Company gives FBI gun safe combo

Nathan Hughes himself confirmed the story the next day, saying in a video posted on X that Liberty Safe gave the FBI "a master code to get into my gun safe." He added, "Pretty crazy, didn't know safe companies would do that, so I feel like a lot of our gun safes are not actually safe."

Why would he not know the police can get a warrant and get into anything? They can take a phone and have an expert crack it and go through it looking for evidence. They can get a warrant and take a safe or actually force open a safe, burn through it if they have to. They can get a warrant and bring digging equipment and tear up your basement and start digging for bodies.

All it takes is a warrant. And a judge has to approve one.

Thinking personal property cannot be investigated is just naive.

a reply to: Mahogany

I have an old safe that is completely manual. No master codes. That a company would do this shows they are not patriots just more woke tards following the dollars..
3rd reich collaborators: "We were just following orders" Nevermind the police are lawless.

If the FBI wants into the safe they are going to get in. A safe is designed only to slow down thieves and to protect the contents from fire. If a thief or the FBI wants in, they will get in. The thief is concerned about the amount of time, effort and noise. All of these increase the thief's chances of getting caught. The FBI could just bring a K-12 and open that safe like a pop can.

I've opened heavy duty padlocks in seconds by dumping liquid nitrogen over them and hitting them with a hammer. I wasn't stealing anything, just opening some old electrical housings that had their keys lost.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

How is this any different than the Apple iPhone vs. FBI case over the passwords? Courts ordered that the manufacturer has to hand over the password. Other than one being digital and one being physical I can't see a difference. Then again I'm of the belief that if you have nothing to hide, who cares? But that's just me and I know many on this board do not trust the FBI.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Mahogany

I have an old safe that is completely manual. No master codes. That a company would do this shows they are not patriots just more woke tards following the dollars..
3rd reich collaborators: "We were just following orders" Nevermind the police are lawless.

They HAVE TO cooperate with the police... thin blue line... remember? I'm having a hard time understanding why this is so hard to understand.

It's literally a 2 1/2 year investigation, where thousands of warrants were issued by the very same judges presiding over the cases.

If this guy thought putting something in a safe and locking it meant it was cut off from the world, and the police couldn't get a warrant to open it... then he is not very smart at all.

originally posted by: CanadianLoudMouth
a reply to: Ravenwatcher

How is this any different than the Apple iPhone vs. FBI case over the passwords? Courts ordered that the manufacturer has to hand over the password. Other than one being digital and one being physical I can't see a difference. Then again I'm of the belief that if you have nothing to hide, who cares? But that's just me and I know many on this board do not trust the FBI.

Until "nothing to hide" works both ways, that doesn't work. The FBI has a lot to hide, and if unhidden, their brass would all be in prison right now. Like the Gestapo, it will continue until their destruction.

The Gestapo loved it when common citizens jumped on their bandwagon and helped them by parroting "If you have nothing to hide" It's all just fine.

I don't know, I just think of this from a practical perspective. I have guns at home. I'm a hunter, as are many in this part of the country. If the RCMP showed up at my door and wanted to see my gun cabinet I have zero reason not to let them have a look? Why? Because I have nothing to hide. Everything is on the up and up. Guns are registered, everything was done by the book. Ammo locked up separately. Etc.

That having been said I've been lurking on this board and do understand that many on here do not trust law enforcement or the government, so that's cool, we all have our takes on things.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
I think people are forgetting how easy it is to change the combo on your gun safe.....smh


And in no way is this me condoning what Liberty Safes did, but still, little bit of a knee jerk reaction if you ask me.

My truck has a programmable keypad but Im pretty sure the original factory code is permanently in the program.
Not sure if the safe in question is the same way but it's very likely that way

a reply to: CanadianLoudMouth

I wouldn't let them see mine without a warrant.

But if they came with a warrant, absolutely, come on in. Everything is registered and I have a conceal carry permit.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Ima law-abiding citizen.

The Feebee's, the police, the government can just come into my home and I will give them every registered forearm I own.

a reply to: Mahogany

No they don't have to comply. No one does.

It's a choice between compliance whether it is right or wrong, and accepting the consequences for either choice.

Freedom has never been free or easy.

The FBI is now the rogue enforcement arm of the Democratic National Convention. Don't comply.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Mahogany

No they don't have to comply. No one does.

It's a choice between compliance whether it is right or wrong, and accepting the consequences for either choice.

Freedom has never been free or easy.

The FBI is now the rogue enforcement arm of the Democratic National Convention. Don't comply.

In our society, following the law is right.

If you keep thinking like this guy, you might end up in the same situation as him. Don't be naive. The police have a right to investigate anything a judge agrees with after seeing the evidence for the warrant. And any individual or company has to abide by the laws in place. No one is above the law.

a reply to: Mahogany

I agree following the law, but also believe in due process. This guy probably didn't do anything wrong, he's just a target of Obama/Pelosi/Biden Jan6 illegal witch hunts.

They are only doing this to embellish their fraudulent election victory and to give it the appearance of legality.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Mahogany

I agree following the law, but also believe in due process. This guy probably didn't do anything wrong, he's just a target of Obama/Pelosi/Biden Jan6 illegal witch hunts.

And that's a valid opinion. I suggest we leave it at that.

Have a good day today, NCA.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher
Well I won't be buying any product from this company It out right gave the FBI a customers combo to their gun safe without a warrant just handed it over , Is that even legal ?

"Popular gun safe company Liberty Safe is facing intense backlash after providing the Federal Bureau of Investigation with the password to a customer's safe at the law enforcement agency's request, and conservative influencers are now calling for boycotting the brand."

Americans have absolutely no privacy anymore whats next Banks giving up your pin codes passwords car companies giving keys to your car ?


link

"Liberty Safe admitted in a statement Tuesday that it gave the FBI the access code to the safe of an individual for whom the FBI had a warrant to search their property after receiving the agency's request on Aug. 30."

The FBI submitted a search warrant to Liberty Safe & Liberty Safe has a policy of giving a master code to the FBI/Police if they submit a search warrant.
The FBI would have otherwise seized the safe & cut it open , so what is the issue here ?
It’s not as if the feds showed up out of the blue for haha then called Liberty Safe on random for access codes ?
Nathan Hughes is under investigation for his participation in the J6th attack on the Capital.
Play dumb games & you will lose your rights , thats how America always has worked .
Why didn’t Nathan just open the safe for the FBI if he didn’t do anything wrong or have illegal things in that safe ?

a reply to: CanadianLoudMouth

A few years ago I went to a shooting competition. I put my guns in locked cases, my ammo in a different locked case and put them all in the trunk of my car. After the competition I was on my way home and was stopped at a check point. I wasn't worried about DUI, I don't drink when I shoot. I provided the requested paperwork and blew into the tube. Everything was fine. As I was getting back into my car I was asked if it was OK to search my car? I said "No.", tossed my keys on the front seat, hit the door lock button and closed the door locking myself out. I then sat on the front of my car. The cop patted me down, and ran his hand along the inside of the wheel wells, looking for spare keys. Finally he said "You only screwed yourself." and left. I waited about 15 minutes, reached into my wallet and pulled out a set of credit card keys, opened the door and left.

I had nothing to hide. All of my guns were legally owned. I had no handguns with me, so none of them were required to be registered and I wasn't required to have my permit on me.

The reason that I refused the search was that the Township that pulled me over had a reputation of confiscating all guns that they found and only returning them after a lawsuit was filed. If I had agreed to the search, my weapons would have been taken and it would have cost me a great deal of time and money to get them back, if I even could.
My reason for locking my car was that to search it, they would have had to break into it. That would give credibility to my saying that I declined the search. It also would have made it a violation of my Rights and would have moved it to State Court instead of the Local Magistrate.

Right now there is distrust of the Police, including the FBI. Much of that distrust has been earned.

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Mahogany

No they don't have to comply. No one does.

It's a choice between compliance whether it is right or wrong, and accepting the consequences for either choice.

Freedom has never been free or easy.

The FBI is now the rogue enforcement arm of the Democratic National Convention. Don't comply.

In our society, following the law is right.

If you keep thinking like this guy, you might end up in the same situation as him. Don't be naive. The police have a right to investigate anything a judge agrees with after seeing the evidence for the warrant. And any individual or company has to abide by the laws in place. No one except Hunter Biden is above the law.

a reply to: JIMC5499

To me that definitely sounds like the local police are doing stuff they shouldn't be. Honestly I've never heard of such a case here in Canada, maybe that's why I'm more trusting. If they are going to confiscate legal firearms they have to have a damn good reason. There are a few guys I do know that did lose their guns for up to a year, but they were all doing # they shouldn't be doing while hunting and got busted. Either way I've never heard of it happening without cause.

a reply to: psychotrail

Nathan Hughes is under investigation for his participation in the J6th attack on the Capital.

There was an attack?

That's weird, it sure looked like a staged event full of photo ops, followed by a breach of the Capitol before most of the protesters, down the street at the Trump rally, even showed up. This event curiously played into the hands of legislators who did not want to look at or even acknowledge election fraud evidence, let alone give the States more time to investigate.

Have a look:

wooznews Everything Wrong With The Staged Capitol Riots In 889 Angles Jan6th insurrection



Jan. 6 footage shows Capitol cops escorting QAnon Shaman to Senate floor

a reply to: CanadianLoudMouth

Welcome to the USA. I live in Western Pennsylvania. The closer you get to Pittsburgh, the more things like this happen. I live about 40 miles north of it. Where I live, it isn't unusual to run into the Sheriff at one of the Social Clubs and hand him an envelope with the paperwork and a check to renew your CCP, then slide by the office a few days later and pick it up.

If you look at a voting map of Pennsylvania, you will see a Blue spot around Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Erie, Harrisburg and a few other places. The rest of the map is red. Those Blue areas are the problem areas. The Township I was in was a Blue area. Ten miles North of where this happened, I'd have tossed the cop my keys and said "Go ahead". We'd have stood there for 20 or so minutes talking guns and then I would have locked up the cases and headed home.

The Township that I was stopped in is a heavily controlled Democrat area. Yes, which Party is in charge does matter. They are heavily anti-gun. 99% of the time if they stop somebody, they don't know their rights and many times they decide that it's not worth the time and expense to try to get their gun back. The next election they will brag about how they took X number of guns off the street.

In these areas the Police are heavily controlled by the Politicians. In 2020 you saw video of all of these "protests". Every one of them happened in a Democrat controlled area like that Township. Where the Police were actually ordered to protect the protesters from people who were protecting their property or just trying to get out of the way.

This is where the Police are earning the distrust of the people.