Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

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My first notion is that shamans get there on their own...

Weaponization is certainly never far from the minds of the NIDS/B.A.S.S. cadre. Emphasis mine:

...We approached Bigelow adviser Dr. Eric Davis, a physicist who had, in 2001-2003, surveyed the field of teleportation, including reports of supernatural teleportation, while under contract by the U.S. Air Force.

With regard to Skinwalker-like reports of anomalous mind-matter interactions, Davis advised the Air Force, “We will need a physics theory of consciousness and psychotronics, along with more experimental data, in order to test … and discover the physical mechanisms that lay behind the psychotronic manipulation of matter. [Psychic] P-Teleportation, if verified, would represent a phenomenon that could offer potential high-payoff military, intelligence and commercial applications. This phenomenon could generate a dramatic revolution in technology, which would result from a dramatic paradigm shift in science. Anomalies are the key to all paradigm shifts!”...

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Z-Big--Zbigniew Brzezinski--is the prophet of, and an architect for, globalism. Prophet you ask?

“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. ”

― Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

That could never happen, eh? What about this? (Still in the process of checking this info out):

A 1975 issue of the Soviet publication International Life, discussing electronic mind control developments, stated that atmospheric electricity can be used “to suppress the mental activity” of large groups of people. The Soviet journal said that a sonic generator, tuned to an infrasound (below the hearing level) frequency, could create “feelings of depression, fear, panic, terror, and despair.”

The DIA report also said that the Soviets discovered that secret microwave radiation can be used to induce in unsuspecting victims: “Headache, fatigue, perspiring, dizziness, menstrual disorders, irritability, agitation, tension, drowsiness, sleeplessness, depression, anxiety, forgetfulness, and the lack of concentration.”

President Lyndon Johnson’s Science Adviser, Dr. Gordon J.F. MacDonald wrote the 1968 book, Unless Peace Comes, A Scientific Forecast Of New Weapons.

MacDonald described how man-made changes in the electrical earth ionosphere can be used for mass behavior control. He said that low frequency electromagnetic oscillations can attack the low frequency electromagnetic brain waves in human beings. He stated, “Perturbation of the environment (by geophysical warfare) can produce changes in behavioral patterns.”

In his 1970 book, Between Two Ages, Zbigniew Brezezinski (a long-time Establishment strategist) described “weather control” as a “new weapon” that is a “key element of strategy.” He added:

Technology will make available, to leaders of major nations, a variety of techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need to be appraised.

Brzezinski predicted the exact types of electromagnetic psychotronic weapons that the US Administration is now developing for mass behavior control of citizens. He stated:

"It is possible — and tempting — to exploit, for strategic-political purposes, the fruits of research on the brain and on human behavior... Accurately timed, artificially excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the earth... In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of a very large population in selected regions, over an extended period."

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Just throwing some "possibles" out there.

The GUT
He's shooting folk down left and right (Lear, Moore, Doty, Bill Cooper, etc.) and especially talks about the meme-like quality of the "Grey," and yet lets Streiber slide. Of course they are friends and Whitley does have a mystical background (Gurdjieff.) Maybe that's it?

I would guess that Vallee doesn't talk much about Strieber, because his 'story' has no connections to any military machinations...whereas with those other guys (whether victims themselves or not) the 'stories' were traceable to sources (Aviary, ect.) with intentions to deceive...

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Yeah, that makes sense. No direct evidence of deception. That and their apparent compatibility of theories and affinity for mysticism.

lostgirl

The GUT
He's shooting folk down left and right (Lear, Moore, Doty, Bill Cooper, etc.) and especially talks about the meme-like quality of the "Grey," and yet lets Streiber slide. Of course they are friends and Whitley does have a mystical background (Gurdjieff.) Maybe that's it?

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I would guess that Vallee doesn't talk much about Strieber, because his 'story' has no connections to any military machinations...whereas with those other guys (whether victims themselves or not) the 'stories' were traceable to sources (Aviary, ect.) with intentions to deceive...




Ah. But he does have connections to the 'secret school' funny business. Plus his uncle in the USAF. One of the things that really flummoxed me was the degree to which Streiber was very much 'inspired' by Vallee - yet Jacques only warrants a brief name drop in the acknowledgements. Very curious.

1ofthe9
Oooh GUT. I have some interesting news. I'm taking a course on French history over the 20th century - partially inspired by reading Vallee - and I might just be able to weasel some info out. Do you have a list of the French guys Vallee was hanging out with/reading in Forbidden Science II? I think there were two with a 'B' surname.

I could ask my prof about these guys and see if I can find any English source for their material.

I amused him when I brought up Synarchism in class discussion about the pre-war fascist movement in France, so I might be able to get some leads on this matter too.

A really good book is Martin A Lee's The Beast Reawakens. Its about the post-war fascist scene, and how the ideology has survived to the present day. Quite a bit of interesting information can be found inside it, and someone with a better memory for names might be able to chase some interesting angles as a result of reading it.

Are you perhaps thinking of Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier ?

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Good neutral answer. Safe. Indeed anything is possible.
I agree there is a problem with what’s out here in the public domain.
If there is a big secret I doubt they will make a mistake and spill it htough it’s possible some one can slip up.

You see there is so much out there so much information that it’s likely even if the truth was known or came out it would get buried in the stockpile of theories, ideas, and possibilities.


Bigelow may be taking advantage of the present craze to privatize everything product of the political climate. So he gets a little of his childhood fantasy of being a space captain.

I doubt the gov would give a private guy any access to any weaponry. Ventura was probably talking to Alex Jones.

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The mentions above about Vallee’s contempt for the extreme alien theorists, i.e., Bill Cooper, Doty, Moore and Lear is what got me thinking he was a government guy sent to make these folks look stupid. He sure does in Revalations.

The reason he takes it easy on some and mock others may be that he was told to do so or of course, as in the book Revelations, he did have contempt for their “evidence” so he may have a good reason to mock them.

Strieber has a little bit of an objective sounding story not certainty and dogma like many of the extremists, that’s why I think he gives them more credence.

It’s nothing more obnoxious to Vallee and me for that matter than these guys with all dogmatic answers as if they have certainty.

I imagine the old maxim:

“Those who know don’t say and those who say don’t know” may apply to them

one inflatable module and a second module are placed into orbit about an extraterrestrial mass.

I was thinking of Bigelow's modules when the thought occurred to me; how hard would it be to make a module in the shape of a triangle, say as big as a football field...maybe two fields, and add some form of propulsion.....?

The fact that these 'ships' have a large array of lights makes me think that they are 'local'.

( Sorry; I'm obsessed with proving that 'alien' technology is the natural progression of scientific knowledge discovered years ago, probably by Nazi Germany.)

Good neutral answer. Safe. Indeed anything is possible.

Less safe than yours, and I provide research to support my theoretics.

I doubt the gov would give a private guy any access to any weaponry.

Maybe you're not aware of historical context even after I gave you all those links to Howard Hughes and his involvement with the M.I.C.?! Where do you think much of our weaponry comes from? Hughes ain't the only one, btw---Skunk Works, McDonnell Douglas, etc. Maybe you fired that off without much thought?

The mentions above about Vallee’s contempt for the extreme alien theorists, i.e., Bill Cooper, Doty, Moore and Lear is what got me thinking he was a government guy sent to make these folks look stupid. He sure does in Revalations.

The reason he takes it easy on some and mock others may be that he was told to do so or of course, as in the book Revelations, he did have contempt for their “evidence” so he may have a good reason to mock them.

Could be, but your "stretch" is much further than most I might make and, again, unsupported.

It’s nothing more obnoxious to Vallee and me for that matter than these guys with all dogmatic answers as if they have certainty.

I imagine the old maxim:

“Those who know don’t say and those who say don’t know” may apply to them

Dogmatic answers? Like Lear & Cooper you mean? Nobody needed Vallee to destroy them if you get my drift.


Partial list for the record: List of private military contractors

In re: private contractors, from Wiki:

Acquisitions and mergers Since 2000 ATK has grown as a result of both internal expansion and a series of acquisitions, including Thiokol propulsion, the ordnance business of Boeing and CCI/Speer, an ammunition manufacturer, and Federal Ammunition.[citation needed] In 2003 ATK purchased the General Applied Science Laboratory (GASL).[6][7] Major government contracts On March 12, 2012, ATK announced that it was awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract has a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds of hollow point bullets.[8][9]

Big corporations often gobble up little companies that sometimes seem unrelated. And sometimes these small companies work on Big G projects while most workers are left completely in the dark. Those who have 'partial' knowledge of what is truly going on may put the pieces together, but if they dare share their thoughts, they join the ranks of the unemployed.

CCI/Speer was bought by Blount in 1985( the big steel guy who owned a rather eclectic bunch of other small businesses) and an influx of gov. funds allowed for an almost overnight doubling in size...and other stuff.... ATK bought Blount out in 2001.

I was able to watch a small ( almost mom & pop) operation bloom into a major player in relatively short time, with a little help from the 'right' people. Amazing what 'connections' can do, and even more so if you look at corporate holdings. They seem to play some kind of 'shuffle game', and the trail keeps getting murkier with each buyout/sell off. Almost like it's been well planned.....like these small outfits are being 'groomed' today so they can become major players tomorrow. By 'somebody'.

The average hunter/sportsman is no longer the bread and butter of the company; it's law enforcement, et al. How many other industries has this happened to, I wonder. Actually, I don't wonder. I just watch it unfold over and over again.

I wish I could go on a rant, but my better judgement tells me to just say goodnight.

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Interesting insider information ms. nugget. I'd actually rather you not elaborate here. Lil' ears are everywhere.

Some kind of think-tank forecasts going on that don't seem to bode well for the future. Are our players interested in weaponry even in their semi-private careers? ALWAYS.

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Homeland Defense Stocks? Ahem. Yeah, get in while the getting is good! The writing is on the wall.

Speaking of the wall:

FireMoon

1ofthe9
Oooh GUT. I have some interesting news. I'm taking a course on French history over the 20th century - partially inspired by reading Vallee - and I might just be able to weasel some info out. Do you have a list of the French guys Vallee was hanging out with/reading in Forbidden Science II? I think there were two with a 'B' surname.

I could ask my prof about these guys and see if I can find any English source for their material.

I amused him when I brought up Synarchism in class discussion about the pre-war fascist movement in France, so I might be able to get some leads on this matter too.

A really good book is Martin A Lee's The Beast Reawakens. Its about the post-war fascist scene, and how the ideology has survived to the present day. Quite a bit of interesting information can be found inside it, and someone with a better memory for names might be able to chase some interesting angles as a result of reading it.

Are you perhaps thinking of Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier ?

Bergier was one, but I'm not certain the other guy was Pauwels. He was some History doctorate, but all his stuff was in French.

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I don’t think so GUT
The good ol USA military complex aint about to let no private anything have any say so in space or anywhere else.

I didn’t say their weren’t any private contractors…they all are but not independent operationally.

Those are contractors who do what their told to get paid.

If Bigelow does something for the MIC he can’t blow his nose without their permission.

As for Vallee if they are so stupid then why did he bother to talk to em and have dinner with them?

To destroy their theories.

Willtell
The good ol USA military complex aint about to let no private anything have any say so in space or anywhere else.

I didn’t say their weren’t any private contractors…they all are but not independent operationally.

Those are contractors who do what their told to get paid.

If Bigelow does something for the MIC he can’t blow his nose without their permission.

Exactly. I didn't say he was a private army looking to take over the world. I just suggest the very real possibility that he is "on board." To what degree: Debatable. That he is on board: Not so much.

As for Vallee if they are so stupid then why did he bother to talk to em and have dinner with them? To destroy their theories.

Or, alternately, to be openminded enough to give Cooper his say before authoring an opinion?
I think Cooper was right about a lot of things, just not his alien rhetoric. Even Cooper backed away from that angle. You know that, right? You seem to think he had info about the "alien" situation that was accurate enough to send Jacques after him? Seriously?

What might that be and why do you think so? Lear too?!!

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I wish I had had more time to digest my dinner before I read your post!

It seems that all the 'woo' stuff that books are being written about, and people are focusing on, makes the advancements in non lethal weaponry hardly noticeable.

The technology exists to control minds & basic body functions; to eliminate someone without leaving a clue; biological control, false memories-the list just keeps getting longer. It has occurred to me that while we're looking for a control system, following all the latest hints and 'leads" proposed by the scientific community , the real control system just may be plain old fashioned greed. Maybe TPTB want us to think that there's some mysterious force/being that is in charge. While SHTF, we're trying to prove it's caused by external forces.

Sorry; my brain seems to be stuck in a conspiracy loop, and I can't abort.

P.S. Gut - I have nothing incriminating to say in writing, or verbally. Unless I was at our secluded camping spot, sitting by the fire late at night.......and I was very,very drunk.

nugget1
P.S. Gut - I have nothing incriminating to say in writing, or verbally. Unless I was at our secluded camping spot, sitting by the fire late at night.......and I was very,very drunk.

Wow...I didn't think I had any Valentines' nostalgia left in me...but I was wrong!

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Did you read his book, Cooper’s?

Look I think Cooper might have been right on some things also; of course not things like Kennedy was shot by the driver of the limo!

Cooper thought Vallee was an agent.

I know enough about Cooper though not enough to write his biography.

What exactly did he get right you are referring to?

Willtell
What exactly did he get right you are referring to?

Not Kennedy's driver I agree!!

Some of the police state/globalism stuff for example. He also seems to have been affected by Vallee's work at some point and suspected we were being fed the ETH--or aspects thereof--for some nefarious purpose.

Is Vallee a player of some sort? To a degree, very probably. A very conflicted/compromised one, however, it seems.