This is Golden: "Don't Frack In my Backyard" - Exxon CEO, Rex Tillerson

reply to post by iRoyalty


And it's bull#. He doesn't want to look at a water tower. Has nothing to do with fracking.

Asktheanimals
This just points out the true nature of crony capitalism -
Profits are only made at the expense (or health) of others.

Not necessarily 100% true. Eventually, the pollution and/or environmental damage will be global. Most of these people have or will have children and/or decedents who will have to live in the world they're polluting/damaging/whatever. They may be inconsiderate but I don't think they're too stupid to realize that. They would have to know they're dooming their own children along with everyone else. Not exactly the same as not caring about someone you barely know.

Brit-Tex
Talklikeapirat thank you for summing this up, iroyalty has fallen for a media hit piece that did not report the full lawsuit for what it actually filled.

Yes, but still, how many homes has he ruined and devalued with his fracking process, even if it's just with giant water towers and construction traffic? I never said in the OP that he was filing a lawsuit because he was worried of health concerns, he would obviously never publicly state that. He has done this to countless people, it just seemed like some poetic justice with a hint of irony.

I used it as an excuse to talk about fracking because it's one of the few things that really gets me mad. If anyone knew me in real life, they would know that's a very hard thing to achieve.

FYI - response from a retired oil executive

IRoyalty,

You linked the article with fracking operations when the actual law suit was not about fracking it was about water tower that could be used to store water for fracking operations, I do actually work in the industry of oil and gas working with land owners.

Water towers are not used in the storage of water in the area where i work in the oil industry what we do is we build the land owner a pond usually 7-15 acres in size with water wells around the edge to fill these ponds then the water is piped out of these ponds to the drill site. the ponds are turned over to the land owner at the completion of operations we then build piers and plant trees and stock these ponds with fish if the land owners ask so over all the land owner has 2-4 water wells $10,000 + each, with electric to them $20,000 for electric line running to them, a pond 7-15 acres $70,000- $150,000 because the pond has to be built to hold water. then you build a pier and stock with fish and plant vegetation around the pond if they want it, $20,000 to $50,000.
We do this all for the landowner if they let us build a pond on there property.

The picture you placed in your first post is somewhat accurate, after the well is drilled there is a plug at the end and then the casing is cemented in the fraction process is completed through the casing, and the fractures are usually no more that 30-50 feet into the shale formation which is close to 70-150 feet depending where in the formation you are. the gas land video you posted has be debunked many times, and gas land 2 was shown to have pipe natural gas through that hose they light on fire !!!! also the environmental scientist they use her name escapes me has no qualifications in geo sciences. Also the EPA monitor in Dallas was colluding with Josh Fox to create a hysteria.

Now I work in the industry and would lose my job if fracking and oil and gas industry failed to exist but i would find another job in another industry i do believe that fracking needs to be researched more the technology has been around for a long time but as another poster pointed out vertical fracking was not as invasive and never used as much water.

I personally have not seen peoples water sources destroyed because of fracking that might happen in the future,but prior to fracking we have to do a mile radius environment water sampling study to see what particles in the water wells, then after completing of the fracking process we re-complete that water sampling process to see if there has been any connectivity between the water used in the fracking process and the local water wells.

So far we have not had any connectivity.

reply to post by Brit-Tex


Perhaps because these people are being gagged?

What are your bosses hiding?

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What about the people who get sick from area with fracking? The ones who also have gag orders.

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Do you have information available to show where the methane in the water sources was debunked please?

This is from the 43 judicial District Court

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We have no gag orders on any of our land owners.


I don't know of the air impacts but i am round the wells and pipelines daily and have not had any symptoms that any one else has had that has been around them the last 3 1/2 years.

I believe that the fracking needs more study.

I don't think it is settled science and i don't believe it has no influence in the environment, every industry has influence in the environment where energy is produced, wind farms kills off birds through there migration patterns and the environmental disaster that is china where the magnets are produced for these wind farms is horrendous also the cells are made from rare earth minerals for solar panels this destroys the environment.

Brit-Tex
This is from the 43 judicial District Court

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We have no gag orders on any of our land owners.


I don't know of the air impacts but i am round the wells and pipelines daily and have not had any symptoms that any one else has had that has been around them the last 3 1/2 years.

I believe that the fracking needs more study.

I don't think it is settled science and i don't believe it has no influence in the environment, every industry has influence in the environment where energy is produced, wind farms kills off birds through there migration patterns and the environmental disaster that is china where the magnets are produced for these wind farms is horrendous also the cells are made from rare earth minerals for solar panels this destroys the environment.

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That only really provides a debunk for one of them. One of the people who claim the flaming taps is a little old lady, who refused to move when the fracking process began in her area. You really think she would go through all the effort to hook up her water taps with gas lines?

Gas companies own so much money, in the modern world, Justice is bought and information is power. Do you not think that it's even probable that there have been issues of a leakage? Of a possible contamination from something that went wrong and the gag orders are there for a 'just in case' scenario. You said you have no gag orders for the people who's land your on, did they sign ANYTHING? Most contracts come with a non-disclosure agreement and the people signing don't even know until they take the contract to a lawyer.

I'm not 100% about the airborne problems, as you say, people working on it are fine. However did you ever drink the water from a nearby river? Or drink the water used in the process? I highly doubt it.

It says, right in the language of the suit:

"Furthermore, upon information and belief, BWSC will sell water to oil and gas explorers for fracing shell formations leading to traffic with heavy trucks on FM 407, creating a noise nuisance and traffic hazards."

Notice "upon information and belief", of course Rex Tillerson has information this tower will be used for fracking, and suing to stop the tower will stop the fracking.

Notice also how the lawsuit misspells "fracking" as "fracing" - was that done on purpose to keep the public from finding the suit via keyword searching court records for the term "fracking?"

Notice too the suit seeks to stop fracking related truck traffic - another roundabout way to kill fracking in your area. They can't frack if they can't erect fracking-related water towers or allow fracking-related truck traffic.

Maybe everyone should keep a copy of this suit on file, so when fracking comes to your area, you have the lingo used by a high-priced lawyer and the 1% to kill it.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Probably a wise decision. I feel like Tillerson may have shot himself in the foot if this lawsuit goes through, it can be referenced in court and make an easy win for others.

saneguy
FYI - response from a retired oil executive

I'm sorry this went unnoticed! I will put this up so everyone can see.

This is a letter from one of the Executive vice-presidents after the Mobil merger who retired.

Dear Rex,

We have never met, but I worked for your company for six months immediately after the ExxonMobil merger, the implementation of which I coordinated from the Mobil side. That was after thirty years with Mobil Oil Corporation, where just prior to the merger I had been an Executive Vice President and Operating Officer for Exploration and Producing in the U.S., Canada and Latin America. I now live in upstate New York. For the past five years, I have been actively trying to keep your company and the rest of the industry from fracking here. I understand from several press articles that you have fracking issues of your own, with a fracking water tower and truck traffic possibly detracting from your view and the value of your home.

In response to the prospect of fracking ruining our communities, many New York towns have passed zoning laws that prohibit heavy industry, including any activities associated with drilling for oil and gas. Those laws, along with very little prospect for economic gas production in New York, mean that we probably will not have to look at fracking water towers, let alone live next to fracking well pads. I say probably, because your industry is still fighting those zoning laws in the courts.

Ironically, your reasoning at the Bartonville, Texas town council meetings is virtually identical to the reasoning that I and many other citizens used to convince our local town councils to pass laws that prohibit the very problem you have encountered, plus all of the other infrastructure and waste disposal issues associated with fracking.

No one should have to live near well pads, compression stations, incessant heavy truck traffic, or fracking water towers, nor should they have their water or air contaminated. You and I love the places where we live, but in the end, if they are ruined by fracking or frack water tanks, we can afford to pack up and go someplace else. However, many people can’t afford to move away when they can no longer drink the water or breathe the air because they are too close to one of your well pads or compressor stations.

My efforts to prevent fracking started over water — not the prospect of having to see a water tank from my home, but rather regulations that would allow gas wells near our sources of drinking water, in addition to well pads next to our homes, schools, hospitals and nursing homes. These issues are legitimate, but they are localized. I am now much more concerned with the greenhouse gas impacts of fossil fuels in general, and particularly the huge impact of methane emissions from natural gas production and transportation. These are global problems that local zoning cannot protect against. Only a major shift toward renewable energy sources can begin to mitigate their catastrophic climate impacts.

Before closing, I should explain why I have referred to ExxonMobil as “your company. ” For several years after retiring I thought of Exxon Mobil as “my company. ” I thought that the company’ s rigor and discipline in investing in sound projects was as good as it gets, and ExxonMobil was my largest single investment. I no longer own any shares of ExxonMobil or any other fossil fuel company. I would prefer to be an early investor in alternative energy for the 21st century rather than hanging on to dwindling prospects for investments in 19th and 20th century fossil fuels.

It is time that ExxonMobil started shifting away from oil and gas, and toward alternatives — both for environmental reasons and to protect the long-term viability of the company. Many large energy producers and consumers, including ExxonMobil, are building a carbon fee into their long-term planning assumptions. Actively supporting the phase-in of a carbon fee would be one way to move the company into the 21st century. Recognizing that methane emissions disqualify natural gas as a “bridge fuel” is another.

Good luck with that fracking water tank. I hope you don’t have to move , and also that you will help a lot of other people stay in the homes they love.

Regards,

Lou Allstadt

I think that all of the people who he has displaced from Fracking, should all ban together and then file lawsuits against him to ensure that such does happen near his ranch, and ensure that such happens. Using the different lawsuits that he has won as legal precedence to prove to a court that he is wrong and that he can not and should not stop such, and see how he likes it.