There Are No Adult Leftists

originally posted by: Disgusted123
"The progressive socialist leftists, aka Democrat party, are more concerned about appeasement, negotiating, acquiescing, and compromising with delusional, deranged brats because that is the nature of the progressive socialist left, Marxists"

They left out "Communist". LOL!

What a bunch of dog whistles nonsense.

As a middle of the road independent, I pay attention to both sides and visit websites that could be considered fringe, on both ends of the spectrum. Myself, I lean a bit in each direction. I support gun rights, but I also support social nets for the elderly and the infirm, and so on. I support free market capitalism, but I also think we could do more to make higher education affordable to all, perhaps even free. It would be best for the future of our nation, and make sure we stay on top. Education is paramount.

As such a person, I can tell you what I see when I visit lefty websites. There is one common theme that unites them all, and that is they believe the country would devolve into tyranny, and would become a dictatorship under a far-right strongman. These other things you mention... appeasement, acquiescing the brats and so on... that is all secondary and fades in comparison to what they believe is a fight against tyranny. A fight to preserve democracy.

Just go check it out yourself and you'll see it. It's the number one fear people talk about. It's what animates them.

originally posted by: Mahogani
they believe is a fight against tyranny. A fight to preserve democracy..

... and people on the right say the same thing, that they are fighting to preserve the country and democracy from the far left socialist cancel-culture mob.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Mahogani
they believe is a fight against tyranny. A fight to preserve democracy..

... and people on the right say the same thing, that they are fighting to preserve the country and democracy from the far left socialist cancel-culture mob.

I know. In many ways it's had to tell them apart.

Sometimes when I'm on a lefty forum reading what they say, it sounds the same as ATS. I think a fringe mindset, a culture bred on fear, will ultimately end up looking the same.

At least it's what I'm seeing.

USA could really do well with less extreme thinking on both sides.

It's "All your base are belong to us".

So that means everything: Food, drink, art, gaming, fashion, movies, books, all the sciences, the designs on your credit cards, air fresheners, household cleaners, ant-spray and furniture polish.

At this point the point is disruption. Kick it over and walk away from it.

Sea Peoples 2.0

a reply to: AwakeNotWoke

If people would stop falling for propaganda, if they would wake up from their own programming, stop towing party lines, stop believing it's left vs. right and realize it's US vs. a corrupt, tyrannical government full of compromised politicians then maybe True Patriotism would make a comeback. But that's not what we're currently seeing in this country. It's truly sickening.

a reply to: ADVISOR

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a reply to: ADVISOR
Great thread! I love Allen West and agree he should have been our first black president. He would have been fantastic. I had hoped Trump might pay attention and select A.West as vp!......then 8 years of Prez West!

originally posted by: AwakeNotWoke

originally posted by: chr0naut
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The same could be said for a 'true 5th columnist'; or a 'true terrorist'.

The American government is supposed to be "of the people, by the people, and for the people". If you oppose the majority of citizens, you aren't a patriot. That simple.

Yeah, that's what the Third Reich told all of the good Germans patriots. There were lots of Third Reich patriots, weren't there?

Can you source evidence that the Third Reich said that, or any actual percentages of "Third Reich patriots" vs general German citizens?

You see, if you can't source definite data, it's easy to make up stuff and then others with the same opinion are happy to shout the lie into the 'opinion' echo chamber.

The majority of people in Zimbabwe and South Africa are all in for slaughtering white farmers. I guess a person opposed to that would be "fifth columnist" or a "true terrorist."

The suggestion that the majority of people in those countries were in favour of slaughtering white farmers is disproven by the crime statistics (in fact, the murder rate has more than halved since the end of apartheid).

That is not to say that killings of black farmers did not happen. They did even before the end of apartheid. But Zimbabwe had a population of 13 million back in 2012 and SA had a population of 53 million back then. If 66 million people wanted the deaths of white farmers, then far more white farmers would be dead than there are. The math is simple.

So, it is fairly apparent that the issues with white farmers being killed by native populations is mostly right-wing propaganda.

It's attitudes like that that make atrocities possible.

A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it's accepted by a majority. ~ Booker T. Washington

Interestingly, the majority of mass-murder atrocities that have happened in the USA, have been from right-wing offenders.

Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2022

Of course, it you only read right-wing media, they wouldn't mention that, would they?

a reply to: ADVISOR

Leftists want a nanny-state, they want a police-state.

They want to be coddled.

"Alexis de Tocqueville introduced the idea of soft tyranny in his 1835 work titled Democracy in America. He described it as the individualist preference for equality and its pleasures, which requires the state – whether as a tyrant majority or a benevolent authority – to step in and adjudicate. In this regime, political leaders operate under a blanket of restrictions, and citizens influence policymaking through bureaucrats and non-governmental organizations. Unlike despotism or hard tyranny, where the government is composed of guardians with immense power, soft tyranny is characterized by being “absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild.” The state acts like a parent, run by “benevolent schoolmasters” who secure people’s needs but may inadvertently reduce their free agency and critical faculties. The danger lies in the satisfaction of material well-being, which can put individuals’ critical thinking to sleep and lead to cultural decline."
-Internet Bing Search

Neither side will take responsibility for what they've done to destroy this country. F****** pathetic

originally posted by: Disgusted123
"The progressive socialist leftists, aka Democrat party, are more concerned about appeasement, negotiating, acquiescing, and compromising with delusional, deranged brats because that is the nature of the progressive socialist left, Marxists"

They left out "Communist". LOL!

What a bunch of dog whistles nonsense.

Right. As I was reading the OP, my mind kinda slipped into one of those, you know, rhythmic beat patterns where you only half listen to what is being said, when all of a sudden, the mantra broke down and my mind kinda grasped for breath, held out it's arms to steady itself by the surrounding walls as it screamed ''SOMETHINGS MISSING HERE, THIS SHOULD BE GOING ON FOR ANOTHER WORD OR TWO''

I finished reading in a quandary and in reading your post, nodded to myself and thought ''yeah, all's right with the world again.''

originally posted by: Mahogani

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Mahogani
they believe is a fight against tyranny. A fight to preserve democracy..

... and people on the right say the same thing, that they are fighting to preserve the country and democracy from the far left socialist cancel-culture mob.

I know. In many ways it's had to tell them apart.

Sometimes when I'm on a lefty forum reading what they say, it sounds the same as ATS. I think a fringe mindset, a culture bred on fear, will ultimately end up looking the same.

At least it's what I'm seeing.

USA could really do well with less extreme thinking on both sides.

I so totally agree.

So, it leads to two possible situations:

1. Most people who go into politics, and pretty much drop many things in their life that most other people do, are actually wanting to make things better, and to do good?

... or

2. They must all be depraved psychopaths involved in massive conspiracies against the common good (tens of thousands of them in all branches and levels of government) and yet, somehow, they never seem to reach their evil and destructive goals!

Which do you think is the most likely, and which informs your opinion?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ADVISOR

Leftists want a nanny-state, they want a police-state.

They want to be coddled.

"Alexis de Tocqueville introduced the idea of soft tyranny in his 1835 work titled Democracy in America. He described it as the individualist preference for equality and its pleasures, which requires the state – whether as a tyrant majority or a benevolent authority – to step in and adjudicate. In this regime, political leaders operate under a blanket of restrictions, and citizens influence policymaking through bureaucrats and non-governmental organizations. Unlike despotism or hard tyranny, where the government is composed of guardians with immense power, soft tyranny is characterized by being “absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild.” The state acts like a parent, run by “benevolent schoolmasters” who secure people’s needs but may inadvertently reduce their free agency and critical faculties. The danger lies in the satisfaction of material well-being, which can put individuals’ critical thinking to sleep and lead to cultural decline."
-Internet Bing Search

No, leftists don't want that.

They want safety and stability of quality of life under the protection of fair and reasonable laws, and personal freedom in regard to things outside of the law.

The right-wing are the ones that want a 'powerful leader/government', strict rules and strict application of them, differentiation between the 'us-and-them's', and greed-and-acquisition as primary over compassion-and-individual-generosity.

a reply to: chr0naut

Huh?

I think you have that backwards.

Just look at covid, brah.

There Are No Adult Leftists

I don't think adolescent name calling will bring a majority of women back to MAGA after the Roe v Wade debacle.

originally posted by: lilzazz
I don't think adolescent name calling will bring a majority of women back to MAGA after the Roe v Wade debacle.

Wimin, amirite?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ADVISOR

Leftists want a nanny-state, they want a police-state.

They want to be coddled.

"Alexis de Tocqueville introduced the idea of soft tyranny in his 1835 work titled Democracy in America. He described it as the individualist preference for equality and its pleasures, which requires the state – whether as a tyrant majority or a benevolent authority – to step in and adjudicate. In this regime, political leaders operate under a blanket of restrictions, and citizens influence policymaking through bureaucrats and non-governmental organizations. Unlike despotism or hard tyranny, where the government is composed of guardians with immense power, soft tyranny is characterized by being “absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild.” The state acts like a parent, run by “benevolent schoolmasters” who secure people’s needs but may inadvertently reduce their free agency and critical faculties. The danger lies in the satisfaction of material well-being, which can put individuals’ critical thinking to sleep and lead to cultural decline."
-Internet Bing Search

No, leftists don't want that.

They want safety and stability of quality of life under the protection of fair and reasonable laws, and personal freedom in regard to things outside of the law.

The right-wing are the ones that want a 'powerful leader/government', strict rules and strict application of them, differentiation between the 'us-and-them's', and greed-and-acquisition as primary over compassion-and-individual-generosity.

That is odd, all these decades I was told the far right wants Less Government and more individual liberty.

That explains everything...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Huh?

I think you have that backwards.

Just look at covid, brah.

The administration/Republican Party majority Federal government at the time was right-wing, was it not?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: chr0naut

Huh?

I think you have that backwards.

Just look at covid, brah.

The administration/Republican Party majority Federal government at the time was right-wing, was it not?

Yep and the local governments and state governments that shut things down and wanted things stayed down were leftists