Is Hunter guilty of a gun charge or is that unconstitutional?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

They are irrelevant to this thread and are harder to give evidence for than DWI


But again, none of these have any bearing on gun ownership. A person who would shoot someone while drunk would do it sober and that is a mental problem not a gun problem.

Are we done making mental problems into gun problems? Or will you not stop until every American citizen is disarmed?

From what I've read that's not true, alcohol changes the brain in ways that change people's behaviour and emotions totally opposite from a sober state.

Yes, it can make a man sleep with an ugly woman. We need to ban ugly women and perhaps jail them for the safety of drunk men. based on your post, they had no control, so we must remove the temptation, be it a gun, or the one chuck the wingman usually had to deal with.

a reply to: quintessentone

Oh but it is that simple

From your link : "Reduced inhibitions and impulse control" caused y alcohol

Drunk emotions will cause you to take action that sober you would not, even if it is in the back of your mind to do so.

Anyways back on topic.

Federally, alcohol is not classified as a depressant and therefore does not apply to the ATF form for purchasing a firearm, but marijuana and all other controlled substances and narcotics are covered.

If you think that needs to be changed feel free to take it up with the ATF and see how fast you get shot down. If alcohol is included on the form that would disqualify most, if not all, legal gun owners immediately.

But I guess making millions of felons overnight is a common theme with the ATF lately.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Drunk emotions will cause you to take action that sober you would not, even if it is in the back of your mind to do so.

Anyways back on topic.

Federally, alcohol is not classified as a depressant and therefore does not apply to the ATF form for purchasing a firearm, but marijuana and all other controlled substances and narcotics are covered.

If you think that needs to be changed feel free to take it up with the ATF and see how fast you get shot down. If alcohol is included on the form that would disqualify most, if not all, legal gun owners immediately.

But I guess making millions of felons overnight is a common theme with the ATF lately.

It's messed up and nobody cares, that's the real problem.

a reply to: quintessentone

You say nobody cares when I still have yet to see anyone say that alcohol and firearms do not mix.

Nobody is saying that, ever

But you are trying to make felons overnight and take guns away from, otherwise law abiding, citizens. That's not okay

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You say nobody cares when I still have yet to see anyone say that alcohol and firearms do not mix.

Nobody is saying that, ever

But you are trying to make felons overnight and take guns away from, otherwise law abiding, citizens. That's not okay

I've posted doctor's comments on this and it is they who say alcohol abuse (not a couple here and there) and firearms do not mix. It is the doctor's that are classifying alcohol as a psychotropic depressant (which is on the form), but all falls on deaf ears because why? Because nobody wants to hear it, everyone just wants their guns and screw the next guy. Screwed up.

a reply to: quintessentone

Again, nobody on here, and nobody I have ever met, says that guns and alcohol go together so you can climb on down form that high horse.

"psychotropic depressant" is not on the form, if so please find it and point it out to me.

Again, who is saying they go together?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Again, nobody on here, and nobody I have ever met, says that guns and alcohol go together so you can climb on down form that high horse.

"psychotropic depressant" is not on the form, if so please find it and point it out to me.

Again, who is saying they go together?

Psychotropic depressant and depressant mean the same thing.

It's not my high horse, it's the doctor's who are pointing this out.

a reply to: quintessentone

Once again since you seem to be missing it, and I will even put it in caps so you can read it a little better

WHO IN HERE IS SAYING THAT ALCOHOL AND GUNS GO TOGETHER?

Nobody?

Cool, glad we got that out of the way.

You know you can stop being a gun grabbing liberal anytime you want, right?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Dalamax

Wrong

Drug Test: "A drug test is a technical analysis of a biological specimen, for example urine, hair, blood, sweat, or oral fluid/saliva"

None of that covers a breathalyzer, nice try though

Lets go over this again shall we for those that didn't care to read everything else.

Alcohol is not a controlled substance, the only "unlawful" users are under the age of 21, and it is not classified as a drug under the questionnaire.

Again, many medical professionals describe it as a psychotropic depressant, and that is in the questionnaire.

Well, let us know when that little belief is being used to change the law. Until then, the law is the law.

The vast majority of alcohol drinkers are casual, light drinkers.

People who do the heavier drugs are typically getting into a deep, dark experience. And they often have other life problems, when they decide that heroin, fentanyl, meth, coke, opioids, are a great hobby.

Two vastly different types of people, in the big picture.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Once again since you seem to be missing it, and I will even put it in caps so you can read it a little better

WHO IN HERE IS SAYING THAT ALCOHOL AND GUNS GO TOGETHER?

Nobody?

Cool, glad we got that out of the way.

You know you can stop being a gun grabbing liberal anytime you want, right?

Lol, they can’t not do it.

It’s in their dna. That’s how they became libs / leftists.

The 2A has made America immune for the most part, to violent communist / socialist/ anarchist shock troops. The left just hates this reality, and this is the thing that fills them with angst, as they can’t get their way because of it.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Oh but it is that simple

From your link : "Reduced inhibitions and impulse control" caused y alcohol

Drunk emotions will cause you to take action that sober you would not, even if it is in the back of your mind to do so.

Anyways back on topic.

Federally, alcohol is not classified as a depressant and therefore does not apply to the ATF form for purchasing a firearm, but marijuana and all other controlled substances and narcotics are covered.

If you think that needs to be changed feel free to take it up with the ATF and see how fast you get shot down. If alcohol is included on the form that would disqualify most, if not all, legal gun owners immediately.

But I guess making millions of felons overnight is a common theme with the ATF lately.

Lmao, prohibition used to be the classic example of conservative folly, in the world of the leftist.

Now they would gladly make the country choose between prohibition or gun ownership.

All for making Hunter Biden’s felonies go away.

And they wonder why they get laughed at.

originally posted by: lordcomac

originally posted by: Threadbare
The law has already been found to be unconstitutional in the 5th Circuit.

I'd be happy to see hunters gun charge dropped if it meant dropping all of the unconstitutional anti gun laws the rest of us have to deal with.

Then we could go after him for all the fraud, money laundering, drugs, and pedophilia... but those would connect him to his party so we'll likely never see that

As someone who voted for Biden but has also voted republican in the past, if there is evidence Hunter did commit fraud, money laundering, drugs or pedophilia he should be charged to the full extent of the law.

That being said, I have seen no evidence of any of these crimes made public to date. All I hear from republican lawmakers is "Wait, we will release the evidence soon!" ... I swear that is all I have heard leave their mouths for multiple years now.

It is about as believeable as "Obama is gonna take your guns!" when private gun ownership doubled under his administration.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Oh but it is that simple

From your link : "Reduced inhibitions and impulse control" caused y alcohol

Drunk emotions will cause you to take action that sober you would not, even if it is in the back of your mind to do so.

Anyways back on topic.

Federally, alcohol is not classified as a depressant and therefore does not apply to the ATF form for purchasing a firearm, but marijuana and all other controlled substances and narcotics are covered.

If you think that needs to be changed feel free to take it up with the ATF and see how fast you get shot down. If alcohol is included on the form that would disqualify most, if not all, legal gun owners immediately.

But I guess making millions of felons overnight is a common theme with the ATF lately.

Hell, if Marijuana is included on the form, it would disqualify more than half of legal gun owners immediately. I would suspect that half or more of the board members on here are also guilty of the same charges Hunter is being accused of.

a reply to: DoubleDNH

Marijuana has always been on the form, and if you went as far as to get a medical card for it, you are automatically disqualified for ever owning a firearm.

Also, if you lied on the form and said you don't use it then you are a felon already.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

a reply to: DoubleDNH

if you hide from it, you can continue that charade you have going.

you have to look for this, your news sure as # won't tell you any of it. Or you could continue pretending all it well, until it's not.

Hunter, Archer, and Joe had dinner with the richest woman in Russia. A few days later, she wired Hunter's company 3.5 million. Then not long after Joe Biden announced a list of sanctions for Russian Oligarchs. Her name was the only one that should have been on it, but wasn't. Coincidence? In your eye's yes. And there is plenty more.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: The2Billies

There is wide agreement that anti-corruption must be at the top of this list, and that reforms must include an overhaul of the Prosecutor General’s Office including removal of Prosecutor General Shokin, who is widely regarded as an obstacle to fighting corruption, if not a source of the problem.

Source

That is from a State Department memo that was provided to Biden prior to his trip to Ukraine.

I know, it is quite clear.

However what happened was

Biden told Ukraine that if they did not fire the prosecutor that was investigating HIS SON

that they would not get foreign aid.

They fired the prosecutor

and Biden released the foreign aid.

He fought corruption by threatening the country for investigating his son and preparing to prosecute his son.

That is corruption, abuse of power, and extortion, perhaps treason for selling foreign aid to another nation for personal reasons.

The Ukrainian prosecutor was a bad one.

Still doesn't matter. Facts are facts. Joe Biden said fire the prosecutor who is investigating my son or you don't get foreign aid. They fired him. Joe handed over the foreign aid. Extortion clear and simple

a reply to: The2Billies

This was like something you would see on an episode of a HBO or NetFlix show.....