Islam: Does it belong in America?

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Fundamentalism is all forms is essentially a bad thing. Fundamentalists Xtians are as bad as fundamentalist Moslems. Xtianity also has a long history of being anti woman. The OP is in need of perpspective on fundmentalist religions

[edit on 1-5-2010 by Tiger5]

Disagreement and debate is fine - but it must be done in a Courtious Manner.



[edit on May 1st 2010 by greeneyedleo]

Catholicism, viewed as a Religion by most, is indeed a form of Spiritual Guidance that does possess a moral objective... albeit a rather extreme one. What's so different about Catholics is that it ALSO is The Law, of the Catholic Peoples.

One would surmise that Catholicism could be considered a Theocracy, if indeed it was God who was ruling it, but unfortunately that is not the case. It is the teachings of a "prophet" named Jesus that has become the dominating factor determining Law under Catholic Nations... Jesus was a Man, Not a God, and indeed Not the True God as understood by Hebrews and Christians, nor even part of the panthenon of Gods of the Hindus.

I just substituted any mention to Islam and muslims with Catholicism and catholics and i can't tell the difference. Wow.

lol.. woohoo - boy look at them pies fly!... too bad none of them are hitting any targets!

Mr. InfoReal (NOT) ...

Since all you can do is blast a trumpet, pound a drum, and make songs about topics you yourself have no clue about, It's ok, I'll understand that since your belief system is under attack, you're having a problem coping with it.

Doesn't Islam teach muslims anything about coping skills? sheesh... It's like this fella short circuited and can't stop popping off lol!

Anywway, the people who you tout as 'Christians' - indeed, may actually have been from a Christian world, Some even were leaders within a Christian nation. However...

I wholeheartedly will assure you that their secret activities and fellow associates were all of them Free Masons...

So you see... lol, Masonry precluded thier Christianity, and as such your claims that their deeds were done under the blessings of Christianity are misguided.

I however for one will also just state the obvious... Christianity is an afront to the namesake of the person who is supposedly represented by it... Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ Never taught that the things Inforeal makes claims about was approved nor did he approve of it - unlike mohammed, and the koran, as well as the Jews, and thier Kabbalistic Traditions that supercede the laws of God and in effect corrupts God's Law with it's diabolic influences.

The New Testament that records Jesus' Ministry instead shows that Christ taught patience, Reverence, and Loyalty. He taught Integrity, Hospitality, and Individuality - to utilise individual Free Will to come into a personal relationship with God.

The organizations that represent Christianity today, all of them are complicit with wrongdoing and sin. However, Christianity doesn't teach that it is ok to have lustful sexual relations with 6 year old children, or multiples of such, as in the case of Islam as it condones harems, and the 'marriage' of little children to lustful, greedy men..

However, all the same, these 'Christian" religions are complicit with the individuals that participate within them that also feel it's ok to have sex with children..

The difference between Christianity, and Islam, in this regard is that Christianity DOES NOT TEACH BIBLICAL DOCTORINE THAT APPROVES OF CHILD MOLESTATION, RAPE, OR INCEST.... whereas Islam does

I wonder, would it be ok to formulate a 'temporary marriage' to an 8 year old in Islam? you know... get your rocks off for an hour , then divorce her?... come on InfoReal (NOT), you must know....

There is nothing on record about Jesus "Thighing" little boys or girls... unlike Mohammed, who is on record with his 6 year old wife... Or was the Ayatollah lying about Mohammed, the great prophet who 'thighs' 6 year olds?

Once again, I reiterate... I'm just the messenger. The videos, images, and direct quotes I've supplied are the ones stating it - NOT ME... I'm just endorsing it because I know that alot of it was recorded is real, and proved it's reality.

Anyway, I understand this was tough for you...

Go ahead, and unwind that energy Inforeal (NOT) - let it all out. I can just imagine that right now, you've shook so much while you spewed your silly string all over this post that you're probably sitting naked in front of a large mirror wondering why your hair is so messed up, and how all of your clothes suddenly are in pieces all over the ground...

Someone give that man a qualude!

On another subject all together, this topic isnt on christianity, or judahism, but Islam. Please try to stay on topic, shall we?

Islam: Does it Belong in America?

[edit on 1-5-2010 by DarkspARCS]

Islam and Scientology are both in the same group!

of course for different reasons and different rationalizations...


all i qualify as 'real' is primal Shamanism

Islam: Does it belong in America?

Of course not!! It's the American tradition to ban any sort of religion that doesn't have a clergy ran by white people!

We need to destroy all mosques and kick anyone out of the country that calls God anything other than Yahweh or Jesus!!

THAT's what America is about! Land of the FREE! Freedom for everybody except who we don't like!!

/sarcasm.


You ignorant xenophobes are getting old, and not impressing anybody. Even white supremacists enjoy religious freedom.

Please just admit that you are freedom haters and you really love fascism / national socialism. K thx bai.

[edit on 1-5-2010 by FalselyFlagged]

Well I must say I did not come into this thread expected the majority of the posts to put the OP where he belongs but am I glad to be wrong.

To the OP; 99% of the wrong-doings pinned to Islam in your post can be linked neatly into one unfortunate problem: cultural infiltration of Islam.

I have spent alot of time, unlike yourself, studying the religion of Islam and it seems apparent that most of the atrocities committed in the name of Islam in this day and age is completely avoidable.

Most Islamic states today are either third world countries or second-world with numerous dictatorship problems. The problem is, the line between religion and culture is so blurred, that many are losing their way in what they claim they act upon in the name of their religion.





You know....I could go on about my findings, but I just realized how much of a bigoted post your OP was, so I don't think I would bother.

I would also like a Link to the verse in the Quran, or Hadith (teachings of the prophet), which would show us directly where exactly those atrocities in the "beliefs and practices" part of your post can be found.

Good post OP

After perusing the information in the OP I want to say thank you for making such a valuable and informative post. It certainly puts things into perspective and when I think about it it just makes sense.
S and F

And I love the way you categorize the entire Islam into the statements of your ranting section.

I have a good friend and neighbour, who is a muslim, who abides the Law, who carries out the five pillars of Islam, minds his own business, and who is a damn lot nicer than alot of average people I see around today. Not that that matters but, he is a muslim, and by his religion, he will go to heaven if he continues his ways, without doing anything you mention in your OP.

Do you think an individual like that is welcome in America?

As a muslim myself, I disagree with the accusations of killing the 'infidels' and stuff. it is against my belief and faith to take another human's life. Muslims were prohibited to destroy and vandal other religious buildings. well, some crackpot did. there were no army marching into indonesia, malaysia nor killed people who refused to convert.
there's a verse which in Koran cited:THE CHAPTER OF MISBELIEVERS

IN the name of the merciful and compassionate God.
Say, 'O ye misbelievers! I do not serve what ye serve; nor will ye
serve what I serve; nor will I serve what ye serve; nor will ye
serve what I serve;-ye have your religion, and I have my religion!

There's no such thing like killing non- muslims for no apparent reason!

BTW, bilderbergers, skull and bones, or those people promoting NWO aren't muslims do they?

peace.

Originally posted by expat2368


We are headed for a confrontation which could have been avoided except for the wrong headed "PC" idiots who bought into their "religion of peace" BS.

Pacifists are extremely dangerous.
They are also called Independents and Libertarians.
They think of themselves first and seek to avoid conflict
at all costs.
The end result is disaster.
They will do it again.

reply to post by my_republic


Welcome to the thread My_republic!

While I understand that your statement:

There's no such thing like killing non- muslims for no apparent reason!

suggests that your religious beliefs condemn killing non-muslims for no apparent reason.

I think that that's pretty much a given.. However, since you've showed up and made yourself known, would you mind clearing up this mess for me?

Here I've posted documented evidence that suggests that muslims, who practice Islam, are complicit in all sorts of acts of inhumane agenda that spans from child molestation and incest, to sodomy, to exploitation, to murder.

folks here seem to believe that because I am exposing these documentaries and links to documents that reveal undeniable proof of the type of conspiratous agendas are indeed being perportraited by Islam - that I'm the one responsible for a biased, Unfounded, racist, and bigoted agenda in offense to Islam.

Nowhere in any of the documentaries did you see me, nor my name, involved in the things going on within them. Importantly however is this fact: these documentaries show real muslims, doing abomidable things in the name of Islam, Saying abomidable things in the name of Islam, and making declarations containing violence, death threats, and threaten sexual violations done against the wives and daughters of the infadels, in the name of Islam.

Islamic Scripture has also been quoted that demands action by the muslim, against the infidel, even to the point of the infadel's death.

First of all, why does a non believer have to be labeled an infadel?

Second, Is it true that Islam allows sexual relationships to exist between a full grown man, and a 9 year old girl, as the Ayatolla stated?

Third, Is it true that Islam has the goal of creating a world wide government under Islam?

and last, can you help explain why it is that the demand for jizya suddenly makes it ok to exist as an affront to God as an infidel? I mean really, money makes God accept a non believer, vs. if the infidel refuses to give the money to the muslim demanding it, suddenly God approves of that infidel's death?

I'd appreciate it if you could answer those things for me...


The statement you made that I've highlighted here is telling me practically nothing, because in the scriptures I quoted, the Quran actually tells muslims to fight against a non believer if they chose not to forfiet the demand of a jizya. Suddenly, if that demand, which here in the West we instead call that strong arm robbery, or exploitation, isn't forfeited, suddenly the whole world of G.I. Joe opens up for muslims to do as they please with the "infidel" - including the 'capture' of the infidel's wife and children as "war booty" - effectively ENSLAVING THEM...

Could you please once again, clarify this for me, and give me the reasons why - as you claimed - you somehow, as an Islamic, are exempt from these commands?


Thanks in advance, your contribution to this will be most appreciated.

Originally posted by FalselyFlagged
Islam: Does it belong in America?

You ignorant xenophobes are getting old, and not impressing anybody. Even white supremacists enjoy religious freedom.

Please just admit that you are freedom haters and you really love fascism / national socialism. K thx bai.

[edit on 1-5-2010 by FalselyFlagged]

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So tell me Mr Farrakahn, did the truth really blow your mind too lol? your denial is so vast it almost hurts me to watch you wiggle about on this thread and blast a trumpet of idiocracy. The proof is all there BRO.... so no ignorance here.

reply to post by FermiFlux


You seem a little confused with regard your ideologies there Fermi.

In the first part of the statement you state the issues as they exist.... an INFILTRATION, of a predatory culture into the existing culture of another... which as the INFILTRATION'S numbers increase it becomes an INVASION, where these supposed "peacefull" muslims suddenly become agressive and hateful against the culture they've INVADED.

Then you start backsliding and accuse me of ignorance, biase, what?.. racism too?

You yourself stated that it's an Infiltration, which I condensed into INVASION once the agenda's numbers are reached. Why is it that right now, Islamics are vying for political power in the nations of Norway, Great Britain, and Sweden? Aren't they guests, in an already established Christian Land?

When you start striving to get involved in the political affairs of a country, you no longer are a guest, but a force trying to take control. So, like Obama is starting to do here in America, we're soon going to see a muslim jihad the likes the world wasn't prepared for, even though our friendly and considerate muslim guests have all along been telling us that that is what thier intentions all along have been.

Muslims are so considerate, arent they, to tell us these things?

I CAN PRETTY MUCH TELL EVERYONE HERE WHO HAS SYMPATHY FOR ISLAM TO BLOW IT OUT YOUR @$@%!

THIS IS AMERICA, HOME OF THE FREE AND LAND OF THE INFIDEL! IF ISLAM DOESN'T LIKE US, THEN LEAVE... BUT DON'T TRY TO ENCROACH UPON MY FREEDOMS, AND MY RIGHTS, AND MY WAY OF LIFE BECAUSE YOUR RELIGION DOESN'T LIKE THAT.

AND FURTHERMORE, DON'T THINK THAT FOR ONE INSTANT YOU AND YOUR STATIST AGENDAS WILL SUCCEED IN OVERPOWERING AMERICA... ONLY A FOOL WOULD THINK THAT POSSIBLE.

I'm not a racist. I'm not a bigot. I am NOT IGNORANT... If you are an Arab, from an Arab land, who does not practice Islam...

Welcome brother, I am happy you are here! Bring your wife and your children, and your reletives... to escape the treachery of Islam! I have sympathy for your cause, and too, resist and reject anything Islam, as one who understands what you have been through...

you won't have to worry about ethnic cleansing here....


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being a person that thinks nobodys religion should control the lives of people...i think there should be strict laws governing the preaching and practice of ANY religion. in other words keep it in your places of worship and your own home. any religion is opposite of what america is suppose to be about. isn't it time people stop believing in mythical beings or at least stop trying to get others to live by the dictates of their faith?

reply to post by DarkspARCS


Any religion when taken to the extreme can become dangerous. Before America Christianity was the world dominating religion and had become ingrained in European politics ever since the Roman's adopted it. When power and religion combine, when Church and State are not separate, you get a terrible outcome, the founding father's knew this. Radical religion does not belong in America but I know for a fact there are many modern Muslims who do not share the barbaric beliefs of the extremists.

Christianity survived by becoming modern, no longer does it go around torturing people for disbelief or stoning witches. People are not put to death for working on the Sabbath as the Bible demands. Christianity has adapted and I feel that if Islam wants people to convert it had better make that transition. The issue is that there are extremists trying to stop Islam from adapting to the modern world.

So its a very delicate situation, on the one hand you have a lot of Muslims who are just normal folks who interpret the Koran differently and don't share the views of the extremists and then you've got the bad apples of the bunch trying to spread their version of Islam.

condones rape, condones murder, condones domination, condones violence, condones prejudice, condones sodomy, and has an agenda of World Domination really belong in a country such as America?

The same could be said about the Bible though. The Bible says that women who are raped should have to marry their attacker and at one point the Israelites are told to take virgin girls as slaves. The Bible claims that upon the return of Jesus there will be a war and Jesus will conquer the world, sounds like world domination to me. Like I said though Christianity has modernized itself and basically ignores the more primitive tenants of the Bible, which is good. Islam needs to do the same and cut off the cancerous extremism that has taken root.

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I agree with what you're saying here.

Western history is full proof of what happens when a small group of radicals found there way to power the majority of sheep just tagged along. It is a human characteristic to adapt to whatever group there in.
Especially when there can be consequences if they don't.

Reply to Post of darkspARCS

Maybe you have not noticed yet, the only freedom that currently is taken away is done by government because of a threat which is blown up far above proportions. 9 / 11 happenings is as far from from truth then you can get. Speculations about it being an inside job are far from debunked. ( What would be easy if they were telling the truth.

Although I do agree that Islam is expanding I very much disagree it does because of what you are suggesting.

This has by far nothing to do with me being a pacifist but it has everything to do with the flows of power behind them.
That's why I say you're mistaking and you are barking at the wrong tree here. The source of your apparent worries is different of what you think.

The question of "Does Islam belong in America" is bias.
If there is something that does not belong in America, it is the Anglo - American empire who have build an illegal nation, started illegal wars and are currently occupying countries where they do not have the right to because of problems they caused them selves in the first place.

This said.

I'm no pascifist, I would fight the battle.
I refuse to be part of the obvious dividing and fight those who did.

To divide and conquer.

It's the oldest trick in the book.

Right. Where to begin?

'Islam: Does it belong in America?'

Of course it does. Every religion has the same right.

I thought America is meant to be an Equaliterian Society (sincerely doubt that, but we can all dream

Sure The Qu'ran might be just the incy bit horrifying...but it isn't for those who've been living like that, for example - tribes in PNG eat the brains of those who just died...we find that horrifying but it's their normal diet, they are brought up believing it's necessary. We should come to respect their beliefs and views.

Give Islam a break guys. Bring an element of being racially harmonic to yourselves





[edit on 2/5/2010 by BlackPoison94]

Originally posted by DarkspARCS
reply to post by FermiFlux

 

You seem a little confused with regard your ideologies there Fermi.

In the first part of the statement you state the issues as they exist.... an INFILTRATION, of a predatory culture into the existing culture of another... which as the INFILTRATION'S numbers increase it becomes an INVASION, where these supposed "peacefull" muslims suddenly become agressive and hateful against the culture they've INVADED.


[edit on 2-5-2010 by DarkspARCS]

No I don't think you quite grasped what I meant there, and if I conveyed the message incorrectly then my apologies.

The fact is, an individual can not do a single atrocity mentioned in your OP, and still be a top-notch muslim.

Now compare the muslims that grow up in the West, with those in the East. Ask yourself again what is the problem. The religion? Or the cultures?