Is Hunter guilty of a gun charge or is that unconstitutional?

a reply to: quintessentone

So are morphine, codeine, fentanyl, methadone etc,..... and long term pain patients are physically addicted. I was on them for years and bought guns.

So, are those who are under long term pain management criminals ?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Maybe for someone like you, but for us living in the real world, it is not constituted under drug when purchasing a firearm.

Is alcohol tested for in a DRUG test? Don't think so

BTW: This is how the question reads on the form "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

Alcohol does not fall in this question, so yes, your statement is a complete non sequitur.

Alcohol is a depressant and affects behaviour...there is something seriously wrong when 'using' or 'addicted to' alcohol is not included in that question when it affects thinking and behaviour.

​Alcohol is a depressant drug that can slow down the parts of the brain that affect thinking, behaviour, breathing and heart rate.

now you have me confused. Are you arguing that Hunter should be guilty and do time for lying on the app?

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: quintessentone

So are morphine, codeine, fentanyl, methadone etc,..... and long term pain patients are physically addicted. I was on them for years and bought guns.

So, are those who are under long term pain management criminals ?

The question needs to include any drug that causes mental and or emotional impairment which can change one's behaviour, is my point.

a reply to: quintessentone
Alcohol is not a controlled substances, narcotic, stimulant and therefore does not fall under that question.

And pay close attention to the very first part of that question "unlawful user", last I checked it was not illegal to drink, unless you are under 21.

Should you have to disclose if you're an alcoholic when you buy a car?

a reply to: quintessentone

So, diabetics who don't take their insulin should be on the list ?

Ever seen a diabetic when their blood sugar spikes or bottoms out ? They get pretty damn erratic.

By that logic, a very large percentage of people on this planet should be disqualified.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone
Alcohol is not a controlled substances, narcotic, stimulant and therefore does not fall under that question.

And pay close attention to the very first part of that question "unlawful user", last I checked it was not illegal to drink, unless you are under 21.

Should you have to disclose if you're an alcoholic when you buy a car?

Do you think alcoholics should be driving cars?

a reply to: quintessentone

Who are you to judge if someone is an alcoholic?

You going to start going around and stopping people from driving because you think they are an alcoholic?

a reply to: quintessentone

Caffeine, sugar, gluten, nicotine can all be classified as a "drug" under your "logic". All of these can affect a persons mental and/or physical state, should anyone who uses any of these be prohibited from buying guns as well?

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: network dude

I'm not interested in the gun charge.

I want the charges for fraud, money laundering, corruption, sex trafficking...

Hunter suing the IRS has opened pandoras Discovery box.

WOW are you guys playing right into the left's bait -
they have succeeded in derailment of the topic the Biden crime family -
start examining minutia like what substance abuse should be reported on a gun application.
This diversion was started on purpose to derail the thread.
You guys fell for it and the scam "prosecution" wins the day.

Open your eyes, you are being trolled and fell for it.

The gun charges are so the justice system can claim there is no 2 tiered system of justice.

Meanwhile, the Biden extortion behavior as VP is ignored.

There is lots of proof Biden himself threatened to withhold foreign aid as VP unless the prosecutor in a foreign country agreed to drop an investigation against the head of his crime family, Hunter. They did, Biden paid up. Does the in the pocket of Democrats" justice system care - NO

The gun charge is a false flag that will end with no jail time for Hunter. Meanwhile the justice system says, see we prosecute Democrats, just not for extortion that borders on treason. Especially if it is Democrat Party Politicians doing it.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Who are you to judge if someone is an alcoholic?

You going to start going around and stopping people from driving because you think they are an alcoholic?

You avoided answering a direct question.

It's mind boggling to me how the topic of alcohol abuse and gun/car ownership and use while under the influence is defended with such vigor here.

The findings are important for public policy. Much of the debate surrounding guns in America has focused on gun control and people with mental illness. But while the connection between mental illness and carrying out violent acts is shoddy, the research suggests that alcohol abuse is a very strong predictor of violent crimes. Yet most states — all but three and Washington, DC, according to the study — have unenforceable or no laws that restrict access to guns for people with histories of alcohol abuse.

And across the country, there is a lot that could be done to restrict the kind of access to alcohol that enables abuse — but is rarely mentioned in public policy conversations.

www.vox.com...

Television shows often display drug dealers carrying guns and engaging in violence. Further, when there is a mass shooting, many people across the country call for better mental health access. However, the link between guns, drugs and mental health can seem murky. Studies have shown a link between gun violence and substance use. Additionally, links between drinking and certain mental health problems may be associated with gun violence. Understanding the relationship between guns, drugs, drinking and mental health is complex.

www.therecoveryvillage.com...

And BTW if they are going to crucify Hunter then they need to crucify all others who are abusing substances and who also lied on the form, but that's not happening nor is likely to happen now is it?

a reply to: quintessentone

I don't feel necessary to further the derailment of the thread over off topic comments like alcohol when it is clearly not covered on the form under drug.



"Television shows often display drug dealers carrying guns and engaging in violence."

Really? Do I have to explain this to you or are you going to realize how idiotic you sound for bringing up drug dealers with guns in a debate over lawful gun ownership.

BTW, if those who lied on their forms, as Hunter did, were proven to have done so then yes they would be punished as well. But we all know that daddy dearest won't let Hunter take the fall and be held accountable for lying on a federal document.

a reply to: The2Billies

There is wide agreement that anti-corruption must be at the top of this list, and that reforms must include an overhaul of the Prosecutor General’s Office including removal of Prosecutor General Shokin, who is widely regarded as an obstacle to fighting corruption, if not a source of the problem.

Source

That is from a State Department memo that was provided to Biden prior to his trip to Ukraine.

a reply to: quintessentone

It is mind boggling

how so many fell for

the diversion of the left

and engaged in it

it is a scam diversion

to get off the real topic

of the unequal justice system

and the Biden crime family

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: The2Billies

"There is wide agreement that anti-corruption must be at the top of this list, and that reforms must include an overhaul of the Prosecutor General’s Office including removal of Prosecutor General Shokin, who is widely regarded as an obstacle to fighting corruption, if not a source of the problem."
Source

That is from a State Department memo that was provided to Biden prior to his trip to Ukraine.

Which is why he told them

either you stop investigating Hunter

OR ELSE

NO US foreign aid for you.

They fired the prosecutor.

Biden forked over the money.

OK, you rationalize extortion to get his son off the hook

as a way to end corruption.

Really?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

I don't feel necessary to further the derailment of the thread over off topic comments like alcohol when it is clearly not covered on the form under drug.



"Television shows often display drug dealers carrying guns and engaging in violence."

Really? Do I have to explain this to you or are you going to realize how idiotic you sound for bringing up drug dealers with guns in a debate over lawful gun ownership.

BTW, if those who lied on their forms, as Hunter did, were proven to have done so then yes they would be punished as well. But we all know that daddy dearest won't let Hunter take the fall and be held accountable for lying on a federal document.

Did you gloss over the meat of the article, that being drinking and gun violence?

a reply to: quintessentone

Most of which is carried out by ILLEGAL gun owners.....are you that ignorant?

93% of guns used in crimes are purchased illegally (not at stores or gun shows)

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: quintessentone

So, diabetics who don't take their insulin should be on the list ?

Ever seen a diabetic when their blood sugar spikes or bottoms out ? They get pretty damn erratic.

By that logic, a very large percentage of people on this planet should be disqualified.

Type 1 fluctuations are rare, grasping at straws much?

BTW: This is how the question reads on the form "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

However, depression can be a factor, just how severe?, along with other mental health issues, along with substance abuse...then there is an issue which the form needs to ask, or have their doctor sign the form that this person's condition is not severe enough to cause any negative mental or emotional issues.

a reply to: PorkChop96

You always have to result to insults don't you, not a good look.

Alcohol abuse needs to be included in that form, or a doctor's okay.

Heavy substance use is one of the strongest predictors of future firearm violence (Friedman 1998; Goldstein et al. 1989; Grann and Fazel 2004; McMillen et al. 1992; Swanson 1996; Dorn et al. 2012). A study examining substance misuse and violent crime found 20–25% of violence could be attributed to alcohol and drug use disorders (Grann and Fazel 2004). The relationship seems to be especially strong for alcohol and firearm violence: A systematic review and meta-analysis found that 34% of firearm homicide perpetrators, 30.2% of firearm homicide victims, and 25.7% of firearm suicide victims were acutely intoxicated at the time of the event (Branas et al. 2016).

When restricting firearm ownership based on an alcohol-related misdemeanor conviction, firearm-related homicide decreased by 1.0% [95% CI 0.4–1.6%] and 1.3% [95% CI 0.7–1.9%] for 5- and 10-year intervention scenarios respectively. Under this same restriction, firearm-related suicide decreased by 3.0% [95% CI 1.9–4.0%] and 4.6% [95% CI 3.5–5.8%] respectively. Disqualification based on any alcohol-related arrest produced a similar reduction in homicide than restrictions based on a misdemeanor conviction. Firearm-related homicide decreased by 1.1% [95% CI 0.4–1.7%] and 1.8% [95% CI 1.2–2.5%] for 5- and 10-year intervention scenarios respectively. Under this same restriction firearm-related suicide decreased by 3.7% [95% CI 2.4–5.0%] and 4.8% [95% CI 3.4–6.1%] respectively.

Within these subpopulations, the greatest reduction in firearm homicide and suicide was found among people with a prior history of alcohol misdemeanors.

Based on the existing evidence reviewed above, the Federal Consortium on Risk Based Firearms Policy recommends disqualifying those with a second drug- or alcohol-related misdemeanor offense from purchasing or possessing firearms. Our simulation study suggests that larger population-level shifts in firearm violence could be produced by disqualifying people from having firearms after the first drug- or alcohol-related conviction or arrest. However, such findings need to be considered alongside potential concerns with such high-risk approaches to addressing firearm violence, including whether targeting such groups may deter them from seeking treatment for substance use disorders, and whether this type of approach limits the rights of already disenfranchised groups. This is a particularly important concern given the documented racial/ethnic discrimination by police, and thus racial/ethnic inequalities in the probability of being arrested or convicted for a substance-related incident.

injepijournal.biomedcentral.com...

The left doesn't seem too concerned about gun crimes or preventative "commonsense" gun laws unless there is a political point to be gained.

One would think unhinged sex crazed crack addicts would be the last people the left wants to lie to acquire guns, but naw.

a reply to: quintessentone

It was far from an insult, unless you feel like you are that ignorant? It was a question and you answered it perfectly.


Just because you want to take guns away from lawful owners does not mean that they need to add verbiage to make you feel better.

What is a doctor going to "ok" for you on a form they have no business being involved with? Are you saying that everyone that drinks, no matter the volume, needs to get a doctors note okaying them to buy a gun because you feel that it's not okay that people who drink can buy guns but crack user can't?