Has anyone been 'permanently abducted' or abducted for more than 2+weeks and returned?

reply to post by StormyStars

I AM female.

Yes you made that clear throughout the thread. I was referring to how that poster seemed portrayed, if that was not clear, I'm sorry.

Your posts seem to have a misandry about them sometimes IMO though, with male related words in all caps while criticizing another's post.

I thought the OP asked for more than 2 weeks in the post though not the title. 2 weeks was our limit though, not longer, only once otherwise 1-6 hours at other times.

...ok. The entirety of the OP is:

I know Travis Walton hold the record for the longest abduction (5 days), but I'm wondering if there are others who were infact taken by the aliens and have not been returned.

and the title is:

Has anyone been 'permanently abducted' or abducted for more than 2+weeks and returned?

...BUT...The comment of mine you are responding to (a permanent abductee couldn't respond anyway) was an aside to the OP, while talking to a different poster.

Neither time directed to you.

Taking every post and comment by each poster personally as if it is directed towards you and your story is (IMO) either egocentric or so overly defensive that whatever anyone says about anything, you automatically feel a need tell your side/story. To defend yourself against everyone...the world?

Whether or not there are authentic contactees/abductees, there are absolutely false ones caused by delusion, hoax etc. So when I see a contactee automatically assuming that other people's experiences are authentic ET contacts, I see that person as the one being closed minded. They should be open to the possibility that hoaxes and delusions exist in a world where they very clearly exist, and along those lines they shouldn't assume that any skepticism applied is by someone who's only interested in stonewalling.

AliceBleachWhite

StormyStars

Are you 100% sure of that? If you are, I'd appreciate a link/URL/source on where & what year it is please?

I actually DO have 3 witnesses, 2 unable to move or speak during my abductions, & one who was trying to pull me back inside as I was FLOATING out. There was no sleep for ANY parts of those. But if you have given actual facts, then we all must have been hallucinating on a gas leak or similar? As we did not drink or drug..... If what you claim is 100% fact right up to this year, then I guess it must be, though there are many that would not buy into that, especially those 3..... So we would appreciate seeing your source also please.... & thank you for your input.

Question:

As someone that claims accreditation in a concentration that's given some study into these experiential phenomena where the vast majority of these claimed experiences on inquiry indicate experiences of an entirely subjective internal nature, what would be your initial responsible professional course of logical interrogation in beginning determination were any random X person to make such claims?

Gut, faith and discernment- If the enemy exists (what they are doing makes them the enemy), why would they not be covert? Why would they not poison the well of information? MK Ultra. It's a real program.

reply to post by AliceBleachWhite

So, you wouldn't lead off with a diagnostic interview to ascertain whether random person X was suffering from Recurrent Sleep Paralysis, or exhibiting presentation of a Schizotype?
You wouldn't start in giving query, as a professional, in ascertaining whether or not the most common quantities affecting any given population may have plausible attribution?

If it were in fact so SUBJECTIVE, Psychiatrist & Physical exam visit 1st reply to post by AliceBleachWhite

It is at the top of my reply to you.

Chips? Wires?
I have no clue what you're talking about in regards to chips and wires, or where that came from, but, I'm fairly certain any chips with wires coming from anywhere is likely 1970s Terrestrial technology since chips and chip boards have been printed and etched sans-wires for a very very long time now. Chips with wires, if attribution is being touted as "alien" would imply aliens are technologically retarded.

Most Abductees have something similar or the same. ( Forgive me please. I have been up 2 days & nights & still so the name of it quite eludes me atm. My 1st cousin/flat mate & his friend were in a MVA Sunday at 1715 & though I wasn't there, saw it. More on that to come, just 1 of those little gifts/curses? ) They look like little topical raises on the the skin. Those areas start to show black, red & blue extremely tiny fibers/wires/threads? And also become very irritated, blister a bit & the irritation spreads a bit more till surgically removed. What comes from mine, ( I never saw the one from other people ), are what looks to be extremely tiny slivers of hematite. Every time, my Dr.'s, Peers & friends send them out, they are sent to Toronto labs for analysis.
When they come back about 6 weeks or so later, the reports are always the same, " Unknown metal alloy, electronic device, of unknown origins." There are usually 2 or 3, maybe more, yet I'd had one over my right inner wrist that couldn't be removed as it was over the wrist artery. It was there upon waking the very next morning my youngest daughter was born August 3rd 1986. It was just gone one morning 2006.

Considering your implied age, I'm deducing your claimed personal experiences occurred between 1950s-1970s when there were indeed some rather spooky fun programs going on, all entirely terrestrial.
While far fetched, if your experiences were indeed genuine physical abduction experiences, it'd be far more likely causation rests with entirely terrestrial sources.

If your accreditation is what you claim, you should be familiar with Scopolamine and may have even had it administered during childbirth.
It's no secret that, among many other fun concoctions and more technological devices were employed in several spooky programs, all entirely capable of facilitating any number of impressions, and even purposed false memories, as well as complete dissociation.

eh.

Yes. I was born August 16th 1964. I was/am very gifted. In 1969, I was taken to a camp/school that could only be reached by plane at that time where I & others were trained in all manner of various things from martial arts, maths, reading, writing, survival, shooting, ( Hand guns, small rifles, bow & arrow, small cross bow, various knives of odd shapes & regular switch & hunting type bade which we were all gifted one as awards? Mine was a jade handled butterfly switch, safe outdoor foods surprisingly good, such as wild lily bulbs like sweet potato flavor, wild cabbage, onions, mint, turtle & bird eggs, used moss like we now use aloe, wild nuts & berries, birch bark as bowls & cooking over flame, Seneca, ginger, sage, while willow, thistle for medicinal & food purposes, fiddle heads, remote viewing & other similar, " Games." hunting, 1st fish & smaller prey like rabbits, spruce hens, etc till prey got bigger & bigger, languages, etc.
We were also constantly tested, poked, prodded, injections, pills, liquid meds, blood work, X-Rays & more.
We had all been born with certain immunities, 1 of mine TB, I've died 8 times, 2nd last time for 5+ minutes, we come back so far. Out the next year but the Queen & Diefenbaker landed there in a helicopter, I was the only one who got a silver Queen Elizabeth Dollar & the only one to got a Diefenbaker Silver Dollar & a hug & kiss by both, which didn't make me popular a we all got medals & handshakes yet I got the other 2 things.
We all had/have certain abilities. our lives forever changed. No childhoods. I haven't ages past 28-30, knock on wood lol
But we all have illnesses also, mine Thyroid & MS. We all had cancers. Some, like my parents have fairly recently died.
It was not only humans testing us. Tall humanoids all looking the same.
Check out G-17 Taskforce69.

I can't continue atm, I'm tired. Yes, the Scoplamine, Phenobarbitol, you name it.

W/E

reply to post by InhaleExhale


Apologies. I must not have understood your question/s and/or responses. What exactly were they again?

reply to post by Chamberf=6


Apologies to you as well then, for misunderstanding your reply to the poster and thinking it was about my reply.
Thank you for the OP's 1st statement and question, but I'd already gone back and looked.
The two weeks+ was in the title.
I was close enough to the + aspect.
I guess you are totally innocent...........

I was listening to this radio show with Anya Briggs a couple nights ago. She was talking about her experiences talking to other people about ilitary abductions so i'm not exactly sure who this knowledge really came from (or if it's true) but she said that like 90% of milabs (not alien abductees) are never returned but the ones that are returned and keep getting taken again are being used for a reason. It's an interesting interview. There may be something to what she's saying regarding that because many kids go missing that are hush-hushed and not mentioned on the news, tons actually. 90% seems a bit much though. Also in the middle of the show I think aroun 1 hou 24 min. there's this random interference of screaming, it's creepy as hell. churchofmabusradio.com...

reply to post by StormyStars


According to Sleeper here on ats, Lou Baldin on his site, has said that many of these outings where a person feels more tired when they wake up, is working in the salt mines of the solar system, et/black op thing, or something like that. He has mentioned the salt mines and replied to a friend who I was sort of helping for memories in the beginning, about those salt mines. One of my experiences, the one where they told me, this day took 9 days to complete, where my brother, father, and second oldest son were abducted first and I was demanding they were returned under the stars. In the memory I was given, they were returned, they just fell out the sky, covered in this orange soot, and wearing navy blue coverall almost like airport mechanic suits or something, and then they took them off and shook them off. When I woke up and ran down the stairs, my son was up and told me the whole room had spun, and he felt he was just dropped off.

There are different kinds of outings. The 2 who have the most pertinent information to me, and even quantum physics understanding of the universe, were Sleeper and ET_Man, both saying similiar things at times, especially some of my conversations with ET_MAN in private and his last message to me was about how lou has most of the answers, is right on most things. But he knew what I believed about the Love and he said, Love never gives up on anyone. This takes eternity because it may take that long to get everyone back home, free will intact. You can't force people home. Some spin down.

But both used the word pixie dust,(it takes your happy thoughts to fly, is what comes to my mind) and related to trips back home or with family, that you didn't always get to remember, it was a real gift if you did. I suspect to remember you would need to have made a significant soul break through doing the work you came to do so it would be on a new level of work. ie maybe you go home, or to a higher assignment/placement finally because you did it, so would pass away here. But other than that, maybe you stay and start to something new. More is shown when people are ready or if it doesnt interfere with their purpose for being here. But often times when you remember a little, if it was a trip with Family, you could spend weeks there, and be returned a nano second later, you wouldn't most likely remember, it would more like something that stays with you under the surface of life to inspire you, keep you lifted up and positive, going, not get dragged down. Or even give you a peak into future possibilities, what your next steps might look like.

raedar
reply to post by nugget1

 

Yes, I am familiar with that "phenomenon" and am wondering why you seem to think you know where I stand. Hmmmm...

Just asking if it ever occurred to you, since you never mentioned giving it any consideration.
Thanks for the response.

reply to post by StormyStars


I'm a little curious about your 'schooling'; you stated in another post:

yet I hadn't ever lived with my parents as I was in an all girls Remote Roman Catholic school from age 4 till made to marry at age 15

So I find myself wondering what kind of Catholic school teaches:

In 1969, I was taken to a camp/school that could only be reached by plane at that time where I & others were trained in all manner of various things from martial arts, maths, reading, writing, survival, shooting, ( Hand guns, small rifles, bow & arrow, small cross bow, various knives of odd shapes & regular switch & hunting type bade

You say :

outdoor foods surprisingly good, such as wild lily bulbs like sweet potato flavor, wild cabbage, onions, mint, turtle & bird eggs, used moss like we now use aloe, wild nuts & berries, birch bark as bowls & cooking over flame, Seneca, ginger, sage, while willow, thistle for medicinal & food purposes, fiddle heads, remote viewing & other similar, " Games." hunting, 1st fish & smaller prey like rabbits, spruce hens, etc till prey got bigger & bigger, languages, etc. We were also constantly tested, poked, prodded, injections, pills, liquid meds, blood work, X-Rays & more.

Forgive my curiosity, but that doesn't sound like any Catholic schooling I'm familiar with. It sounds more like a Girl Scout camp.

Is there a reason your parents never let you live with them?

The reason I ask is because it reminds me of Whitely Striber's account of his experience.

reply to post by nugget1


You're right to be curious, I would be too.


Forgive my curiosity, but that doesn't sound like any Catholic schooling I'm familiar with. It sounds more like a Girl Scout camp.

Is there a reason your parents never let you live with them?

The reason I ask is because it reminds me of Whitely Striber's account of his experience.

It was a far cry from a Girl Scout camp & I was there from age four to Fourteen, & we did so much more than I can state.
The Roman Catholic School was actually a small part mainly a cover.
I never read or seen anything of Whitley Steibler ? Striber's? though I've seen a cover, it was in the fictional section at Cole's. So I didn't bother getting it.

My late Mom tried to shoot me one summer day just a week before my 4th Birthday picking weeds with my late Dad. Good thing she was too drunk to actually use it. She said I was a Devil's child, the Devil was from outer space, a planer called Tishuan?
My Dad called his friend's Mother who was a Government Agent. She came and tested me for almost a week. My IQ was/is 240. If I was highly emotional, my eyes are mood eyes lol! Like mood rings.....they changed/change colour in the same way.
My gifts are stronger the stronger my emotion. Really mad? Doors and window open & close, usually TV's come on and off like the radio & other electrical things. That year the TV blew up, light bulbs exploded & I floated in the air.
My Dad knew what Mrs. D was, what she did. She determined if I was right for the RC/International Special task force.
My scores were extremely high & next I knew, her & I were in a chopper then small plane.
Then the RC School/training camp.
I can't tell you the 1st 2 things they made newbies do to see if they have the right stuff to go further or be sent home.
We never get out.
I had assignments even the 3 years I was in a wheel chair from MS.
I've been out of the wheel chair 8 years now though I still have MS.
You're not out till death, so you don't want to come back.........
It still hurts that my late Dad knew.....pretty much everything.
My late Mom didn't. Her's was an extremely RC family, so RC school bothered her, she showed no sign of suspicion till I'd moved 23 time, then tried questioning me after I'd moved 46 times by the time I was 45. I could tell her anymore than I've told you, which only make her believe once again that I was the Devil's Daughter & a Witch as she experienced some of my abilities.
She never trusted me & set up an arranged marriage to an Anglican Minister's son, which only lasted 13 years.
Though she called me her baby, ( I'm an only child ), and told me she loved me & I wasn't ever a bad child, teen or person.....I think my late Dad told her the truth a few hours before....
It wasn't just Governments. E.T Aliens work with them closely.
When we move, they always find us.
Today's newbies have trigger words and don't have to remember everything.............

reply to post by StormyStars


Thank you for your candid response; there is so much information in your reply that I'm still trying to digest it all!

To be totally honest with you, I don't know what to think- but I am thinking!

I haven't read much about experiences like yours, but have been hearing of more and more people having had similar memories.
I used to think my evil childhood babysitter was a bad memory, but stories like yours make me feel fortunate!

Ms.Nugget

This is a thread the the sadly, now late, Tony Dodd would have enjoyed. For those unaware of him Tony Dodd was along serving British Police Officer who spent many long hours studying and interviewing people about UFOs. his particular area of interest of was the relation of "Animal Mutilations" to the UFO field. in the course of his investigations he also came across some really rather strange tales of possible "Human Abduction" where, the dead bodies of those missing turned up completely bald from head to toe.

Through his connection sin the Police he claimed that, a family from the Brecon area of Wales, still officially listed as "Missing" had been found some weeks later in such a state and that this included the child/children. He also claimed that, the bodies were "recovered" by a specialist team and that, that was the last that was ever heard of them.

He also claimed that, the half dozen "manikins" found in a field in North Yorkshire were likewise the completely hairless bodies of missing people who are still listed officially, as "missing". What makes Tony's claims stand out are that, he was a long serving police officer and some of his information was gleaned from his police contacts. Those who knew him have said that, he probably never went fully public with some of what he knew as to do so would have exposed the source of his inside information.

However, if Tony's claims are factual then, there are indeed about a dozen British citizens of all ages when they vanished, still officially listed as "Missing" when in fact it is known they turned up dead in the strangest of circumstances and the police have never gone public about them.

Interesting read here by Tony... The Jason Williams Case

For my own part, I do remember one case I read of in the 1970s whilst laid up in bed post an operation on my foot. A relative knew I had a fascination for old encyclopaedias and annuals and brought me a sort of "Boys Own Compendium" they'd found at a Jumble Sale. It was published shortly prior to WW2 and contained the usual stories of daring do and sporting achievements however, there were also a series of short pieces between the chapters and comic strip stories about "Weird but True" happenings. One of them has stuck with me ever since and I have tried a few times to ascertain whether it was true and was the tale published elsewhere. one thing I do remember about the story was that, the credits for it claimed it was from the collection of strange events catalogued by Charles Fort and this was the first time I had come across his name.

The story was of a British Army officer attached to a surveying team in India during the late period of the 19th century. he was part of the team that was tasked with surveying the more remote parts of the then British Empire and was mapping a part of the Hindu Kush. This was a pretty wild area, for that matter by many accounts, it still is, and he was part of a small yet heavily armed expedition, that was busy working surveying the terrain for military maps. One of the officers, from memory his name was Edwards, set off with several armed local guides to survey a particular peak and vanished. The guides returned to the main camp claiming he had been "enveloped by a bright light" and simply disappeared. As one might imagine, the other members of the British party thought that the guides were lying and had either killed him or he had an accident and they were too scared to say where for fear they would be blamed for not rescuing/helping/bringing his body back.

Under arrest and military guard, the guides took the other British troops to where this had happened and there as indeed no sign of the officer save, for his field glasses case found neatly left on a rock outcrop. The expedition returned to their base and the guides were incarcerated whilst charges were considered and more evidence sought. It was thought that , one of the guides, sooner or later, would spill the beans about what really happened in order to bargain for their freedom/life.

Then, roughly six weeks after he had vanished, Edwards turned up in Rawalpindi many miles from where he disappeared slightly dishevelled, totally disorientated and yet, almost clean shaven with no memory of where he had been and convinced, he'd only been "gone" for 2-3 days. All Edwards could remember was that, he was studying a ridge formation through his field glasses when he was enveloped in mist and he had lost contact with his guides. The next thing he knew he was standing on a road a few miles from Rawalpindi where he walked to and reported to the local commander.

Now, down the years, a couple of things have struck me about this story. Firstly it's generally accepted that, when the battalion of volunteers went missing during the Gallipoli campaign during World War 1 the stroy about them "being seen enveloped by a cloud before they vanished" was concocted by a British Intelligence officer. Partly to assuage the fears of the then King and Queen who many of the missing battalion had worked fro on the Sandringham Estate and partly as a sort of propaganda akin to the idea that the troops had been "rescued by Angels" ala, the "Angel of Mons" stories widely published in the British press that claimed that. During the battle of Mons, Angels with bows had been seen in the sky supporting the British Troops against the German advance. I wonder if the inspiration for that story came from British Intelligence officer having read about the Edwards incident?

Secondly , the book was from 1937/38 and I wonder if this tale was one of those, the notes of which were destroyed by Charles Fort during one of his manic episodes and that is why it is not better known? Where did Fort find out about the story? A newspaper or magazine article or, was he told the tale first hand by someone else?

Thirdly and this probably is just one of those weird synchronicities, the opening scenes of the remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" seem to bare a striking similarity to this tale as well, maybe the screen writer knew of it or it was there buried deep in the back of their mind, to burrow its' way to the surface when they needed to write that script?

To my mind, the Edward's case has all the classic symptoms of a modern abduction case only , in the late 19th century they didn't have the vocabulary or "cultural" back ground to think "UFO"?

Edwards apparently claimed never to have any memory of those missing half a dozen weeks and what confounded the British military was that. Edward's had travelled hundreds of miles. ostensibly on foot and yet, he and his uniform were in pretty good condition including his boots. What's more, Edwards had safely navigated unguided, through many miles of unmapped territory where, a lone British officer would have almost certainly been either kidnapped and held for ransom or, simply killed by any one of a myriad of various factions and gangs that ran the area away from the cities and forts.

StormyStars

Sry. Felt choked. Haven't seen Dr. Karla Turner since February !4th !996.

...

She still called me Baby Professor that day so she must have been lucid...
When did she pass on?

EvilBat
She passed on January 10, 1996.

She must have been REALLY lucid.