China Plans To Seize South China Sea Island From Philippines, Says "Battle Will Be Restricted"

China won't do anything. They are full of hot air.

oblvion

Bassago
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

Mexico will be PISSED and ensure all Chinese forces in Mexico are not a problem. It's hilarious you think a small force in Mexico will conquer mainland US. Hilarious.

Found this funny. I don't know how many Chinese troops are down in Mexico but unless it's a ton of them it's doubtful they'll even make it as far north as Austin.

I live in Wichita Falls Texas, northern east side of the state.

Texas is the last state the Chinese want to invade, at least most folks carry, many have at least one AR-15 . At least 1 in 6 is prior military, Texas has the most military personel of any state, the biggest military post on earth, and the regular folks love little more than a reason to prove Texas is not the place to " take a piss" as the Brits would put it.

I would love to see the reaction to a " Chinese" invasion.

The Chinese would only make this mistake once, as Texas unleashed the equivalent of " Chuck Norris" on them, and they regretted their mistake for at least 100 generations into the future.

Trust me they have the manpower. Luckily they dont have the ability

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As someone who is from Wichita Falls born and raised, I concur with this statement 100%. Unfortunately, Chinese would probably just drive down Kemp st, get to the end and ask them selves why they even bothered. Leaving before a single shot was fired. That's assuming they even made it that far north. lol

reply to post by 2012newstart


yeah i could not find the article with the quote but china considers Pakistan to be their " Israel" meaning they intend to treat it like the usa treats the Israelis. but a thing to consider India and china are not exactly on the best of terms and as india is not a fan of pakistan and has fought several wars with both china and Pakistan over the years i would think any possible troop movements from china->pakistan-> to the middle east would have to go through India as i think India would would view this as the troops would be coming to india and react accordingly

www.nti.org...

WASHINGTON -- India on Friday announced it would equip a future long-range ballistic missile to accommodate multiple nuclear warheads, but one analyst said the plan is unlikely to prompt a significant response from probable target China. India has been preparing its developmental Agni 5 ballistic missile to carry multiple warheads, but the Agni 6 is expected to have a longer range. A Friday report by Zee News carried anonymous assertions that the Agni 6 has an intended flight distance of roughly 5,000 to 6,200 miles, numbers that could significantly exceed the range of its predecessor in the Agni line. "Agni 5 is major strategic defense weapon. Now we want to make Agni 6 which would be a force multiplier," Defense Research and Development Organization head V.K. Saraswat said in comments reported by the Press Trust of India.

hell it seems most of the indian nuclear deterrent is aimed at both those countries and if people though what ended up happening in the korean war was bad as far as terrain and weather a fight at the Indian/Chinese border would be true hell on earth
www.nukestrat.com...
and for the others that were talking about full nuclear exchanges earlier here is the closest thing i could find to a "targets list" its a 24 page pdf so may take a while to load on slower computers but it goes into detail about the numbers and capiblities of our respective nuclear arsenals and how currently we(USA) maintain about a 100-1 ratio of icbms (2000 usa icbms vs 20-100 chinese ones that can strike usa) and lists a few hypothetical situations where nuclear war might occur

and some members may find the satellite images provided at the above link useful for their own Google earth endeavors and those that are interested in radiation may also find it usefull as it shows prospective fall out patterns for theoretical nuclear strikes on the chinese mainland

on a darker note the causaltie projections are also listed with graphs estimating deaths from fallout injuries and sheltered vs non sheltered population

the later half of the pdf does the reverse and deals with a hypothetical chinese first strike on us soil and explains how the chinese missiles being less accurate then ours would most likely be used against population centers as opposed to trying to remove our nuclear counter attack ability (they cant get all the subs and they cant take out all our silos) so in the scenario we would get a counter attack where as in the USA preemptive strike scenario we would be trying to remove their ability to strike back at the mainland usa

but it does show hypothetical ranges and targets in the usa that their DF ICBM's can reach and projected fall out levels and paths so some members who are interested in such matters may find it interesting

Oil down there?

zeroBelief
Just another round of chess...

Two super powers puffing their chests....

Except it's only fun and games until blood starts to spill, at which point ti's essentially unacknowledged war and war is hell.

Pink Panther
Oil down there?

More than oil..


Anyway, I bet China wont do anything, just full of gas dream (pun intended). Anyway, their intention is clear and doesnt budge since that area pop up from sea.

So whats the update ? I'm betting they withdraw their ships. This is just "testing the waters".

China will be my generations korea, vietnam and world war 2.
All rolled up in a bag of bio-logical and chemical nastiness.

snowen20
reply to post by oblvion

 

As someone who is from Wichita Falls born and raised, I concur with this statement 100%. Unfortunately, Chinese would probably just drive down Kemp st, get to the end and ask them selves why they even bothered. Leaving before a single shot was fired. That's assuming they even made it that far north. lol

Lol.....just too funny.

I guess we could take them to the lakes to go swimming also, oh wait, the lakes are all glorified farm ponds now.

Here's an trimmed down version of what "The Diplomat" thinks of the Chinese attack scenario.

What If China Did Invade Pag-asa Island?

How plausible is the Qianzhan‘s scenario?

China could easily achieve strategic surprise and seize Pag-asa Island. China could disguise an invasion force as a flotilla engaged in routine naval exercises in the South China Sea.

A similar flotilla could set sail ostensibly to undertake normal combat training exercises. It could achieve strategic surprise by veering off suddenly and invading Pag-asa. The Philippines would have little or no warning time to prepare to its defense. The island would probably be taken in a few hours or less.

This scenario assumes that U.S. intelligence and its associated national technical means failed to detect signs of China’s preparations in advance, thus providing no warning time to take action to deter China.

China’s seizure of Pag-asa Island would be an act of war. Currently, the Armed Forces of the Philippines would be unable to mount any meaningful response.

The Philippines would immediately seek consultations with the United States under their Mutual Defense Treaty to work out a response.

The political fallout from seizing Pag-asa would be a huge set back for Chinese diplomacy. ASEAN would likely adopt an uncompromising political position and demand the immediate withdrawal of Chinese forces. ASEAN would receive political backing from the international community. Chinese aggression could even be raised at the United Nation,; but China would veto any discussion by the Security Council.

China’s actions in seizing Pag-asa Island would set off a race by claimant states to beef up the defense of their islands.

reply to post by dragonridr

Not exactly. Wile developing war scenarios, I want to leave the door to peace open. If China is so big and so good, as let say Western Democracies, it may want to do something for its poor neighbors. As USA did for West Europe after WW2, and to a certain degree US+EU for Central and Eastern Europe after 1989. China could take such a mission if it wants to expand its influence, not borders. If t wants to find where to invest its billions. Not necessarily in Asia though.

You see, they now have the superfast train encircling that country that didn't exist a decade ago. They have the best hi ways in Asia comparable to those in EU and USA, the most massive skyscrapers in each big city, they buy 100 Boeings as a gift to US economy. They could certainly do better deals for their much poorer neighbors. They could offer development projects. If they want to extend influence in SE Asia and also Pakistan, Africa,.... Not only to buy and tap oil resources. Hope now I make it more understandable the way of peace for China. If it wants it. If it prefers integration in the world with a leading peaceful role If the current world means anything for China. It hopes to rule the next world after cataclysm ww3 or other,but there is no guarantee it will be the winner.

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we will be never sure for the real weapons the great powers have. China got hypersonic reentry vehicle for its ICBMs. Whether from Russia or otherwise, it is what it is - a penetration of missile defense shield. Let alone other unknown space weapons.

reply to post by 2012newstart


en.wikipedia.org...-to-Earth_weapons figured u might find this interesting,as long as they are not WMD they can be placed directly in space
en.wikipedia.org...

www.huffingtonpost.com...
as for ground to space to ground weapons i think this is the only thing i can find that fits the bill but i would assume russias shuttle could do comparable missions

en.wikipedia.org... mission still classified so not sure exactly what its capabilities are but it could be a game changer
en.wikipedia.org...
www.space.com...

www.space.com... figured you might like this one as well who knows what kind of new weapons systems the major powers will come up with in the future

but it seems the Chinese are focusing on anti satellite components mostly freebeacon.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
they are kind of new to the game but they tend to catch up quicker then we would like

On three of the issues brought up in this thread there is some additional information. First, how could China possibly mobilize enough troops to actually seize the island(s) in question. I'm not saying the following will necessarily succeed, only that there is the potential.

In addition to the first two Zubr-class landing craft from the Ukrainian Feodosia Shipbuilding Company at a price of US$315 million received by the People's Liberation Army Navy last May, the contract also allows two other vessels to be built in China. The landing craft can transport three medium tanks, 10 armored personnel carriers or a landing force of 500 troops. It is the largest hovercraft ever built. Can China reclaim Diaoyutai with Zubr-class landing craft?

The second and third issues were what is the US position on this possible expansion and what about international (including the UN) opinion or actions?

WASHINGTON – The United States must not tolerate China’s use of military coercion in pursuit of its territorial claims in the seas of East Asia, lawmakers said at a hearing Tuesday, where experts warned that Beijing’s assertiveness is unnerving its neighbors and challenges American security interests.

Separately, the Philippine envoy to Washington complained about China’s “aggression” and urged Vietnam, another claimant state in the South China Sea, to follow the Philippines in mounting an international legal challenge to Beijing’s expansive claims.

House lawmakers overseeing U.S. policy toward Asia and America’s use of sea power held a joint hearing to consider Washington’s response, amid worries that U.S. may be drawn into a crisis or conflict over a territorial dispute involving China because the U.S. has bilateral defense treaties with Japan and the Philippines.

The Philippines has antagonized Beijing by bringing a case challenging China’s claim to virtually all of the South China Sea to a U.N. arbitration tribunal. Cuisia called it a “legitimate and friendly” way to resolve a dispute, and when asked, supported the idea of Vietnam taking the same approach.

China is refusing to participate in the arbitration.
U.S. lawmakers urge tough stance on China sea claims

That's an interesting toy China has. I wonder how many defensive capabilities it has. I'm not a military genius or anything but it seems to me that loading up 500 people per landing craft or 10 APC's is a huge tactical risk. How fast and maneuverable are these hovercraft? There's a huge payoff in blowing these things up mid transit.

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Yeah it would make a pretty tempting target. That was mentioned in the article as well. Guess China will have to take their chances on that one.

Carlyle Thayer, a maritime defense specialist from the Australian Defence Force Academy said "The Zubr would also present a huge target as it stands four stories high"

Bring it on!

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On topic, any update on the situation ? or is it just like North Korean "this is final warning" ?

2012newstart
reply to post by dragonridr

 

Not exactly. Wile developing war scenarios, I want to leave the door to peace open. If China is so big and so good, as let say Western Democracies, it may want to do something for its poor neighbors. As USA did for West Europe after WW2, and to a certain degree US+EU for Central and Eastern Europe after 1989. China could take such a mission if it wants to expand its influence, not borders. If t wants to find where to invest its billions. Not necessarily in Asia though.

You see, they now have the superfast train encircling that country that didn't exist a decade ago. They have the best hi ways in Asia comparable to those in EU and USA, the most massive skyscrapers in each big city, they buy 100 Boeings as a gift to US economy. They could certainly do better deals for their much poorer neighbors. They could offer development projects. If they want to extend influence in SE Asia and also Pakistan, Africa,.... Not only to buy and tap oil resources. Hope now I make it more understandable the way of peace for China. If it wants it. If it prefers integration in the world with a leading peaceful role If the current world means anything for China. It hopes to rule the next world after cataclysm ww3 or other,but there is no guarantee it will be the winner.

China is already spending massive amounts of money in third world countries stealing oh wait i mean buying their oil rights. They learned well from the west they know their needs are only going to increase. And they know that big oil isnt going to look out for china. You know there going to take care of Europe and the US first.