The Dead Bankers and the ATS Cheering Section

reply to post by MOMof3


Oh please do you think those people who lost everything in the stock market should blame everyone but themselves?

GET A GRIP ON REALITY

Your actions are your responsibility, and giving some asshole your money is one of those risks people need to start taking responsibility for!

OpinionatedB
reply to post by Klassified

 

When there was mob activity we go after the mobsters, and when the government wont do it, we need to create an air where the government will start doing what WE hired them to.

But murder and witch hunts are never the answer... this is why we have laws and say justice is blind and allow the guilty to speak and show evidence and have punishments to fit crimes.

The people of this country have tried to use the system and proper channels to correct America's problems for decades. Our rogue government isn't listening. They're only getting worse, and doing quite the opposite of what we want. They have become the murderers and witch hunters against their own people, and anyone else who gets in their way. They have set themselves up in lavish lifestyles off the blood, sweat, and tears of the people they are supposed to be serving. They have conspired with the banksters to rob the American people of the wealth they once had.

I may not agree with lynch mobs, and indiscriminate killing, but I have no sympathy for them when someone decides to play by the same rules they are playing by. Which is no rules at all. The system is broken, and using a broken system to fix itself isn't gonna work.

OpinionatedB
reply to post by nerbot

 

Why not fast food workers? They give the nation crap food...

Why not clothing stores? God knows this takes advantage of chinese people.

And while we are at it why not have hatred for every single orange grove owner and worker... they take advantage of mexicans and pay low wages.

Oh, and lets not forget the auto manufacturers and workers who steadily work toward destroying the envirornment, should we hate them and kill them off?

My God if we don't approve of a particular field, we should not partake in that field. I am against alcohol, so I don't do anything to support those businesses who supply alcohol and make alcohol. But guess what, I don't hate anyone for their views on it, I simply don't share the same views therefore my hard-earned money doesn't support it.

I am not ready to kill everyone involved in the alcohol industry, thats insanity.

How about a new motto, deny ignorance, and encourage sanity!

edit on 17-2-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

Yes, what about all those "Wal-Mart" employees earning minimum wage - they sell us crap from China and are ruining the country - are we going after them? Everyone who owns a gas station or sits behind the counter there? Your teenager who works at Mickey D's, they knew what they were doing, helping the corporate giant grow bigger while feeding us crap. Oh, it's only at a certain level, above branch manager and teller? How ridiculous. These are moms and dads earning a living for their families. Some were the teller and worked themselves up in the organization to run marketing or operations or technology in the bank. Did they get pulled into a secret room and given some voodoo to turn them into fiends worthy of death? Please think about the ludicrousness.

Those companies that make alcohol that many of you here on ATS enjoy (a bit too much at times , they are filthy rich. They've also helped cause many an accident that has killed innocent people, have caused many ruined lives due to alcoholism. Are we going to applaud if they are suicided? No. How about gun makers? They surely have blood on their hands. Where would it ever end?

We are all part of this system. It might be a system that is run by some powerful, uncaring people. But we are part of it. We may not have a choice, the world is such that you have to work to get paper to pay for food and shelter. But we all get a job or get a series of jobs to make ends meet. Some are ambitious, or lucky, or whatever, and rise up a bit, making more paper, getting some toys. But we are all slaves to the system in some regard. Unless you steal away into the wilderness and live off the land, there's no way around it right now.

I don't know what happened to these people. Could be suicide for personal reasons we'll never know. Could be something else. Likely are just suicides, because there are so many people in the financial services industry in the world, there are bound to be accidents, murders, suicides, illness that claims a percentage of people.

I feel sorry for those who rejoice at the death of others. For those of you who do and also claim to be religious to whatever your religion of choice is, you are hypocrites. Think of their children. It's great that their father died? Think of their mother and father. It's great that their son, their child, died?

If this is who we are as a people, then we would never survive a crash, or TSHTF scenario.

reply to post by OpinionatedB

this is why we have laws and say justice is blind and allow the guilty to speak and show evidence and have punishments to fit crimes.

You obviously missed the whole "too big to fail" speechs from our beloved overlords in the DOJ. They say they cannot punish the criminal banks because it will destabilize the economy. As fining them a few weeks profits on decades of crime and corruption does not cut it.

Changing politicians won't do it either. These people (if you can even call them that) are not held to the same standards as regular citizens. You and your deposits and pensions and everything else are nothing to them.

They-are-despicable-creatures. Plain and simple. The world would be better of without most of them.

Galadriel

If this is who we are as a people, then we would never survive a crash, or TSHTF scenario.

I so agree.

OpinionatedB
no reason to hate Gates for his success.

There is also, imho, little to admire for the success he "achieved" once he was in charge of a multi-national corporation. The history books are full of his exploits (not to mention his arrest for DUI!) in the business world, some of which Micro$oft received huge fines for. I don't hate Gates or Trump, but I certainly do not admire them either. They have few of the qualities I personally aspire to. And when I show the first signs of baldness I will not spend millions on a wig and a trophy model wife!

This thread amuses me.

There's the guy who thinks "money is fake, but silver has value". I laughed my ass off at that. No, really. Had to tack it back on and everything. Too funny that some folks think paper symbols have more value than shiny symbols - they are ALL symbols, and have exactly and only the value that someone else sets on them FOR you. Don't believe me? Just sit and watch the wild roller coaster rides that ANY market takes - based on the "value" someone else puts on that commodity - including the metals markets. You want to place your bets on bits of metal? Fine by me... but don't try to pass off any of those fake symbols to me in order to buy my food after the crash comes. I can't eat that silver, it won't keep me warm at night, and it has no value to me whatsoever. Certainly not enough value to get me to part with perfectly useful food for your pitiful trinkets.

And... we have the folks who think "They stole my 401k in ought-eight!". My ass. You GAVE them your money, and want to cry now that they TOOK it? Too funny! Stock markets are like ANY other gambling house - you pays your dime and you takes your chances. If you pays 'em ALL your dimes and they take ALL of them, whose fault is that? Theirs for taking it, or YOURS for GIVING it? "Stole" my ass. You can't steal something that someone is handing over to you willingly!

AND... we have the folks whining about them damnable greedy con men on Wall Street. Seriously? Conman 101 is that you play on the mark's own greed. If they're not greedy, expecting to get something for nothing, the con won't work. The Conman goes hungry without the mark's own greed.

People want to kill "the other guy" for showing them a mirror, letting them get caught in their OWN greed trap? Too funny!

... and goddamned sad, all at the same time.

nenothtu
This thread amuses me.

There's the guy who thinks "money is fake, but silver has value". I laughed my ass off at that. No, really. Had to tack it back on and everything. Too funny that some folks think paper symbols have more value than shiny symbols - they are ALL symbols

And... we have the folks who think "They stole my 401k in ought-eight!". You can't steal something that someone is handing over to you willingly!

Both fiat money and silver are symbols true. If you look at the dollar over the last 100 years you'll see how well (poorly) it's symbolic value has held up. Silver on the other hand has held up as a monetary symbol for thousands of years. Don't confuse silver's market manipulated value with it's true value, when the SHTF you'll have a better idea of what it's worth.

As far as not looting people's 401K's you're wrong again, they can be stolen simply by lying to the investor's about the safety of the investment. It's a fiduciary responsibility sorely lacking among investment bankers. They simply package up a bunch of let's say shaky municipal bonds and rate them as high quality and when the city implodes financially the 401K owners who put their money is the "safe" bond funds (like Detroit) lose their life savings.

It's flat out lying, swindling and theft. If it wasn't institutions like BoA wouldn't be paying billions in fines for their wrongdoings. I'm going to guess you didn't lose anything or you wouldn't be so cavalier about it.

AliceBleachWhite
ONLY six bankers?

Bear with me.

As angry as the Commons are with certain folks over wealth distribution inequality, ...

...

Sometimes it's enough just to know what the commons are thinking ...

And that right there is their problem. All these whiners perceive themselves as "commoners"...

... and so shall they ever be.

"Commoners" sit on their asses and whine like heartbroken puppies while "uncommoners" are setting their own courses.

Bassago

Both fiat money and silver are symbols true. If you look at the dollar over the last 100 years you'll see how well (poorly) it's symbolic value has held up. Silver on the other hand has held up as a monetary symbol for thousands of years. Don't confuse silver's market manipulated value with it's true value, when the SHTF you'll have a better idea of what it's worth.

Indeed you will. If you bring it to my farm looking for grub, you'd best keep moving, and find a dumber mark. You'd be wasting your time trying to get tangibles with trinkets from me - and I'll bet dollars against donuts it will be that way in most places. Silver is useless in a SHTF scenario - you'd be better off bringing me a chunk of carbon steel. At least I could find a use for that.

As far as not looting people's 401K's you're wrong again, they can be stolen simply by lying to the investor's about the safety of the investment. It's a fiduciary responsibility sorely lacking among investment bankers. They simply package up a bunch of let's say shaky municipal bonds and rate them as high quality and when the city implodes financially the 401K owners who put their money is the "safe" bond funds (like Detroit) lose their life savings.

I'm not wrong. Without the greed of the mark, the con is useless. They can't take money that you don't give them to begin with. "Lying to the investors about the safety of the investment" is classic con. They buy the lie, because of their own inherent greed, and willingly suspend the certain knowledge that it's ALL a gamble. They expect something for nothing, and nothing for something is what they get. Without the greed, they won't give up their something on a gamble that returns a potential of nothing.

It's flat out lying, swindling and theft. If it wasn't institutions like BoA wouldn't be paying billions in fines for their wrongdoings. I'm going to guess you didn't lose anything or you wouldn't be so cavalier about it.

Didn't lose anything in the '08 crash because I was savvy enough to stop playing the markets around 1995 - so I hadn't anything in it to lose. I got my "something for nothing" and ran away with it long before the implosion, just as soon as I realized how dumb it was to gamble and think I couldn't lose. Gambling is gambling, whether you want to call it a "stock market" or a "casino".

You don't go up to a roulette wheel and plunk down all your cash just because the teller says what a safe bet it is.

BoA is a funny critter. I was part of a class action law suit against them. I'm still waiting on my share of the settlement, lo these many years later. Never gonna see it, so I ain't holding my breath and praying for miracles - I'm just moving on. Rather than whining and crying and jumping up and down about how the big, bad banksters done me wrong, I'm just not doing business with them any more - not giving them any of my money, or any other bank for that matter. Burn me once, shame on you... burn me TWICE, shame on ME.

Never mind. I may have misread the posts.

vkey08
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

Madame Czar of Press and Communications,

Remember there are cheering sections for every bad act that is going on, in clduing the dead bankers and every time some story about a cop doing something is blown out of proportion, or anytime there's a tragedy the people that scream hoax and actors pop out.. If tomorrow a public official died, you would see all sorts of "it's about times"

It's sad, it's sick, it's horrid but people thrive on doom and gloom it seems.

An official note from:

The Czar of Coffee, Caffeinated Beverages and Scepters..

Madame Czar of Coffee, Caffeinated Beverages and Scepters -

I'm acknowledging your post here since the Czar of Press and Communications is sound asleep. She's had a rough day, what with all the banksters dropping dead, ranting on about it, and having to listen to the blood soaked cries for more deaths from people who use trite phrases like "live by the sword, die by the sword" while apparently not realizing that calling for more death IS "living by the sword" - far more so than simply taking folks money away from them when they hand it to you.

The irony there is so palpable it's crunchy!

- The ATS Regent, Lord High Mucky-Muck, Curmudgeonum Regnum, and all around irascible character.

ETA: When do you suppose we are having another Regent's Election? I'm about ready to hand over the Tinfoil Crown. I thought it was only s'posed to be for a year, and we're heading into two now, with no end in sight. I don't plan on running again - one term of madness ought to be enough for ANY (relatively) sane politico! I might accept an advisory position in the new administration, if I can do it by cell phone from my fishing hole... but the Next Big Guy can have the crown - I don't even want the Regent's Pension!

How are you at making Camp Coffee? I'm envisioning an entire Adminstration retirement, where I bait the hooks and gather the firewood, OB keeps an eye on the news of the world and informs us of developments via the occasional rant, you make the coffee, and Mamabeth... well, I guess Mambeth just sits back and bats at the shiny jewels in her crown with first one paw and then the other!

There's more money to be made in consulting anyhow, isn't there?

oblvion

OpinionatedB
reply to post by beezzer

 

I have to go to the store and worry about dinner and some housework as I just got home from work, so right this second I am going to make it quick.

Everyone has a complaint about the bailouts etc, yet they are placing blame in the wrong place.

Its the politics of t his country that needs changed again. Since when does a government support business that don't have the wherewithal to operate?

Back in the 60's people were protesting and everything, and changes were made because of it. Now, all anyone wants to do is to moan and commit murder. Its ridiculous! If you don't like the current political climate, then start letter writing campaigns, protesting even if it means jail time and time again, protesting even if it means death! Until the correct changes are made.

there are over 300 million people in the United States, if even half went to washington to protest... changes would be made the VERY NEXT DAY!

If people are mad... they can do something! But what to do has nothing to do with murder!

Yes because I should die or spend my entire life in jail while the bankers are still raping others.......that is the dumbest comment of the week on ATS.

Fear never got anything done, beyond shaking in it's shoes and peeing down it's own leg. I'm not sure we want to get into the subject of "dumb comments".

If anyone should die it is the perpetrator of the offense, not the victim, your logic is lacking in well...logic.

I wouldn't call an accomplice a "victim", and there is little doubt that this "crime" could never have been committed without the willing accomplices you refer to as "victims" handing over the loot to begin with. Therefore, I'm not entirely sure we want to get into the subject of "logic", either.

If a man tries to steal my car I can shoot him dead no problems, if a man does steal my entire retirement fund I should die or face jail multiple times trying to protest this?..........your world view is idiotic at best.

Again, fear never got much done beyond what I specified above. Still, there is a difference between someone "stealing" your car, and someone driving it away because you handed them the keys to it. In the latter case, I don't think popping lead towards them would be viewed favorably. Maybe we don't want to get into the subject of "idiotic world views", either.

If they had come and tried to take the same amount of physical goods from people in everyday life they would have all been shot dead.

Not if those people had handed them the physical goods and smiled about it.

Because they did it behind everyones backs through the banks and the stock market, though the price is no different, it is now ok?

Perhaps the "price" is no different, but the scenario is VERY different from the one you specify here.

Yes you have no sense at all and make no points worth commenting on further. Thank you wasting everyones time, we are now dumber for having participated in your worthless debate.

Good day

I don't know that I can agree that we are all dumber, but it does appear that some folks are more willing to put it on exhibit. Still, as I said multiple times above, I'm not really sure we want to get into some of these subjects and fairly targeted name calling and questioning intelligence quotients and whatnot...

World is better off without bankers , lawyers , politicians and the ilk who bleed people for all they have .. those who profit from the hard work and blood of others are parasites .. in the long run of history it doesnt mean a damn thing as everyone dies and there is no justice in the world .. its karma catching up with them for all the evil theyve done... and do ..

Sremmos80
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

Have you seen what happens to protesters now a days? You can't just go protest where ever you want anymore.
Why don't you go protest everyone not doing anything and blaming the wrong people? If that is how you feel things should get changed then go do it

Umm... It looks to me like that is exactly what she IS doing, right here with this rant... or are you the sort who thinks a "protest" only involves making a sign and marching down the street?

oblvion

I have a problem when "success" is measured in how many corpses and destroyed lives one has in their wake.

Does that include bankers' lives and corpses, or are their corpses somehow less corpse-like?

Not one of the bankers I have read about got to his position without many destroyed lives in their wake, it is an old saying, you live by the sword you die by the sword.

Well, that IS an old saying, isn't it? It could equally be stated that "you make your money by the stock market, you lose your money by the stock market". There's another old saying about how a sword cuts both ways...

nerbot

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OpinionatedB

And while we are at it why not have hatred for every single orange grove owner and worker... they take advantage of mexicans and pay low wages.

............

Owners are the greedy ones perhaps, the workers not so. Maybe you said that wrong eh?

Butbutbut nerbot... that's not what you said before! What you said was:

nerbot

I cheer ANY misfortune to ANY bank employer or employee. Boss, cashier or cleaner....all cogs in the wheels imo.

That statement would apply to the low wage Mexicans picking the oranges, too - they also are "cogs in the wheels". They aren't any higher on the totem pole than the cleaner you specified in your statement.

WHO said WHAT wrong? This gets sooo confusing at times, trying to follow all the twists and turns and about-faces...

MOMof3
reply to post by OpinionatedB

 

Really? Have you made it to retirement yet with more money than you had when you worked your arse off?

Is that your measure of "success"? More money? How is that any different from the Evil Bankers?

Have you gone broke twice, homeless, and still landed on top? I don't need advice.

I'll let OB tell you about homelessness from a personal perspective if she is of a mind to. I can only speak for myself here. I've gone broke twice, lost everything I had in both cases. I've been homeless - lived in a car, and slept on cardboard laid in the snow behind dumpsters when I didn't have a car to live in. There isn't much about homelessness that you can school me on.

Now, the REAL question here is what you mean by "landed on top". Going by your first statement, I must conclude that by "on top", you mean "more money". Nope, I haven't. What I Do have is less tangible, but more gratifying. I have everything I've ever wanted. Hard to put a price on that. Besides, I never wanted to be rich - there are folks in this thread calling for KILLING the rich! Why on Earth would I want to be on THAT "top", and have to guard my back all the time?

In the end, though, I'll die with the most toys - everything I ever wanted. You can have your "more money" - I can't find a use for it up here on my "top".

Klassified

The people of this country have tried to use the system and proper channels to correct America's problems for decades. Our rogue government isn't listening. They're only getting worse, and doing quite the opposite of what we want. They have become the murderers and witch hunters against their own people, and anyone else who gets in their way. They have set themselves up in lavish lifestyles off the blood, sweat, and tears of the people they are supposed to be serving. They have conspired with the banksters to rob the American people of the wealth they once had.

I may not agree with lynch mobs, and indiscriminate killing, but I have no sympathy for them when someone decides to play by the same rules they are playing by. Which is no rules at all. The system is broken, and using a broken system to fix itself isn't gonna work.

I beg to differ - sort of.

The "system" is broken because all of those people hate the other guy's senators and representatives, but seem to think their own is just fine. Otherwise, they wouldn't keep electing them. the problem here is that EVERY politician is "the other guy's" politician - to someone. The only potential shot at fixing the system is to fire ALL of them - your own and my own included, and hire newbies.

Because that isn't being done, I don't think "the people of this country have tried to use the system and proper channels to correct America's problems for decades". One cannot go through the "proper channels" while keeping the improper channels in place because our own politicians are "the good guys".

reply to post by nenothtu


No this rant was about users glorifying the death of the bankers, that was from OP herself.
They got far off topic