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UPDATE 1-US missile test mimicking Iran strike fails

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posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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UPDATE 1-US missile test mimicking Iran strike fails


www.reuters.com

WASHINGTON, Feb 1 (Reuters) - A U.S. attempt to shoot down a ballistic missile mimicking an attack from Iran failed after a malfunction in a radar built by Raytheon Co (RTN.N), the Defense Department said.

The abortive test over the Pacific Ocean coincided with a Pentagon report that Iran had expanded its ballistic missile capabilities and posed a "significant" threat to U.S. and allied forces in the Middle East region.
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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Fantastic timing. Iran is talking about a "major announcement" in two weeks. They have recently announced that they have upgraded their ballistic capabilities. Now we have a simulated test that fails.

These things fail and fail often. To conduct such a test in the current rising tensions is incompetent and will only serve to embolden Iran.

The next few months are going to get interesting. Maybe the next few weeks. Iran knows that one for certain is that the US can not afford a three front war. They also know that there is no appetite for it in the international community with the exception of Israel

This was stupid, plain and simple. They never should have conducted a test of this nature in the current environment unless they were 100% certain that it would be successful

www.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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Oh man! You just beat me to the punch! lol

In the thread that I started, one of the thing that I mentioned was that, I hope that North Korea doesn't try to capitalize on this. After all, the test did occur in the Pacific. Now, I don't think that Iran has missiles that can reach the United States, but I remember reading that North Korea does have missiles that can reach Hawai'i.

North Korea, according to some reports, is preparing another missile test. With this latest failure, I hope that Kimmy doesn't decide that he's going to try and go for it, thinking that 'the US couldn't shoot their own missile down, how are they going to get mine?'

The close timing of this to the Olympics is curious to me as well. I hope that this isn't the start of a chain of events that will lead to a Russia-Georgia type thing involving the United States.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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Why would North Korea try to "capitalize" on this?

They don't have the capability to withstand a prolonged engagement with the rest of the civilized world.

I don't even know why it was reported that the test failed, that's kinda strange. Why even bother? Either out of a matter of operational security, or just, who cares..? Next run is probably going to work just fine.

I feel people are rattling off with the Cold War-era mindset. As if, "Oh no the shields are down, we're dead!" That just isn't the case. People aren't scrambling to fend off invasions at every second, or trying to win a defensive/offensive arms race as they did in the Cold War. It's more of a traditional necessity, rather than an emergency.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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Why would you announce a failure? Or did some other country bust the US out on that one? If I had a failure of such a system i'd try and keep that carefully hidden if possible.

Or maybe they are trying to embolden Iran into trying something by lulling them into a false sense of security. "Oh hey look they can't shoot down our missiles!" Then the other shoe drops....



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 04:44 PM
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They don't have the capability to withstand a prolonged engagement with the rest of the civilized world.

Do you think that China would just sit idly by if the US was to retaliate if something happened? Russia for that matter as well? I doubt the rest of the world would stand up and help anyway, until they could send their troops into non-combat areas.

In their mind, it may not even have to be a prolonged engagement. Simply getting a pock shot would be good enough for Kimmy.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 04:54 PM
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Im pretty sure that if a strike by the US comes to Iran it wont be a 3 front war because it will not be like the other 2. The US and Britain, France, Israel and whoever will be doing this by air and sea. No boots on ground.



Originally posted by dolphinfan


Fantastic timing. Iran is talking about a "major announcement" in two weeks. They have recently announced that they have upgraded their ballistic capabilities. Now we have a simulated test that fails.

These things fail and fail often. To conduct such a test in the current rising tensions is incompetent and will only serve to embolden Iran.

The next few months are going to get interesting. Maybe the next few weeks. Iran knows that one for certain is that the US can not afford a three front war. They also know that there is no appetite for it in the international community with the exception of Israel

This was stupid, plain and simple. They never should have conducted a test of this nature in the current environment unless they were 100% certain that it would be successful

www.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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I don't think its that simple. I don't think the Brits, French or anyone other that Israel getting involved beyond allowing us to use their airspace. The Russians and Chinese will clearly work against any such action by the US.

These things are all inter-related. Iran is the largest consumer of Russian oil in the world, the Chinese have been hammering the US on our budget deficits and threatening to dump the dollar. Both have a great interest in a weak US.

This is not so much a military matter, per se. It is about a public weakening of the US. We spent ourselves out of economic super-power status and now have over extended ourselves in a military context. It is all about the forces in the world who want a significantly diminished US in the world. A failed test of this nature places doubt on our ability to project power.

I don't disagree with you on the feet on the ground. We won't put feet on the ground in Iran which means what? To the extent that they attempt to flex their muscles we are going to bomb them? We are not going to bomb Iran. 95% of the people in Iran hate the current regime. They want a more westernized society. We are not about to (I hope) bomb people we can actually work with in Iran. Hence, there is no down-side for Iran to do what ever they want. Sure Israel might so something, but I doubt it.

We are in a weakend state. They know it and they have us by the short hairs. There is nothing we can do, really with Iran but support the people on the ground to overthrow the regime.

This failed test simply underscores their already superior position in this "game"



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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I posted this elsewhere and IMO this is how i see this whole thing going down in regards to Iran's nuke program (mainly because we dont want it to look like the US just pre-emptively started bombing Iran). The US wont have to strike Iran first, they only have to strike back. And public opinion is everything.

Why would the US "strike back" you may be asking yourself. Well if Israel hits Hezbo (Lebanon) it is widely believed that will Syria will be a target as well. Syria and Iran have signed a security pact so if Israel strikes Syria, then Iran will strike Israel. Israel has security pacts with the US. The US (and others) will come to Israel's defense.

While all of this is going down, Irans nuke sites will be targeted.

More than one way to skin cat. More than one way to fire a gat.

Mission accomplished and all of this was due to Israel striking Hezbo for breaking UN Resolution 1709 which has been all in the news as of late.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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China doesn't need North Korea to take a plunge if they wanted to go to war with the US. If China wants war, they can go to war tomorrow. All logistics aside, they can give it a shot.

Russia would have to deal with Europe if they wanted to capitalize, and frankly.. why would they even bother. There will be nothing to gain from the ashes except for total infrastructure loss and uprising.

Besides, it's not like North Korea just has some lonely island all to themselves, of which they can do whatever they please. They would have to deal with South Korea as soon as they went on the offensive. It would be total national suicide on a nation already half-destroyed from complete poverty.

Iran isn't going to do anything. They have about as much control and say in the matter as Iraq did prior to the invasion.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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Oh yeah? I guess it's so easy to use airstrikes to hit military defense systems and nuclear facilities that are miles deep and hidden in underground bunkers? Do you realize how much time Iran has had to prepare for a major US airstrike? 20+ years. You think they were twiddling their thumbs all those years.

Case in point our country IS BROKE! You think we just have tons and tons of million dollar bombs sitting around with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Our or should I say my fellow American's arrogance is disgusting. Yes if the west banded together Iran would be destroyed. But it would hardly be a cakewalk like you and so many others make it out to be. America hasn't fought a battle hardened, well equipped army since the Korean War. Iran would get her licks in that's for sure.

[edit on 1-2-2010 by Zosynspiracy]



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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Would it be naive to expand on this and assume for a moment that Iran is not that much interested in "nuking" the U.S, but rather creating an event that could quite possibly immobilize us by detonating a nuclear warhead above the continental U.S causing an Electromagnetic Pulse large enough to knock us 100 years into the past?

Wouldn't this be an ideal form of attack by our enemies (perceived or not), to strike us knowing full well and good that we cannot protect ourselves from an event so devastating? Think about it... the U.S has built a spider web of electronic infrastructure. We heavily rely on technology as a culture. What would we do if we couldn't have the amenities these technologies provide?

If anyone is wondering, I have read the book "One Second After" by author William R. Forstchen. The idea is out there in the open. Our enemies know that we are very vulnerable with our reliance on electricity, infrastructure and technologies which could easily be made worthless one second after an EMP strikes.

With our military stretched thin, our economy still in shambles and wars on multiple fronts, this scenario could basically lead us to get bushwacked by China, Russia, Iran and North Korea all taking a piece months after Americans in the homeland fight each other over food and water just to survive. Eventually, we wouldn't have the strength or ammunition to provide a resistance to such a force here at home, even though our country has guns in every home or retired military folks willing to fight.

Just my opinion... hopefully it never happens but it is something that I have been thinking about. There is a very real opportunity that this could possibly happen. Just take a look for yourself: www.empcommission.org...

//SpacemanSpiff



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 05:58 PM
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Uh oh, missile defense isn't going to work. Israel is going to get smacked with a giantass weapon from Iran at the culmination of the 10 days on the Night of Power. This would fit nicely into the US White House administrations agenda. They won't stand by Israel anyway so... what the hay... they'll just clean up the mess afterward I suppose. But that allows us to bring in the big guns and make some big holes in those nuclear plants.

Interesting 2 weeks coming around.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 06:10 PM
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they said 2012 is not the end of the world

2012 is a new beginning

2013 is a new world without the USA

whenever ww3 starts, it will end before 2013...

WORD!!



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 06:36 PM
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errr.. are you hoping for WWIII ?

You're a genius.

Never mind I read your past posts
I don't care anymore.

[edit on 1-2-2010 by nophun]



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 07:34 PM
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After reading the whole article it almost sounds as if all we need to do is reposition where our interceptor missiles are being launched from. This could be easier said than done.

I'm not worried about a missile test failing. That just means that we have time to get it right. Other nations can build missiles that can fly over the ocean, but we are one of the only ones working on how to shoot them down.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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Well the only problem with that is the US has that exact same ability. And we have second strike capability with subs and 3rd strike capability with nukes based elsewhere. We could just as easily airburst one over Russia, China, Iran or wherever else for that matter. And then guess what? The whole freakin planet would be set back to the stone-age with no apparenty destruction, just EMP devices.

I dont understand why folks think that while yes, the US is suceptible, but so is everyone else!!!




Originally posted by spacemanspiff
Would it be naive to expand on this and assume for a moment that Iran is not that much interested in "nuking" the U.S, but rather creating an event that could quite possibly immobilize us by detonating a nuclear warhead above the continental U.S causing an Electromagnetic Pulse large enough to knock us 100 years into the past?

Wouldn't this be an ideal form of attack by our enemies (perceived or not), to strike us knowing full well and good that we cannot protect ourselves from an event so devastating? Think about it... the U.S has built a spider web of electronic infrastructure. We heavily rely on technology as a culture. What would we do if we couldn't have the amenities these technologies provide?

If anyone is wondering, I have read the book "One Second After" by author William R. Forstchen. The idea is out there in the open. Our enemies know that we are very vulnerable with our reliance on electricity, infrastructure and technologies which could easily be made worthless one second after an EMP strikes.

With our military stretched thin, our economy still in shambles and wars on multiple fronts, this scenario could basically lead us to get bushwacked by China, Russia, Iran and North Korea all taking a piece months after Americans in the homeland fight each other over food and water just to survive. Eventually, we wouldn't have the strength or ammunition to provide a resistance to such a force here at home, even though our country has guns in every home or retired military folks willing to fight.

Just my opinion... hopefully it never happens but it is something that I have been thinking about. There is a very real opportunity that this could possibly happen. Just take a look for yourself: www.empcommission.org...

//SpacemanSpiff



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 08:44 PM
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you are a fool if you think our countrys military doens have teh capability to take a missle out midflight in teh year 2010.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:17 PM
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IO just dont understand why folks think the US can be hit with EMP but no one else can!! Jeez. Am i on a freaking elementary school board site? Seriously. If this can be done to the US doesnt one think this could be done elsewhere?



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:43 PM
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I don't see what the big deal is, the military tests defense systems all the time. If it fails then they improve. It's not like they test something once in a blue moon.


This is totally blown out of proportions just because they threw "Iran" on it.



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