Social Religious Ostracization.

reply to post by SimonPeter


Hal Lindsey you say? Both Brainout and I study under the late Col R.B.Thieme...the same man who trained Hal Lindsey. I spent my early years as believer in worldliness, I know what you mean.

By my timeline the mark will be in full force by 3/20/2019, Rapture 9/16/2016 and Millennium no later than 9/16/2023.

Unlike Lindsey and Thieme, I believe the Bible gives us sufficient info to calculate the day, hour, and minuite of the rapture. Its the 2nd advent that the "day and hour" remains undisclosed...for the tribulation will be cut short for the elect.

bigvig316
I have been facing this issue with my Atheist friends because I believe in God. I am a Roman Catholic. I tell my friends that the Bible is a combination of true stories, fictional stories and stories from antiquity. I have a belief that science and religion can co exist. I also bring up that a lot of scientific discovery have come from monks and priest. It is hard that these group of friends of mine don't take me seriously because I believe in a supreme being. Why can't you be both a MAN OF SCIENCE and a MAN OF GOD. why can't you have duality.

They can, and do, coexist in perfect harmony. Both sides of the fence have their respective zealots and those are the people who make it impossible to reconcile the two on a mainstream basis. The militant atheists and the backward fundamentalists are what keeps the conversation from flourishing into something educational and exciting.

As time goes on, there will be more open-mindedness from both camps and then we can all evolve together.

BELIEVERpriest
reply to post by SimonPeter

 

Hal Lindsey you say? Both Brainout and I study under the late Col R.B.Thieme...the same man who trained Hal Lindsey. I spent my early years as believer in worldliness, I know what you mean.

By my timeline the mark will be in full force by 3/20/2019, Rapture 9/16/2016 and Millennium no later than 9/16/2023.

Unlike Lindsey and Thieme, I believe the Bible gives us sufficient info to calculate the day, hour, and minuite of the rapture. Its the 2nd advent that the "day and hour" remains undisclosed...for the tribulation will be cut short for the elect.

Hmm. Interesting. I wonder what resources and materials you have access to that they do not. I wonder what special powers of insight and interpretation you've been given by the spirit of your god that they failed to prove themselves worthy of receiving. It must be something truly extraordinary if you're one of very few to come up with these conclusions. After all, not even the Vatican has said for sure what day or even what year these events might be expected. And if anyone would be allowed such information or insight, wouldn't it be the Pope? Then again, the bible itself says that neither the hour nor the day can be known. Hmm, you must be special indeed, to possess such knowledge. I'm impressed.

reply to post by BELIEVERpriest


I seem to remember that Jesus himself said " no man knows the day nor the hour " not even him but, only the Father . I also hold to what Jesus said in Matthew 24 verse 29 thru 31 . # 29 And immediately after the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give forth her light , and the stars shall fall from heaven , and the powers of heaven shall be shaken: # 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: # 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet ,....... Then there is 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 where Paul sets the Thessalonian's straight that Jesus wouldn't come back until the Antichrist has his time .
A friend of mine eluded to a verse in scripture of some what of a comfort in Revelations chapter 2 verse 10 " Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer : behold the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried: and ye shall have tribulation ten days :be thou faithful until death , and I will give the a crown of life .
Rev. 24 verse 13 He that endure until the end the same shall be saved .

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Its called innovation. Building newely discovered concepts upon established ones. If Im correct in my hypothesis, it still wouldnt come close to the effort and dedication put forth by those before me. There is nothing special about me. The Holy Spirit reveals according to the Father's will. I am not the only one to independently arrive at the same conclusion. There are others, probably more than I know of. Brainout rediscovered the Hebrew and Greek meter, I simply discovered how the "Mayan Calander" fits into it like a puzzle piece. There is much that the media has hidden about the mysterious Mayan Calendar...about its true origins and its true expiration.

Dont look to the Vatican for answers. Theyre a joke at best and evil at worst.

Jesus never said "no man knows the day or hour" of the rapture, He was speaking of the end of the Age of Israel, aka the 2nd Advent. The Rapture terminates the Church Age which did not initiate until weeks after His death at Pentacost.

The day and hour that no one knows is the exact day of His return. The knowledge of the timing of the Rapture was never prohibited. Even Paul left several speculations on when it might happen in his meter.

The events described in Mat 24&25 "one will be taken and one will be left" describe the Baptism of Fire when Jesus separates the wheat from the tares and burns the tares at His arrival. This is the opposite of the Rapture.

SimonPeter
reply to post by BELIEVERpriest

 

I seem to remember that Jesus himself said " no man knows the day nor the hour " not even him but, only the Father . I also hold to what Jesus said in Matthew 24 verse 29 thru 31 . # 29 And immediately after the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give forth her light , and the stars shall fall from heaven , and the powers of heaven shall be shaken: # 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: # 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet ,....... Then there is 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 where Paul sets the Thessalonian's straight that Jesus wouldn't come back until the Antichrist has his time .
A friend of mine eluded to a verse in scripture of some what of a comfort in Revelations chapter 2 verse 10 " Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer : behold the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried: and ye shall have tribulation ten days :be thou faithful until death , and I will give the a crown of life .
Rev. 24 verse 13 He that endure until the end the same shall be saved .

The rapture is a Church Age mystery. It was not directly revealed until the Church was started. Jesus never directly spoke of the rapture except in clever His references to the wedding. The day and hour that no man knows is the 2nd Advent (aka the end of the age, aka the 6th seal, aka the Baptism of Fire). No one will know the exact day because He will cut the tribulation short, but it must happen by 9/16/2023.

Keep all of the prophecies in context with their dispensations/ ages, and a clearer picture is visible. Israel has not been fulfilled yet, there is no Old Testament prophecy during the Church Age. The Rapture is strictly a Church Age prophecy. We know this because Jesus only spoke of it in terms of wedding preparation and he only spoke of the Church in terms of His Bride. We were a mystery waiting to be revealed at the time. Israel will only be regathered at the End of the Age when the Trumpets are blown.

AfterInfinity

And quite frankly, you seem to be implying that I reject theism due to my love for being a sinful heathen.

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Which is the usual, and typical, pious stance of the know it all religious types.

Listening to anybody pontificate on the philosophical questions we as humans ask ourselves is something that raises my ire. If only there could be a world without this mindset? What a beautiful and peaceful place that would be?

The reason the majority of Atheists are so unbending in their views is because they have consistently been faced with people such as yourself, pushing their religion on them.

Stop doing that, its rude. People are suppossed to be allowed to think for themselves and make their own choices, let them.

reply to post by brandiwine14




No that is not the reason . There has been an effort to destroy Christianity for a long time and it has been taken to our elementary schools and through out our whole education system and into business and our public places .
This ostracizing religion is a trait of the Communist revolution where by peoples resolve is destroyed . Then those people can be easily be demoralized and controlled . This is a common practice for controlling people . We are now enduring such an assault here in America by those who are behind the NWO/UN Globalist Agenda .
I doubt you will ever have to endure someone in your face trying to force you to believe in God . No one on this site has to endure the same . You are here because you want to debate that issue that eats at you in the back of your mind . WE can all be slain and past on but that agonizing question will still be there .

reply to post by SimonPeter


Utter rubbish.

I come from a country where the stranglehold of Catholicism has slowly and gradually been released over the past 25 years. I was raised to fear the power and control of that religion.

I have heard people like you talk your talk all of my life. I don't like it. You can believe whatever you like as far as I'm concerned, I don't care, but I'm sick of hearing your ilk telling the rest of us that you got the right answer, because I know you don't.

NWO? Elitists? Yeah right, the biggest bane of humanity is organized religion.

reply to post by seabhac-rua


The Roman Catholic Church has terrorized people for all time . They seek to control people by fear and other means . They use the same strategies as Islam IMO .
The Catholic Church masquerades as a Christian Church and should not be confused with Christianity . I don't know where you live but I have never been bothered by church people . You must live in a far different place .

reply to post by Cuervo


Science is a method

The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.[1] To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning

to use the scientific method you need to gather data then come up with explanations of what that data means and then find ways to test if your explanation is valid – if there’s data and a way to measure it the scientific method can be used on it

Scientists (people who use the scientific method) come with a whole spectrum of personal beliefs but if they are using the scientific method then they try not to let those beliefs interfere with how they use the scientific method

Most religions are 180deg in opposition to how the scientific method is done, but if religious people can produce data and a way to measure it then the scientific method can be used on it

racasan
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Science is a method

The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.[1] To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning

to use the scientific method you need to gather data then come up with explanations of what that data means and then find ways to test if your explanation is valid – if there’s data and a way to measure it the scientific method can be used on it

Scientists (people who use the scientific method) come with a whole spectrum of personal beliefs but if they are using the scientific method then they try not to let those beliefs interfere with how they use the scientific method

Most religions are 180deg in opposition to how the scientific method is done, but if religious people can produce data and a way to measure it then the scientific method can be used on it

But that's where it gets subjective. People have personal gnosis experiences that are repeatable and can be subject to the scientific method just like any other object of nature. But they are personal observations that not everybody experiences. This is how a truth can be factual and scientifically proven to one person but not another.

I have never seen an atom split at CERN yet I know that others have. Many have. Just like many have had personally verifiable experiences with the other sides. The only difference is that one phenomenon is observed by many simultaneously while the other is observed from personal perspectives. It is no less valid and, to those that can hold up their spirituality to the scientific method, there is no way to convince them that it is not a part of reality and fact.

I am beyond proof for myself as it's something I experience daily. Many others from all spiritual paths can testify to the same thing. Those that can't (that run on faith alone) are still no less intelligent for following spiritual authorities who they believe have, just like we all believe scientists who practice the scientific method outside of our personal experience.

It becomes knowledge, not belief.

reply to post by Cuervo


Don’t get me wrong Cuervo I have my own woo woo beliefs – I like that Taoist alchemy/Chi thing

My point was that the scientific method is a useful tool; it’s just not the right tool for studying “personal gnosis experiences”

bigvig316
I have been facing this issue with my Atheist friends because I believe in God. I am a Roman Catholic. I tell my friends that the Bible is a combination of true stories, fictional stories and stories from antiquity. I have a belief that science and religion can co exist. I also bring up that a lot of scientific discovery have come from monks and priest. It is hard that these group of friends of mine don't take me seriously because I believe in a supreme being. Why can't you be both a MAN OF SCIENCE and a MAN OF GOD. why can't you have duality.

It is not your duty to convince your friends to "believe in God." Your only duty is to let them know about God, and then let them do the convincing themselves. Don't attach your mind to the notion of convincing others. Tell them what you know about the Kingdom of Heaven, if they disagree with all their might, then move on to others who may enjoy your version of God's Truth more. Part of the Path of Spirituality is to detach from emotional attachments towards anything in this world, including convincing others about God. Don't waste your energy trying to convince people, let them walk their own path, and they will find the light in their own terms. However, you must give light (wisdom) to others as you walk the Earth each day, for they are all your brothers and sisters, doesn't matter if they believe in a scientific existence only.

Science is the study of Physical reality. While God is the study of ALL THAT IS, meaning even beyond the physical, including God who is within you. Remember to always focus on your own consciousness. That is where the Kingdom of Heaven really is.

reply to post by ctophil

Your only duty is to let them know about God, and then let them do the convincing themselves.

I would respectfully disagree. When the facts are known, the only convincing that can be done is convincing them that the facts aren't facts. Otherwise, it is only realization of the truth. Convincing implies there is an argument to be made and not a reality to be observed. Let them realize after they have digested the facts and only the facts. They will only want to be convinced if they're not willing to observe.