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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Can you give a biblical definition for "saved"?
f salvation is through faith, can someone continue to live a wicked life after they've been saved?
Here is another one of your problems, you don't understand the Bible.
Considering that every "evil/wicked/sinful" thought that passes through ones mind is counted as a "tick" of sin, how could anyone in the entire world be saved?
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
OK, but where does the Bible define it as such?
Everlasting life in heaven, in my opinion, is the definition of "saved"
All you are doing is quoting a verse that says, "everlasting life", then giving citations of verses with the word "salvation" in it.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Salvation itself seems to be the actual act of or ticket to everlasting life with God.
Well, it doesn't seem to be working very well for you.
I'm of the opinion that one doesn't need Bible commentaries to understand the Bible.
jmdewey60
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Well, it doesn't seem to be working very well for you.
I'm of the opinion that one doesn't need Bible commentaries to understand the Bible.
The Bible was written like two thousand years ago and people have problems understanding something written three hundred years ago without some sort of commentary.
OK, "everlasting" is an English word, so from the first word you need another book at least, as a reference, even if it is a lexicon, to understand what it means, and doubly so if your intention is to use your reading to develop your own theology.
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OK, no, because you don't get the rhetoric, and this is something that takes real scholars who have PHD's in this, that learned from not just the Bible but all the literature that existed in the time that the Bible was written.
If you read the verses, you'll see the context of what salvation means.
jmdewey60
For example, the passage in Ephesians that you extracted that little phrase from, you probably didn't realize that it is part of a single sentence that is eleven verses long.
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Sorry about the tone, and I am aware of it, and not happy about it, but I feel like you have sort of retrograded, if that's the right term, but have slipped into the pop-culture religion a little too much, where before you seemed to have a decent outlook, not going with the crowd.
Why would I need a lexicon when it was translated over 400 years ago by 50 or more of the best linguists/scholars of the day?
That seems almost asinine. I also appreciate the condescending "tone" you've taken with me!
I'm just saying, that you set up a hypothetical situation where the outcome is dependent on how you define all the terms in its statement, and can't give concrete definitions for them.
could you try to quit derailing the thread and taking it off topic, and posit something to the OP?
Paul creates something new from an existing word, Faith, to mean the thing in the new covenant that fills the same sort of role as the Law filled in the old covenant.
It’s noteworthy, and notorious, that Paul and James make opposite-sounding statements about this verse. Paul relies upon it for his claim that Abraham was justified by his Faith.
jmdewey60
Paul creates something new from an existing word, Faith, to mean the thing in the new covenant that fills the same sort of role as the Law filled in the old covenant.
His point was that there was a fundamental law that existed before there was the old written Mosaic Law.