Who is in the 1%? How are people under 30 doing?

Aazadan


On Monster you can break them down as follows:
1 Janitor, part time
1 Material engineer, bachelors in engineering
1 Health care manager, RN's only
3 Truck driver
1 UPS Package handler, 17 hours minimum wage
1 Sales, industrial equipment, marketing degree
1 Insurance salesman
3 Retail sales, part time temporary
6 Nursing assistant
1 Electrical engineer, related bachelors degree
1 Oil pump installer, related bachelors degree+15 years experience
1 Electrician, 15 years experience+degree
1 Car washer, part time minimum wage
1 Gas station attendant, part time
1 Babysitter, part time
1 Garbage man
1 Mechanic

What's wrong with the truck diver jobs? (takes a minimum of schooling, or in many states, you just have to pass the test (study very well to learn it right).

The UPS job is a stepping stone (UPS only hire drivers from within)

Garbage man usually pays well, and mechanic can make you a lot of money if you have some ambition and treat people right.

Jordan River
I'm doing terrible. I'll turn 30 in oct. Went to college through pell grants and finished with my undergrad for teaching (cant afford the rest of the college for b.a). My parents are older, like three generation older, 60 & 70. I been through job to job and went where the economy went. I was a janitor, direct care worker, meijar worker, cnc metal (only five month training and teacher stopped helping), assembly, factory, e coating..

Teacher stopped helping? IN 5months you should have learned a LOT about machining, and be able to do some nice work.

My dream was to be an audio recordist and intern two years with the guy not doing anything for me...at the end.

Youre dream was to intern and have someone not help you, or are you saying you DID intern somewhere and the guy never helped you?

Right now i am unemployed in detroit and probably going to settle for a 8.50$ job somewhere. Even though i could probably do a 20$ job an hour if taught properly.

What do you mean taught properly? Books changed the world, they let people access others discoveries and data easily. You are currently reading this via the largest free information sharing tool ever invented!! You wanna learn something? Then go out there, find the info and LEARN IT! The internet can teach you anything that you WANT to learn. I have taught myself how to use various different CAD software, how to electroplate things, how to do fiberglass work, where to find the best suppliers, I have taught myself all about mettalurgy for my own company. Even without the internet I learned how to work on cars from being a broke high-school kid and breaking my own car. I taught myself how to mig weld, then tig weld. Many years ago I even taught myself how to drive a racecar from late night industrial park driving (yes really) and the first time I went to a timed competition I was in the top 5 there.

You can LEARN anything you want, you just have to want it. Truly want it. Traditional educations only work for people who WANT to learn the information anyway. Most people who take courses in something to land a certain job with a certain pay SUCK at the job compared to someone who learned it themselves because of personal interest. I have loads of friends who run their own IT and electronics companies who knew more about programming, Linux, UNIX, etc when they were 16, than most professors on the subject.

I also wanted to be a electrician, but i broke my foot and couldnt do the training

You let a broken foot stop you??? This is why you are where you are.

Im mad, mad at the world, mad at the u.s, i seethe anger. I'm pissed off and feel failed by the world.
I struggled with a minor a.d.d and dysgraphia (loook it up) disability and battled and fought my way ontop in the work place and school.!!!

congress cut my unemployment as of dec 28th. I was on the second teir for it, now I'm waiting to live off my tax return.

Im in my parents basement

Yes you are mad at the world, but it hasn't failed you. Mind over matter my friend, f*ck the world, make it your b!tch and go kick ass!

I supposedly have ADHD, possibly BPD, grew up without a mom and had an abusive father. I ultimately just don't care about supposed handicaps and I think more than anything, I take pleasure in proving people wrong when they think I can't do something.

reply to post by Aazadan

30k/year isn't that bad, that's more than 3x what I earn. In some areas of the country jobs literally don't exist. The college I currently work at (it also happens to be where one of my degrees is from) is holding a job fair coming up in March. I saw the email and got excited, then I opened it and looked at who was going to be there... it was all gas stations and convenience stores looking for part time cashiers.

Because college students need part time work. In some cases they require full time work. But most of those job fairs are for students, not people looking to use their degree, unfortunately.

One of the reasons I decided to join the aviation field was because it is highly technical, does not require me to go into debt to learn, certifications through the Army are either discounted or free, and I needed an industry that got me out of Nevada, where I'm from.

Nevada's industry is more than just lacking. It's service jobs, gaming, warehousing and retail. Education in Nevada sucks and there are very few jobs in my chosen field. I'll probably be moving to Texas when I get out of the Army and work on rotary wing platforms for oil rigs, hospitals, forestry, or any number of industries that require rotary wing aviation assets. In Texas they are far more plentiful and pay better too.

I love Nevada, but if I stay there I will not be earning my potential nor would I be giving my family a goof quality of life. So I am moving out. My suggestion. Go where the Jobs are.

A lot of people get scared of starting over in a new place. Rightfully so, mind you. The safety net of familiarity is a hard one to break away from, but at some point that safety net becomes a spider web trapping you in a rut that sucks you dry. Sometimes you just have to move on. That involves a lot of risk, I know, I've done it. But it has proven very well worth it.

8675309jenny

Jordan River
I'm doing terrible. I'll turn 30 in oct. Went to college through pell grants and finished with my undergrad for teaching (cant afford the rest of the college for b.a). My parents are older, like three generation older, 60 & 70. I been through job to job and went where the economy went. I was a janitor, direct care worker, meijar worker, cnc metal (only five month training and teacher stopped helping), assembly, factory, e coating..

Teacher stopped helping? IN 5months you should have learned a LOT about machining, and be able to do some nice work.

My dream was to be an audio recordist and intern two years with the guy not doing anything for me...at the end.

Youre dream was to intern and have someone not help you, or are you saying you DID intern somewhere and the guy never helped you?

Right now i am unemployed in detroit and probably going to settle for a 8.50$ job somewhere. Even though i could probably do a 20$ job an hour if taught properly.

What do you mean taught properly? Books changed the world, they let people access others discoveries and data easily. You are currently reading this via the largest free information sharing tool ever invented!! You wanna learn something? Then go out there, find the info and LEARN IT! The internet can teach you anything that you WANT to learn. I have taught myself how to use various different CAD software, how to electroplate things, how to do fiberglass work, where to find the best suppliers, I have taught myself all about mettalurgy for my own company. Even without the internet I learned how to work on cars from being a broke high-school kid and breaking my own car. I taught myself how to mig weld, then tig weld. Many years ago I even taught myself how to drive a racecar from late night industrial park driving (yes really) and the first time I went to a timed competition I was in the top 5 there.

You can LEARN anything you want, you just have to want it. Truly want it. Traditional educations only work for people who WANT to learn the information anyway. Most people who take courses in something to land a certain job with a certain pay SUCK at the job compared to someone who learned it themselves because of personal interest. I have loads of friends who run their own IT and electronics companies who knew more about programming, Linux, UNIX, etc when they were 16, than most professors on the subject.

I also wanted to be a electrician, but i broke my foot and couldnt do the training

You let a broken foot stop you??? This is why you are where you are.

Im mad, mad at the world, mad at the u.s, i seethe anger. I'm pissed off and feel failed by the world.
I struggled with a minor a.d.d and dysgraphia (loook it up) disability and battled and fought my way ontop in the work place and school.!!!

congress cut my unemployment as of dec 28th. I was on the second teir for it, now I'm waiting to live off my tax return.

Im in my parents basement

Yes you are mad at the world, but it hasn't failed you. Mind over matter my friend, f*ck the world, make it your b!tch and go kick ass!

I supposedly have ADHD, possibly BPD, grew up without a mom and had an abusive father. I ultimately just don't care about supposed handicaps and I think more than anything, I take pleasure in proving people wrong when they think I can't do something.

No one will hire a machinist with 5 months experiance, I've tried.
You can learn everything on the internet except that we live in a paper (diploma society) society.
Experience and knowing someone is always key.

As far as electrician, captain hind sight doesn't always work

There is an economic crisis... and the standard of living is going to be less than we in the West were used to. Personally, I live like a college student and it's been several decades since I have been. But I don't need or want shiny new toys (well, computers and all they bring aside).

It's mainly nepotism... I have friends who worked for advanced degrees, are brilliant and after looking for work for years, are happy to have anything. I also have friends who didn't do anything right but got a sweet job through knowing someone (the good jobs rarely appear in the networks).

The old protestant idea that 'if you aren't doing well, then god hates you,' works for a large segment of the U.S. population... though it is usually the ones who knew someone and are doing fine that think this way (deep down at least).

I am old enough to have seen the difference between the boom times and what is happening now... but it's the nature of our flawed economic system and human nature, which is good at ignoring the suffering one doesn't see.

All we can do is try to change things for the better an increment at a time.

8675309jenny
What's wrong with the truck diver jobs? (takes a minimum of schooling, or in many states, you just have to pass the test (study very well to learn it right).

There's nothing inherently wrong with the truck driver positions except that it's a dead end job... I already have one of those, and I at least get to use my degree and stay current knowledge wise with my job, even if it is minimum wage.

The UPS job is a stepping stone (UPS only hire drivers from within)

Possibly, however this is for a UPS store, not a distribution center. We don't have a distribution center nearby, which makes a promotion unlikely. Good luck trying to move on that low of an income.

Garbage man usually pays well, and mechanic can make you a lot of money if you have some ambition and treat people right.

I have nothing against a garbage man, it's a job that needs to be done, and it's something you could actually retire one day by doing, for many people such a job would make sense, for someone that just wants to make enough money to move to an area that actually has careers for them? Not so much, and the idea of taking a career type of job from someone in order to fulfill my short term needs doesn't sit right with me. Mechanics are fine too, but fall outside my skill set.

projectvxn
Because college students need part time work. In some cases they require full time work. But most of those job fairs are for students, not people looking to use their degree, unfortunately.

It's specifically advertised as jobs for people that they can start now and use as a stepping stone when they graduate. The jobs just aren't here, other than their nursing program (nurses are in high demand) the school only has 12% of graduates actually find a job.

Nevada's industry is more than just lacking. It's service jobs, gaming, warehousing and retail. Education in Nevada sucks and there are very few jobs in my chosen field. I'll probably be moving to Texas when I get out of the Army and work on rotary wing platforms for oil rigs, hospitals, forestry, or any number of industries that require rotary wing aviation assets. In Texas they are far more plentiful and pay better too.

I grew up in Nevada (Reno) but that was when economic times were better, I wouldn't mind living there again though. Gaming is my thing, though making video games not casino games (though with the freemium/pay as you go micro transaction model the two are getting really similar). Nevada still has some of that industry though, far more than around here at least.

You know, I tried to be positive and show you guys the half full glass, but all the excuses and negativity show that your problems are YOUR fault. Your problems stem from your way of seeing things.

A truck driver is NOT a dead end job. My ex's father made between 65k and 80k as an owner/operator (meaning you own your own truck).

But I can hear it now already "well I don't own a truck, and they are expensive...." you start at the bottom & work your way up my friend. Stop staring at the tenth floor in envy, and walk in the damn lobby! Everyone has to climb the stairs.

I also think part of the problem is that schools have sold every frickin' high-school kid the pipe dream of getting an education and then walking into 60k jobs...

They pushed that crap at my school too, and I believed it, but having lots of friends who made serious money in college on their own showed me what really matters is your desire. Desire knowledge, and you will learn something better than any kid in a classroom. My self and most of my close friends never finished our degrees, but do better than most these days.

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I've been looking for work since july, and i was force to look by state unemployment. Gotta look for at least two jobs a week! If you dont you wont receive benefits. I looked for 5-10 jobs a week. I'm still wondering how my perspective is the reason why they wont hire me.

Cover letter check
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Buisness casual check (for interview)

SubTruth
reply to post by darkbake

 

Bottom line many people under 30 bought in the progressive mindset. The pride many people have about taking handouts and working hard is lost when this mindset is present. And no not everyone under 30 bought into this lie.


Many parents let there children do anything they want and tell them they are winners no matter what. This is why the under 30 crown is failing and might never pull it together. I was raised to learn from failure......I had strict parents......I pay my own way.



If you are a parent and let your child think they are a winner no matter what and let them rule the house you had better be prepared to take care of them the rest of your life. The progressive mindset is failure in real life.

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Pure psychopath right there.

8675309jenny
A truck driver is NOT a dead end job. My ex's father made between 65k and 80k as an owner/operator (meaning you own your own truck).

Really? As a truck driver you will never be anything more than a truck driver. You might be able to put together a decent living doing it but being a truck driver isn't a job that will put you in a position to change the world. At best you'll own a couple trucks, hire some people, and make enough money to donate to political parties you like. The reality is such a job will never leave you in a position to do something bigger than yourself. You can make a nice life as a truck driver but that is all, you will never be more than a truck driver.

But I can hear it now already "well I don't own a truck, and they are expensive...." you start at the bottom & work your way up my friend. Stop staring at the tenth floor in envy, and walk in the damn lobby! Everyone has to climb the stairs.

Not at all, you can't evaluate a job by the entry level. Entry level is just that, from there you can build up. The end of the path for a career truck driver however isn't where I want to be. At the end it's still just a truck driver. My ideal path would be at the top of an industry.

I also think part of the problem is that schools have sold every frickin' high-school kid the pipe dream of getting an education and then walking into 60k jobs...

Fortunately for me, I don't dream of walking into a 60k job, or even a 50k job (the median wage) despite having 5 degrees. I would take 20k and be happy with it right now. Actually, I would take an unpaid position if it could grow into something else down the line. However, the economic reality is that such a thing is a fantasy. The cold hard truth is that society now needs fewer jobs than there are people to perform them, which completely breaks our current economic model.

OP,

Your sense that things are going from bad to worse is not an illusion.
However, the people who are calling you a whiner are absolutely right.
Individual outcomes are determined more often by attitude than ability, and the USA is still the best place on Earth to overcome a bad start in life.

Here is what I would do if I was 28 again and in your shoes, assuming I could not move to where the work is, which is what I did at 25.

1. Do 5 nice things for my parents every day. Think small, but be consistent.
2. Find whatever job that will pay me, and find extra jobs if I need to, but don't work more than 36-38 hours a week, unless the job is really worth it.
3. Go on a health kick, eat right and exercise. Offer to kick in money for food to get right nutrition.
4. No drugs or alcohol.
5. Save money and talk to rents about what I am saving for, college or trade school, better job, etc.
6. Become politically active.
7. Meet other 20 somethings who are politically active.
8. Create a large group of 20 somethings who are politically active.
9. Pool money, and marry other 20 somethings who are politically active.
10. Don't move to a communal farm and start doing hallucinagens, but eventually, move out or parents house after saving every possible dime, and stay politically active.
11. Change the world.

Your generation is like Neo.

M

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That list is a lie since it only shows personal wealth not the real corporate wealth and hidden assets that exists. Who cares about the 1%.

There are people who own the money system that feed the top of the top and that power do not trickle down. I do not mind a person being able to work hard and get something for it. What I do mind is having a parasitic system holding a person down so you need connections to really succeed so it is who you know that is important not what you do and effort you put in.

Humanity still have not learned the lesson. Greedy parasitic enslaving social structures that divides and conquers. Any wonder people are suffering on this planet. Human kind have created something closer to a ego demonic hell dimension compared to a divine symbiotic dimension.

The feeding the western bank system have done in Africa.
www.scriptonitedaily.com...

Much of this poverty and destitution is as a result of the myth of development. Western creditor nations (mostly ex-colonial) extended credit to African nations in the name of ‘development’, after the Second World War. In reality, it was merely to keep a surplus of petro-dollars making more money from the interest on loan payments, than in savings accounts during a time of high inflations (which would wipe the value). Later, when the interest rates became unpayable – the creditor nations offered ‘bridging loans’ often to despots, with extraordinary interest rates and conditions attached. These loans were called ‘Structural Adjustment Programmes’ and administered through the IMF. This became know as the Debt Trap – and once you understand the Debt Trap, you immediately see the concept of ‘development’ as a myth. The West is not helping to develop Africa, Africa is helping to develop the West.

Things have only gotten worse since. For all ‘developing’ countries, total external debt owed in 2011 was $4.9 trillion and over the course of that one year they paid $620 billion servicing these debts. In the same year, the total foreign aid supplied to the ‘developing world’ through the Development Assistance Committee of the OECD was just $133.5 billion[1]. This means that in 2011 alone, for every £1 the creditor nations gave the ‘developing world’ in foreign aid, the debtor nations that make up the so called ‘developing world gave almost £5 back in debt repayments. The whole premise of International Development is called into question when the nations involved are giving with one hand while taking five times as much with the other.

Time to build a new system and send anyone who comes with parasitic Ponzi schemes to the mental institutes where the greedy belongs.

andy06shake
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I'm surprised the Queen of England and the royal family are not in the top 10 considering the amount of land "They" own throughout the world.

The real list of the feudal overlords are not meant to be known by the common peons.

Aazadan

Really? As a truck driver you will never be anything more than a truck driver. You might be able to put together a decent living doing it but being a truck driver isn't a job that will put you in a position to change the world. At best you'll own a couple trucks, hire some people, and make enough money to donate to political parties you like. The reality is such a job will never leave you in a position to do something bigger than yourself. You can make a nice life as a truck driver but that is all, you will never be more than a truck driver.

What the actual f*ck.......??

Not at all, you can't evaluate a job by the entry level. Entry level is just that, from there you can build up. The end of the path for a career truck driver however isn't where I want to be. At the end it's still just a truck driver. My ideal path would be at the top of an industry.

So you're too good to be a truck driver? Your ideal path is at the top, yet right now you're unemployed.... WOW

Fortunately for me, I don't dream of walking into a 60k job, or even a 50k job (the median wage) despite having 5 degrees. I would take 20k and be happy with it right now. Actually, I would take an unpaid position if it could grow into something else down the line. However, the economic reality is that such a thing is a fantasy. The cold hard truth is that society now needs fewer jobs than there are people to perform them, which completely breaks our current economic model.

Holy crap man, I don't even know where to start addressing this...

Society does not need less jobs, our jobs are just sitting in India, China and Taiwan.

DO NOT ever mention to a prospective employer that you have 5 degrees.

It would seem you're highly overeducated and having delusions of grandeur. You're moaning about the employment situation, but then say you would work for free (total bullsh!t because if you'd work for free you'd already be working for some political group, they would happily take you), whilst saying your path is at the top, you have 5 degrees and you're too good to be a truck driver.

You irritate me.

8675309jenny
So you're too good to be a truck driver? Your ideal path is at the top, yet right now you're unemployed.... WOW

Where did I say I'm unemployed? I said quite the opposite actually. Like most jobs, it's a dead end job however.

Holy crap man, I don't even know where to start addressing this...

Society does not need less jobs, our jobs are just sitting in India, China and Taiwan.

Our jobs didn't suddenly flee in mass numbers when 2008 hit. We've replaced manufacturing jobs with service sector jobs, which is a bad thing overall but the number of jobs out there remained largely stable. It wasn't until the economic collapse that the jobs outright disappeared. The reason that they haven't come back, is that there is no need for them.

DO NOT ever mention to a prospective employer that you have 5 degrees.

So your suggestion is that I lie when listing my education? Besides, it sounds far more impressive than it actually is. 2 associates/3 bachelors all interrelated which greatly minimizes the amount of extra coursework.

...having delusions of grandeur.

Where did you get that impression? I simply expect a job to provide future opportunity. Isn't that what most people always preach? Even in this thread you see it. Work hard and you'll get promotions, be paid more, get a better job, etc...

You're moaning about the employment situation, but then say you would work for free (total bullsh!t because if you'd work for free you'd already be working for some political group, they would happily take you), whilst saying your path is at the top, you have 5 degrees and you're too good to be a truck driver.

You irritate me.

You see a problem with being willing to work for free in exchange for having an actual job somewhere down the line? That's the standard procedure in the financial sector with unpaid internships. Actually, the model is now shifting to paying for those internships.

Also, I never said I'm too good to be a truck driver... I said the end of a truck driving career isn't where I want to be. So why would I start down that path in the first place?