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originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: angelchemuel
As I expected, only posturing and distortion of facts.
Allow me to explain, the symbol she is wearing is nothing more than Ukraine's national symbol from its coat of arms, the trident:
Nothing to do with the far-right symbolism shown in the other photos, unrelated to events in Odessa.
Also, after watching on live stream for about 4-5 hours the events in Odessa prior and during the burning of the Union Trade House, I have failed to see even a single Right Sector, neo-nazi, far right symbol, being worn by anyone on the pro-Ukraine rally. Most of them were wearing, one way or another, the Ukrainian flag or its symbol, the trident.
I won't ask for any other evidence because clearly you have none. Have a good day/evening.
Or the Right Sector flag
It is the broadest and most longstanding symbol of Ukrainian national identity.
By your logic, I suppose every use of the Ay-yildiz ☪ (star and crescent) is proof of Islamic fundamentalism?
Or every time the American flag is used it is a symbol of the Klu Klux Klan?
originally posted by: angelchemuel
Thank you all for pointing out the Trident and its association to Ukraine. However and whatever it does not mitigate the fact that these young girls are obviously making Molotov cocktails which, from what I saw happening, were used on the building where people had taken refuge.
@howardamos: Pro-Maidan guys gathered at the top of Potemkin steps. Small Right Sector units appear to be taking up positions in nearby courtyards.
@howardamos: Well armed pro-Maidan guys number about a thousand. Can see approximately 20 police.
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: Dutzy
a reply to: angelchemuel
As I expected, only posturing and distortion of facts.
Allow me to explain, the symbol she is wearing is nothing more than Ukraine's national symbol from its coat of arms, the trident:
Nothing to do with the far-right symbolism shown in the other photos, unrelated to events in Odessa.
Also, after watching on live stream for about 4-5 hours the events in Odessa prior and during the burning of the Union Trade House, I have failed to see even a single Right Sector, neo-nazi, far right symbol, being worn by anyone on the pro-Ukraine rally. Most of them were wearing, one way or another, the Ukrainian flag or its symbol, the trident.
I won't ask for any other evidence because clearly you have none. Have a good day/evening.
Or the Right Sector flag
It is the broadest and most longstanding symbol of Ukrainian national identity.
By your logic, I suppose every use of the Ay-yildiz ☪ (star and crescent) is proof of Islamic fundamentalism?
Or every time the American flag is used it is a symbol of the Klu Klux Klan?
??? I was pointing out what parties use it on their flags and symbols, so my proof gets dismissed because why? You say so, people were caught with this symbol on their chest making molotov cocktails and I would like to think it is the more radical elements here at work, you want to see them as ordinary people and defend the right sector, ok!? That's your right I suppose..... Why do you think that it is ordinary people and not right sector?
originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ALoveSupreme
Yes two ladies that look like they are under duress strolling along with molotov's in hand while the police behind them are doing # all but march on ignoring them, if the police really wanted to protect anyone they would be stopping those women rather than ignoring them, bit ironic too she is carrying a molotov and wearing a peace t-shirt.
originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ALoveSupreme
Yes two ladies that look like they are under duress strolling along with molotov's in hand while the police behind them are doing # all but march on ignoring them, if the police really wanted to protect anyone they would be stopping those women rather than ignoring them, bit ironic too she is carrying a molotov and wearing a peace t-shirt.
Not sure what your argument is here. No, these are not 'Right Sector' paramilitaries. These are Ukrainian youth from Odessa, a place where an overwhelming majority oppose separatism.
If you were a teenager and a foreign country was literally invading your lands and sending agent provocateurs to your city who shot at your friends, you might participate in the ugliness of violence. You do not have to be an inhuman monster to feel hatred.
Hans de Vreij @hdevreij
#Ukraine: from the Jewish Agency report: "town of Slovyansk launched a TV channel in order to 'attack Zionist broadcasting' as they put it
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ALoveSupreme
Yes two ladies that look like they are under duress strolling along with molotov's in hand while the police behind them are doing # all but march on ignoring them, if the police really wanted to protect anyone they would be stopping those women rather than ignoring them, bit ironic too she is carrying a molotov and wearing a peace t-shirt.
Not sure what your argument is here. No, these are not 'Right Sector' paramilitaries. These are Ukrainian youth from Odessa, a place where an overwhelming majority oppose separatism.
If you were a teenager and a foreign country was literally invading your lands and sending agent provocateurs to your city who shot at your friends, you might participate in the ugliness of violence. You do not have to be an inhuman monster to feel hatred.
I made my point in it, if the Ukraine police present were trying to stop this why are they letting people through with molotov's?
This shows some fat # shooting at the building while people are trying to escape,where are the pro Kiev police to stop him?
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ALoveSupreme
Yes two ladies that look like they are under duress strolling along with molotov's in hand while the police behind them are doing # all but march on ignoring them, if the police really wanted to protect anyone they would be stopping those women rather than ignoring them, bit ironic too she is carrying a molotov and wearing a peace t-shirt.
Not sure what your argument is here. No, these are not 'Right Sector' paramilitaries. These are Ukrainian youth from Odessa, a place where an overwhelming majority oppose separatism.
If you were a teenager and a foreign country was literally invading your lands and sending agent provocateurs to your city who shot at your friends, you might participate in the ugliness of violence. You do not have to be an inhuman monster to feel hatred.
I made my point in it, if the Ukraine police present were trying to stop this why are they letting people through with molotov's?
This shows some fat # shooting at the building while people are trying to escape,where are the pro Kiev police to stop him?
originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: ALoveSupreme
Yes two ladies that look like they are under duress strolling along with molotov's in hand while the police behind them are doing # all but march on ignoring them, if the police really wanted to protect anyone they would be stopping those women rather than ignoring them, bit ironic too she is carrying a molotov and wearing a peace t-shirt.
Not sure what your argument is here. No, these are not 'Right Sector' paramilitaries. These are Ukrainian youth from Odessa, a place where an overwhelming majority oppose separatism.
If you were a teenager and a foreign country was literally invading your lands and sending agent provocateurs to your city who shot at your friends, you might participate in the ugliness of violence. You do not have to be an inhuman monster to feel hatred.
I made my point in it, if the Ukraine police present were trying to stop this why are they letting people through with molotov's?
This shows some fat # shooting at the building while people are trying to escape,where are the pro Kiev police to stop him?
Unfortunately most of us have already seen and discussed these images.
(Many of us actually watched this unfold live.)
With regards to the Odessa police -- on the whole they were pretty useless defending either side against violence.
originally posted by: Dutzy
Irony in E Ukraine, when those claiming to fight neo-nazis, turn out to be fighting zionist propaganda as well:
Hans de Vreij @hdevreij
#Ukraine: from the Jewish Agency report: "town of Slovyansk launched a TV channel in order to 'attack Zionist broadcasting' as they put it