China Plans To Seize South China Sea Island From Philippines, Says "Battle Will Be Restricted"

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Except xx006..he
was not coming across well.....a bit of a wanker.

Manners please you cheeky bastard.

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i hope the Island matter becomes an all consuming issue for this lame-duck administration....


0bama & all his Czars and Muslim Brotherhood cadre in the WH corps can direct all their energies to that offshore issue and desist from the current attacks on killing the American-Dream and the rights & liberties the social-economic fabric of America had long enjoyed living under


iow the 0bama 'fundamental Change' (of America) should be shelved,,
and the Patriotic Military should take-the-lead.. with the executive branch getting stripped of the excessive powers it has seized during the past 6 years






ADD;

is the State of the Union address approaching soon?... lets see if this oval office executive mentions this issue.... i bet not, because its not relevant to the 'transformation'~~~ unless he wants the USA to lose face and backing down on the China expansion of military force in the Seas is a part of transforming the USA into a 3rd rate power

At the end of the day, we have a bunch of idiots running governments all over the world. Yes, pretty much everyone is conditioned to love their country, and say stuff on how a war would turn out, but at the end of the day, we are born, we live our lives, then we die. What gives these primitive thinking leaders the right to put our lives in danger over a war, that could be caused by a situation that is so small.

Its just perfetic the way we fight with other countries. Stupid things like threatening a country because they flew in their air-space, threatening over stupid islands because of the recources etc

We are such a primitive, aggressive race

Krazysh0t
Nice joke, but despite our meddling in third world countries, our nation still has MUCH international clout. We could easily get the UK involved in any dispute we wanted.

You mean like you did with Syria? remember how that went?

Krazysh0t
Same goes for Canada. In East Asia, we are best buds with Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines.

A few of the not so powerful nations who only like you because they need you for now. Barr Canada who i'm not sure even like you at all.

I'm sorry to say the US right now has far more enemies than friends and probably doesnt have any "Best buds" what so ever.

If the US goes rushing into another bag of somebody elses crap they are going to come out smelling like sh!t. I wouldnt expect a great deal of help the US isnt what it used to be

If U.S. did not help almost a decade ago when China started occupying various areas, then it's likely they won't help in the future.

Also, what's this "we" thing? Citizens don't control or own the U.S. military; the financial elite and their junior government partners do. That's why there are large prison systems in place, drones and other means used to spy on civilians, etc. The same thing takes place for China.

Also, both countries are heavy in debt, have complex and vulnerable economies, and are basically tied to each other. If war takes place, they will pull each other down and the rest of the countries.

Agit8dChop

Krazysh0t
Arrogance? You (and the guy you are quoting) are mistaking my position on this as some form of boasting. I am by no means boasting. I am first and foremost speaking from experience. I am a veteran of the US Army and served in a war zone and secondly I am looking at the simple numbers. I am just calling it how the cards are laid out. We outpace the world in military spending.

You know the Germans outdid other European nations on spending and military tech.
The only reason the Russians won? was numbers. The Nazi's were astounded by the Russians ability to never run out of men.

Also, the will to fight counts for a lot, on both sides of the spectrum.

The Chinese people and leadership are more than willing to send 1000's at a time to their death. America on the other hand values life a little more. It's not about who wins or loses in a conventional war, its about what ground you gain and the enemies ability to drive you out.

America might have the most technologically advanced machines, but they take time to replenish. Not saying China isnt in this boat but China has the bigger manufacturing base, the better economy and more people to throw away.

Unless the USA goes nuclear first, China would beat the USA in a 1 on 1 ground war. IMHO!

Different time, different war tactics used. To think that Germany's technological edge is comparable to America's current technological edge is foolish. Like I said earlier, it certainly is possible that China could overcome this issue, but highly unlikely.

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You know, what gets me on this? I never feared seeing the US lose a war prior to the point we've reached now. It never would have been a concern. The most basic reason was the most odd for logic. The Military and planners approached war KNOWING WE COULD LOSE...and so, fought so hard and with such odds, it truly was impossible. 500,000 people in 1990 speaks to my point there. A half size crew, to be defeated in 2003 .....got defeated. It just took 10 years to be made official.

Today it isn't the ability of the Military, if it didn't have people in political office snatching defeat from the jaws of victory whenever possible. However, politicians haven't ALLOWED America to win more than a petty island rescue operation like Grenada since 1945. Do you honestly believe now, after over half a century, we've IMPROVED that leadership and political problem?

I'd say it's gotten nothing but worse. The arrogance is worse. The set up for ...defeat..has never, in my life, been clearer. We're going to lose the next big war. I have no question in my mind on that, and lose it for REAL..not just politically. We'll lose it because we forget HOW to fight like we wanted to win ...not because we're incapable.

We'll lose the next war to China because some pretty well want it that way, and they are too high up in the leadership structure to write off, IMO.

Will Battlefield 4 - China Rising - become a reality in the very near future i ask.
Theres a saying -

"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within" - Ariel Durant.

I think China has had exactly this in mind for a long, long time, and now, seeing th U.S spiralling into economic descent, they sense the moment could be now.

Wrabbit2000
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You know, what gets me on this? I never feared seeing the US lose a war prior to the point we've reached now. It never would have been a concern. The most basic reason was the most odd for logic. The Military and planners approached war KNOWING WE COULD LOSE...and so, fought so hard and with such odds, it truly was impossible. 500,000 people in 1990 speaks to my point there. A half size crew, to be defeated in 2003 .....got defeated. It just took 10 years to be made official.

Today it isn't the ability of the Military, if it didn't have people in political office snatching defeat from the jaws of victory whenever possible. However, politicians haven't ALLOWED America to win more than a petty island rescue operation like Grenada since 1945. Do you honestly believe now, after over half a century, we've IMPROVED that leadership and political problem?

I'd say it's gotten nothing but worse. The arrogance is worse. The set up for ...defeat..has never, in my life, been clearer. We're going to lose the next big war. I have no question in my mind on that, and lose it for REAL..not just politically. We'll lose it because we forget HOW to fight like we wanted to win ...not because we're incapable.

We'll lose the next war to China because some pretty well want it that way, and they are too high up in the leadership structure to write off, IMO.

Will never go to war with china the economies are too tied together.Si it wont be china but who knows there are other possibilities.

reply to post by Bassago


sounds like a good plan to set up another conflict between their 'chinese' and 'pinoy' citizens. and also Fear.

peace.

Btw i just noticed that this news is kinda old, atleast the video from youtube is drop there: 7.01.2013, so its atleast year old news and another my cousing in PI tells that this is atleast 5 year old discussion. So i wonder why post this now again, i mean is there something happend lately?

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Will never go to war with china the economies are too tied together.Si it wont be china but who knows there are other possibilities.

Those very same words were heard before World War I and they were heard before World War II. I personally heard them in 1989, 1990 and 2002. In all cases...they've been sure of something not happening, that then happened.

Never say never..Thats a very big word, often shown as empty as the basis for using it.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


This would be the most logical reason we lose a war with China. We defeat ourselves as opposed to China doing any real damage to us. But think about it, our nation hasn't been seriously threatened with conventional warfare since the end of WWII. We haven't had to worry about another country conquering our country since the Civil War. I understand that the apathy and ignorance of the politicians in office is bad, but we don't know how the public will react if their safety is TRULY threatened with a very real chance of being attacked. Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf, all of those conflicts while the government yelled over and over how they were protecting us with those war, never really threatened the country's actual safety. China is a WORLD power and has the ability to hurt us if they wanted to do so. Something tells me if China started to pose a real threat to us, the patriotism that we displayed around 2001 will reemerge and exist until the threat has been vanquished. Though one never knows what can and will happen. I am just looking at the numbers and playing the odds.

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This is a great read for some one who is interested in the Chinese governmental mindset.

The Rise of China vs. the Logic of Strategy by Edward N. Luttwak

From Amazon

For any country whose rising strength cannot go unnoticed, the universal logic of strategy allows only military or economic growth. But China is pursuing both goals simultaneously. Its military buildup and assertive foreign policy have already stirred up resistance among its neighbors, just three of whom—India, Japan, and Vietnam—together exceed China in population and wealth. Unless China’s leaders check their own ambitions, a host of countries, which are already forming tacit military coalitions, will start to impose economic restrictions as well.

They really are pissing off a lot of other people in their neighborhood.

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Oh, definitely true on the pissing people off in the neighborhood. I was shocked speechless last year to actually see Hanoi looking to Washington for direct HELP up to possible intervention (diplomatically, I'm sure) in their own dispute with China over territorial claims. Vietnam...asking Washington for help. Whoda thought they'd see the day ever come again?

That must be a sign of ...'issues'...among the nations of the Asian power set. All is not happy in that big house!

Krazysh0t
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China is a WORLD power and has the ability to hurt us if they wanted to do so. Something tells me if China started to pose a real threat to us, the patriotism that we displayed around 2001 will reemerge and exist until the threat has been vanquished.

China my friend is not Iraq, or a banana republic like panama. China has they capacity to put America well and truly in the hurt locker.
After ten years of war and the loss of thousands of American boys, people wouldnt be so patrioic because they know China has the capacity to send hundreds of thousands to thier graves.
Jingoism, sabre rattling, its all fine and dandy, but nobody wants to loose a son.

reply to post by Bassago

We unleash the full military might of the US over said Philippine island.

Yeah, I read that (page 5, I think?).
If China takes the Philipines, the US bombs the crap out of the Philipines.
Maybe not the best plan....

andy1972

Krazysh0t
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

China is a WORLD power and has the ability to hurt us if they wanted to do so. Something tells me if China started to pose a real threat to us, the patriotism that we displayed around 2001 will reemerge and exist until the threat has been vanquished.

China my friend is not Iraq, or a banana republic like panama. China has they capacity to put America well and truly in the hurt locker.
After ten years of war and the loss of thousands of American boys, people wouldnt be so patrioic because they know China has the capacity to send hundreds of thousands to thier graves.
Jingoism, sabre rattling, its all fine and dandy, but nobody wants to loose a son.

You obviously haven't read the thread. I've outlined throughout the thread my reasons along with another poster why China doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything to us. Maybe go back and reread the thread and then maybe try to provide something a little more concrete than your gut instinct (that has been inflated through MSM fear mongering).

I'll start your adventure through the thread with a little bit of information. China may have tons of people, but they have limited means to get them to our country that would effectively create a bottleneck of troops pouring in that the US could easily get on top of. Now go off and read some more. We had a pretty lively debate in this thread last night, it should be a good read for you.

Krazysh0t

andy1972

Krazysh0t
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

China is a WORLD power and has the ability to hurt us if they wanted to do so. Something tells me if China started to pose a real threat to us, the patriotism that we displayed around 2001 will reemerge and exist until the threat has been vanquished.

China my friend is not Iraq, or a banana republic like panama. China has they capacity to put America well and truly in the hurt locker.
After ten years of war and the loss of thousands of American boys, people wouldnt be so patrioic because they know China has the capacity to send hundreds of thousands to thier graves.
Jingoism, sabre rattling, its all fine and dandy, but nobody wants to loose a son.

You obviously haven't read the thread. I've outlined throughout the thread my reasons along with another poster why China doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything to us. Maybe go back and reread the thread and then maybe try to provide something a little more concrete than your gut instinct (that has been inflated through MSM fear mongering).

I'll start your adventure through the thread with a little bit of information. China may have tons of people, but they have limited means to get them to our country that would effectively create a bottleneck of troops pouring in that the US could easily get on top of. Now go off and read some more.

edit on 13-1-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)

Thats not true if China and the US go to war the first thing is the global economy would crash at first anyway. Can the US defeat China yes. For US its simple box them in and use lots of bombs but the loss of life would be tremendous and in the end even a victory for the US will still lead to its destruction.Because the damage it would sustain would make the rebuilding of Europe after World War 2 childs play.

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I sort of agree with you except for one thing - Washington wants to lose, but Washington and America are light years apart these days.

There could be all hell break loose if we did actually get into a big one and our own political class in both the military and the Swamp try to backstab us at a critical moment. Of course, we might lose because of a revolt on our own turf ...