This Device Cured Cancer But BIG PHARMA Destroyed It! Must Read.

Okay first off lets get something out in the open. There are MANY devices on the internet and in whacky herb magazines that profess to be “Rife” machines….They are not. They are complete BS. Second anyone using a polaroid to diagnose a patient is a freaking witch doctor and your next step should be to leave as soon as possible. Rife did no such thing! Rife took his info to the grave because all of his notes and machines were confiscated and destroyed. No one today knows exactly how his original machines worked or were constructed. There are a few people that I have read that believe they are close to his designs and the last site I was reading was adamant that they were not 100% sure.
As for the assertion that Rife was using LF or MF or even HF to treat his patients that is not the case. The devices used the oscillators to drive a plasma coil (recall the Beam ray part of the device!). That coil was arranged in such a way as to induce 10 x the oscillation into the patient but its the waves of EM from the coil not audible sound that was the treatment.

Now I am not saying that Rife cured cancer. I am not a doctor. What I will say is that at least one person with an extensive electronics background has examined machines that are supposed to be original devices produced by the Beam ray corporation (not Rife’s original devices). I have an electronics background myself and I can tell you from his descriptions of the machines they are very much more than a simple quack device. Most people would look at an electronic board and not know a resistor from a Chiclet. You could fill a board with all kinds of useless circuits and no one without an EE would know the difference as long as they got a little tingle when they touched the “probes”. I seriously doubt that as much time and effort would have gone into the designs if the end goal was simply to separate dying patients from their money. I believe the Rife was on to something. I believe that he truly believed that he was helping people and that he truly did stop diseases. Now that may have been from a placebo effect or it may in fact have been from the effects of the machine that we don’t understand. I really don’t care. If I had cancer and only had a short time to live I would be more than willing to pay for the chance that it might work on me. I have seen people die from the radiation treatments that are currently in use and they are terrible, terrible deaths. What is a better scenario?

A patient going to John Hopkins having hundreds of thousands of dollars paid by their insurance company to undergo “cutting edge” chemo treatments. Become sick, lose all of their hair, barely be able to function on a daily basis and still die at 45.

A Patient going to a quack pot that pays 400 dollars for the possibility that it works and lives out those last few months doing everything on their bucket list because they still have the strength to do it?

I’ll take the second one and I don’t need some do-gooder government/ AMA stooge telling me otherwise “for my own good”.

Dragoon01
Rife took his info to the grave because all of his notes and machines were confiscated and destroyed.

That is the part that I am not buying. Especially since he supposedly complained about having been ruined.

As for the assertion that Rife was using LF or MF or even HF to treat his patients that is not the case. The devices used the oscillators to drive a plasma coil (recall the Beam ray part of the device!). That coil was arranged in such a way as to induce 10 x the oscillation into the patient but its the waves of EM from the coil not audible sound that was the treatment.

10x sound is LF.

I’ll take the second one and I don’t need some do-gooder government/ AMA stooge telling me otherwise “for my own good”.

Agreed but, it doesn't provide squat to the credibility of Rife tech.

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I understand its LF and I really didn’t phrase that paragraph very well. Maybe I just took you wrong but it sounded to me like you were implying that it was sound waves that were at work rather than EMF. Possibly I just misunderstood you.
I don’t agree that long waves of EMF cannot effect small cellular structures however. It depends on how the wave is acting on the structure. If it is inducing heating or some kind of high amplitude excitation of the internal material then yes I agree it would stand to reason that it would need to be smaller than the object, however if the wave was simply destabilizing the entire cell and that destabilization was inducing the internal breakdown then the wave could be of any size. Meaning we don’t know what level of harmonics are induced in the cellular structures by the waves that pass through them. Picture a small plastic bottle floating on the ocean. Will large amplitude low frequency waves induce serious internal sloshing of the water inside of the bottle? Do you have to have a high frequency of low amplitude waves to get the bottle to violently slosh inside?

Dragoon01
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Picture a small plastic bottle floating on the ocean. Will large amplitude low frequency waves induce serious internal sloshing of the water inside of the bottle? Do you have to have a high frequency of low amplitude waves to get the bottle to violently slosh inside?

We're talking about orders of magnitude difference in size. Think tides rather than waves. So no, tidal shifts (2 cycles per day) don't cause sloshing in a bottle.

Unless you're talking about doing damage to tissues using purely the amplitude of the electric field, which is simply shocking the cells in question and can be at any arbitrary frequency (and is thus frequency-independent), such a low frequency cannot affect cellular structures.

reply to post by Dragoon01

I wasn't really talking about what it would take to have the tech work but was pointing out the inconsistancies in Rife's claims of working with rays "beyond x-rays" and the frequencies that appear in some documentation.

UxoriousMagnus

MystikMushroom
I didn't realize cancer was a virus.

I was under the impression that cancer was neither a virus or bacteria, but rather mutations of the body's own cells.

actually cancer is a fungus...

the mainstream health care was not wanting to admit this but even the Mayo Clinic has now admitted it.

Um, yeah...that is not at all what the Mayo Clinic found. NOT EVEN CLOSE. www.sciencedaily.com...

jaffo

UxoriousMagnus

MystikMushroom
I didn't realize cancer was a virus.

I was under the impression that cancer was neither a virus or bacteria, but rather mutations of the body's own cells.

actually cancer is a fungus...

the mainstream health care was not wanting to admit this but even the Mayo Clinic has now admitted it.

Um, yeah...that is not at all what the Mayo Clinic found. NOT EVEN CLOSE. www.sciencedaily.com...

read between the lines....

"mimics" is used so that they don't have to directly admit what it is

reply to post by daskakik


Rife worked across a wide range of frequency. He specifically said that some of the freq's were sub audible or long wave and some were well above audible ranges. Now I don’t really subscribe to a vast medical conspiracy stuff that the OP presents. I really think it boiled down to just plain old personal vendetta by officials in California and his ability to produce results were irrelevant. He got some specific people mad at him and they used the government to crush him.

One thing that does strike me as evidence that he had achieved something.
The letters form the doctors that were using his device. They corresponded with him and spoke of results and testing that they were doing.
If they were not getting some result I don’t think they would have been doing that. I don’t think they would have been testing and working with a machine that they truly did not believe worked. If it was just a quack operation they would have just been talking straight business, how much money they had taken in and so forth.

UxoriousMagnus

read between the lines....

"mimics" is used so that they don't have to directly admit what it is

"Mimics" in this context basically means it confused doctors, who we can agree are 95% idiots.

Patient came in complaining of stomach pain, palpation reveals a hard mass, CT shows the same thing, nuclear imaging (PET) shows it's hot with growth. Has the diffusion characteristics and water content of a tumor, since it's a mass of cells, so MRI looks the same too.

Doctor says: looks like a tumor, feels like a tumor, smells like a tumor, you have cancer.

Truth is, you had a fungus. Not cancer. Actual tumors have human DNA, so unless you're onto something BIG here...

reply to post by Dragoon01

There is a chart I saw at some rife site with specific frequencies for specific pathogens. None are beyond x-ray. I am not in a position to say if anything he had worked or not but I can say that in that Popular Science article he seems to be talking BS.

As I have said before, there is a whole world outside of the US where he could have set up shop if he actually had what he claimed.

Dragoon01
Rife took his info to the grave because all of his notes and machines were confiscated and destroyed. No one today knows exactly how his original machines worked or were constructed.

That's simply not true. There are plenty of his machines still around, along with copious notes detailing his theories and "experiments." If somebody wants to build and test one, they can do it. They just turn out to be utter hogwash.

Dragoon01

Rife worked across a wide range of frequency. He specifically said that some of the freq's were sub audible or long wave and some were well above audible ranges.

If he specifically said it, it's even worse - radio waves are not audible, ever. Not even when they're "in the audible range". So if Rife was unclear on the differences between sound and radio, it doesn't make him more believable. At all.

More, the frequencies you see on his devices and in the small amount of material you can find, even if he was working with sound - he wasn't - it would all have been in the MF and HF radio range, and would have been many orders of magnitude past "the audible range".

amfirst1
Cancer cells operate around 6hz, so if u change the frequencies it will die off.

Who says? 6 Hz of what? How did they measure it? Was it replicated?

UnderGetty

I'm no self proclaimed medical expert like you, but luckily for everyone, the principle is simple enough for even a Luddite like me to grasp. The basis by which the Rife machine works is harmonic frequencies. That's it. Find the harmonic frequency of a molecule, cell, virus, the earth (read Tesla), and you can transfer energy to the object to the point where is destructs.

First, "harmonic" means nothing more than that you have a frequency that's an integer multiple of some other one. So 12MHz is the second harmonic of 6MHz. It doesn't mean "resonant", which seems to be what you're talking about.

Next, like the word "frequency", "resonance" asks the question - resonant to what? It's a sad falsehood that "everything has a magic resonant frequency", promulgated at first by theosophists. Everything doesn't. It's also false to say you can transfer energy to an object to the point where it destructs due to magic resonance of some sort. Whether you can or not depends on the object actually HAVING a well defined resonance, and not having more damping than you are supplying energy. If a mechanical system dissipates energy faster than you're delivering it, all the mechanical resonance in the world won't cause energy to build up in that system.

Finally, in this case, Rife is using radio waves. EM doesn't cause mechanical stress. So you aren't going to be shaking something apart with it.

I think I even experienced this myself at the park recently while pushing one of my kids on a swing. Small, well timed pushes resulted in an accumulation of energy.

Mechanical energy, mechanical system. Yet if your kid had been dragging his feet on the dirt, all the small well timed pushes would have had no effect. That's damping.

It's the exact same principle behind acoustic weapons, just different frequencies and mode of delivery.

Mechanical energy, mechanical system. How many radio wave weapons have you seen shake an object apart? 0. Sound is not radio, radio is not sound.

whitewave
Rife's lab was vandalized, his notes destroyed, his equipment smashed. He did have a partner but the partner was not even an engineer.

And the dog ate his homework. So, tell me, did this happen about the time his fraud was about to be exposed? That's generally when it happens.

There's also plenty of information available about how frequencies of light as well as sound affect the human body. Rife was not a quack. He was a brilliant engineer who tried to uplift humanity and was vilified and physically beaten for his efforts.

Or, he was a fraud, had run the thing to its end, and for the denouement he had the usual dog ate my homework episode, which is a sort of "diabolus ex machina" thing you get with cranks. When you are about to be exposed, poof, no plans, no devices and "I can't work on it any more or They® will kill me". Convenient.

reply to post by Skywatcher2011


a few years back there was a company started up by some johns hopkins researchers. used medicine with a thermal sensitive coating designed to be absorbed by cancer cells. targeted microwave would heat the tumor and dissolve the coating releasing the drug directly into the cancer but not surrounding healthy cells.
couldn't come up with the $ to meet FDA requirements so the company folded, but all the Drs at the hospital knew it worked.

reply to post by Bedlam


you can use a laser to induce an acoustic wave for material fault testing

you can also use microwave induced heating to create a mechanical wave

In any ways, the frequency route, the electric-body-energy route has been a target for ridicule for a long time. I wonder if that has anything to do with a conspiracy? :-)
Rife was on to something. The fact that it is still taboo in science reveal something. Something means something, you know. ;-)

reply to post by lovizall


Yes it's taboo because people have sold this as a cure for disease giving false hope to terminally ill people; worse , to people who were curable with traditional medical care.

This doesn't work!