kind of “oblivious elites” destroyed the Mayans and the Romans.

The only two scenarios that do not kill everyone, in fact, are the ones in which birth rates are either strictly controlled or “resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion.”

The non-deadly scenarios “are designed to indicate the kinds of policies needed to avoid this catastrophic outcomes,” read the study.

Are we going to see lawmakers draft bills addressing this coming problem? Is there ANY chance the distribution of wealth will considered?

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Meh.. let it collapse .. world needs a reset ..

DestroyDestroyDestroy
Is there ANY chance the distribution of wealth will considered?

Erm..no.
Unless by considered, you mean enact laws to make it even more unbalanced, then sure...

Not to worry though, the corporation people and political party people will fare the impending issues without a problem.

Seriously, there's plenty of land for the population. I live around and have traveled to places with VAST amounts of land and vegetation. Who the fv@# believes ANYTHING NASA says? I can't believe with all the documentation of NASA's shenanagins that people here at ATS are buying into this. The Leeches That Be want it all to themselves. Hey, I'm going to coin that acronym, TLTB. Heard it here first, folks. Let's call them that. WE'RE the REAL powers that be.

Release the more efficient energy technology.

Who cares if power company workers lose jobs. We'll move to a society where you don't HAVE to be a slave at a job to be thrown bread at your table. Fund space exploration and colonization/expansion to have a plan B for population caps. The better world is waiting, problem is, too many just want to play king right now.

Just look at a map of the world at night sometime and see how much more development there is than undeveloped land.
Every time I see one it scares the crap out of me.

People are ignorant and have no concept of how unimaginably vast the number 7 billion is.

Expat888
Meh.. let it collapse .. world needs a reset ..

2nd...Sooner or later the host will get tired of the parasite and funnel all its energy into removing it.

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It may not be inevitable, if population controls are put in place, but since that doesn't seem likely to happen, it might be inevitable.

How many more times do we think the population can double without serious problems? It's not easy to predict the exact point where the downfall will occur because we will delay the inevitable, by figuring out how to make more fresh water so we can farm more desert, getting more energy out of the ground with more fracking, and other tricks probably yet to be developed. But the population can't keep doubling infinitely because the resources of the Earth aren't infinite.

Watch the first episode of the TV series "Terra Nova" which portrays an intolerable future where the family had an extra child they weren't supposed to have due to population control, and fled to the past to avoid the miserable state of affairs (cramped conditions, pollution, etc). Heck just go to Manila or Beijing today to see how bad the pollution is in those places already.

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This whole thing supposes that in 750 to 1000 years we wont have a different way to produce energy, or ROBOTS to do the work that men do now.....

You cant tell me that in that amount of time most things will not be automated by machine.......

This "study" basis its logic on todays standards, not where we will be technologically 1000 years from now.....

That alone should raise eyebrows on just how forward thinking these people really are to even begin to make their assumptions...

Seems to me someones just pushing an agenda and not thinking ahead logically........really really weak logic here...

Arbitrageur
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It may not be inevitable, if population controls are put in place, but since that doesn't seem likely to happen, it might be inevitable.

I couldn't agree more. Lately here in the US we have seem to taken a step backwards in protecting womens right to choose. I can't imagine people in the US accepting this. Lets not even get started on socialism here. Good ol America would never accept even if it ment thier death...

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Irrespective of the calculations or the intentions behind the study, there are FAR too many people on the planet. The world is not an infinite resource or an infinite garbage can. I KNOW that we think we're the neatest thing to come out since oxygen, but our natures en masse tend to result in the subjugation and elimination of other beings who call this crazy spaceship home. We also s**t where we sleep, eat too much, and listen to some truly godawful music.

Now back to my crazy-cool smart phone, dudes.

I just want to know how wealth equality is going to solve anything. At least 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day, imagine if every single person of the planet was wealthy enough to afford a large house (deforestation), a car (pollution), and all the modern conveniences like fast food (animal farming), large shopping malls and tar roads everywhere (more destruction of the natural environment), and everything else that comes along with living a first world life style. Making everyone in the world wealthy would dramatically speed up the collapse process. It's sad to realize that harsh fact, but it is the truth.

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People are ignorant and have no concept of how unimaginably vast the number 7 billion is.

It is a very large number, but to get some perspective, realize that All Humans On Earth Would Fit Into One 900 Meter-Wide Ball. The problem is not the current population size, the problem is how fast the population will grow when it follows a compounding growth trend.

Wow,

Whats up with all the NASA doom porn all of the sudden?

Seems as if they might be ailing towards a certain agenda, hmmm imagine that. Gotta keep daddy happy to keep the funds rolling in.

I used to really like NASA.

Oppositional humans lol! When some tool like a TV evangelist or conspiracy theorist lays on that 'End is nigh' shtick, a lot of people start stocking up on supplies and twitching with their bug-out-bags. Then a bunch of scientists from (gasp!) NASA, come up with a scenario that says the same thing and people turn on their their BS-ometers and cry foul.

The NASA-funded HANDY model offers a highly credible wake-up call to governments, corporations and business - and consumers - to recognise that 'business as usual' cannot be sustained, and that policy and structural changes are required immediately.

Although the study based on HANDY is largely theoretical - a 'thought-experiment' - a number of other more empirically-focused studies - by KPMG and the UK Government Office of Science for instance - have warned that the convergence of food, water and energy crises could create a 'perfect storm' within about fifteen years. But these 'business as usual' forecasts could be very conservative.

Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

At this point in history, from our 'Elite' positions, we have the luxury of subjective opinions. 'Climate change?' Don't make me laugh! 'Unsustainable consumption??' GTFO!! 'Western societal collapse?!' Societal? WTF does that mean?? 'Overpopulation??' It's a Liberal conspiracy to tax the family unit! 'Energy conservation?' Ha! Typical Conservative tax hikes to screw the working Joe!

We want it all ways and then some more. If and when the 'world as we know it' shifts against our favour, it'll be our children's children that get to deal with however it goes down.

This would be easy to fix, better energy conversion/storage and very hot life like robot women. There would be alot less arguements/babies, thats for sure. Then again a super virus that made people scary smart would do it too as smart people breed less or not at all.

What genius these scientists possess! Redistribution of wealth, that always works. Why look at how well it's working in Venezuela right now!



This food line is only 4 miles long. All that oil wealth certainly has been put to good use now that the "people" own it.

There are so many other examples like North Korea and Detroit.

It is astonishing to me that they continue to push the blatant lie of wealth redistribution and socialism as a solution to poverty. The only thing that ever helps poverty is more Jesus and more capitalism. But the elite won't be promoting any of those things.

We're not in danger. In the very near future, we will be putting humans on Mars and will possibly begin terraforming the moon or Mars. When that happens, we'll be thriving better than ever. And when we are able to go even farther, which I believe we will, resources will be unlimited. That means conflict over resources will die down too. Good days ahead.

SevenThunders
What genius these scientists possess! Redistribution of wealth, that always works. Why look at how well it's working in Venezuela right now!

This food line is only 4 miles long. All that oil wealth certainly has been put to good use now that the "people" own it.

There are so many other examples like North Korea and Detroit.

It is astonishing to me that they continue to push the blatant lie of wealth redistribution and socialism as a solution to poverty. The only thing that ever helps poverty is more Jesus and more capitalism. But the elite won't be promoting any of those things.

This picture looks like many homeless shelters across America at 6pm. Waiting for dinner and a bed for the night.

Like most doom porn articles put out these days it's crap but it has a purpose .I notice that some of the language they use is also used in the doom porn climate change ,we must act immediately , apocalyptic , major policy changes , humanity is essentially doomed , difficult to avoid ,highly credible wake-up call ,

All this is to condition as many of the masses as they can .This new world order that we have been waiting for ? Well it requires ,what is suggested in these media spun articles so we go along with them ...Here is a link to a 1/2 hour lecture that might help you see what is going on with these types of pieces . See if you can pick up on how and why ... www.augustforecast.com... peace