US the biggest threat to world peace in 2013 – poll

reply to post by SecTownKid

Beautiful post you hit it dead on, could not have said it better!

Perhaps you could elaborate the bits Corruption is afraid to....

Sometimes, as a human being, you have to isolate yourself to meditate or reflect to achieve a healing.

I believe that is where our country as a whole is at now.

Perhaps we should return to the pre-cold war america, of where we had to be dragged into wars. Take care of our own for a time.

I have never been beyond our borders, so some of the vitriol about americans on this board takes me by surprise.

I know large global corporations will punish us for that, but they already have with recessions and The Great Recession.

You want to take back our Country? It starts in your heart first. Like our founding ancestors and pioneers. The Love first for what we have, instead of the cannibal greed of the past decades.

Xtrozero


Just curios...what country do you live in?

UK so just as bad as the USA

Al Qaeda was never mentioned...hmmm...they are currently trying to topple the government of Syria, they are in Iraq trying to topple that government, they are in the Sudan trying to topple that government, they are in Yemen trying to topple that government, they have constantly fought against the Pakistani government, they are fighting Americans in Afghanistan. they are an organized, global, terrorist group that have tried to overthrow governments all around the world....and yet, somehow, America is the biggest threat.

jimmyx
Al Qaeda was never mentioned...hmmm...they are currently trying to topple the government of Syria, they are in Iraq trying to topple that government, they are in the Sudan trying to topple that government, they are in Yemen trying to topple that government, they have constantly fought against the Pakistani government, they are fighting Americans in Afghanistan. they are an organized, global, terrorist group that have tried to overthrow governments all around the world....and yet, somehow, America is the biggest threat.

The purpose of any poll is not to determine the facts of the situation polled about, but to determine the effectiveness of the media's marketing of a particular situation. Al Qaeda's marketing department was doing pretty well when they made the United States their principle target. Now that they are attacking fellow Muslims, their popularity is waning. In any event, anti-American propaganda is the most useful. If you oppose a tyrant, you accuse the tyrant of being an American puppet. If you support a tyrant, you claim that he is the only leader brave enough to stand up against the Americans. Pure propaganda gold.

baburak
The poll is not saying that Americans are evil or anything in that context. Just foreign politics, which are "Lets bomb the s%1t out of that country in order to save them" and "We will make sure that you don't have a country to lead if you don't want to resign on your own" ... just look what happened with Syria last year. Americans are mostly good people, US Army is full of good people ... the problem is, that your 'leaders' are mostly idiots that don't respect anyone except themselves.

let's take Syria as an example....America has not invaded it, nor interfered militarily, and look what has happened, hundreds of thousands of people killed...how many "wedding parties" worth of people, do you think Al Qaeda has killed. America pulled out of Iraq, and now Al Qaeda is killing hundreds of people there. they are killing fellow Muslims all around the world, they constantly are blowing people up in Africa, middle east, now southern Russia....apparently everyone here that hates America, doesn't care about that happening.

reply to post by jimmyx

let's take Syria as an example....America has not invaded it, nor interfered militarily, and look what has happened, hundreds of thousands of people killed...how many "wedding parties" worth of people, do you think Al Qaeda has killed. America pulled out of Iraq, and now Al Qaeda is killing hundreds of people there. they are killing fellow Muslims all around the world, they constantly are blowing people up in Africa, middle east, now southern Russia....apparently everyone here that hates America, doesn't care about that happening.

Once again, the poll is about people's opinions, not reality. In 2001, the United States was indeed the greatest threat to world peace because it was led by an administration that strongly advocated interventionism, going so far as to dictate forced regime change. Most of the participants here don't seem to realize that the past fifty years of overseas involvement is atypical for the US. There has always been a strong isolationist tendency which is once again asserting itself,not merely among extremists like Ron Paul, but even in the current centrist administration. The US did not get involved in any of the "Arab Spring" rebellions, and only grudgingly loaned air support and intel in Libya. It has washed its hands completely of Syria. If it is true that the United States is the greatest threat to world peace now,it is because of its withdrawal from the world stage. Japan and China can now feel free to engage in their ancient grudge match without the US pulling them off one another.

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So what do you think would happen if US intervened in Middle East? Just look at Lybia (I know US wasn't the first one there. It was France and UK). Before intervention, they had highest standard in the region and were one of the best positioned countries in the region. Now there're a lot of 'clans' trying to gain control.

Now look at the opposition in Syria. Even US administration admitted that about 1 in 5 of those fighters are extremists. Over the border, US is in war against them, in Syria they're allies. Some of those people even fought in both wars - against US and with US against Assad. US administration didn't even have plan what to do after intervention. They would just leave extremists there to gain control over the biggest chemical weapons stockpile in the world and over Syria.

If one wants to intervene in Syria, he needs a complete plan of what will be happening there in the next 10-15 years at least. Bombing the s41t out of Assad wouldn't bring peace in Syria. It would just made things worse.

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The US is not interfering in Syria. It is the perfect example of what happens in the "Middle East" when the US leaves it alone. Yemen is another place that Americans are leaving alone. South Sudan is yet another place the US is leaving alone. Yup, things are always perfect until the evil Americans invade.

reply to post by DJW001


US did not interfere in Syria but US did send them weapons. Those same weapons, their 'allies' are using in Syria and against US soldiers and soldiers of other nations over the border.

If arming terrorists is not a threat to world peace, nothing is

P.S.: Fighters, US sent weapons to in official televised interview said that all foreign citizens in Syria, especially Russians, will be their targets. It was an official televised statement. In other words, they said they will kill thousands of foreign civilians that live and work in Syria.

baburak
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US did not interfere in Syria but US did send them weapons. Those same weapons, their 'allies' are using in Syria and against US soldiers and soldiers of other nations over the border.

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Really? I recall Russia sending the Loyalists arms but I seem to recall President Obama taking a lot of flack for refusing to send arms to the Rebels. Do you have any sort of source for that statement?

DJW001

baburak
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US did not interfere in Syria but US did send them weapons. Those same weapons, their 'allies' are using in Syria and against US soldiers and soldiers of other nations over the border.

edit on 7-1-2014 by baburak because: (no reason given)

Really? I recall Russia sending the Loyalists arms but I seem to recall President Obama taking a lot of flack for refusing to send arms to the Rebels. Do you have any sort of source for that statement?

Yes, I do. U.S. weapons reaching Syrian rebels

jimmyx
Al Qaeda was never mentioned...hmmm...they are currently trying to topple the government of Syria, they are in Iraq trying to topple that government, they are in the Sudan trying to topple that government, they are in Yemen trying to topple that government, they have constantly fought against the Pakistani government, they are fighting Americans in Afghanistan. they are an organized, global, terrorist group that have tried to overthrow governments all around the world....and yet, somehow, America is the biggest threat.

Yes, and who do you think we have to thank for them gaining that advantage?

We originally toppled Saddam Hussein. We can quibble about whether or not that was necessary, but afterward, we were the only stabilizing force there in Iraq, and oh look! We up and left. AQ moves in.

We are the ones supplying AQ with weapons in Syria, and Obama wanted to bomb al-Assad out of the blue after the chem attacks without even knowing for certain who used them which would have strengthened AQ's position there even more.

We helped topple Libyan dictator Qaddafi which opened the door to AQ and others there.

We stood with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Look at how well that has turned out.

In short, the current Middle East is one unstable mess today thanks to us, and at every turn we've done nothing by further destabilize it, opening doors for AQ rather than hindering them.

jimmyx
Al Qaeda was never mentioned...hmmm...they are currently trying to topple the government of Syria, they are in Iraq trying to topple that government, they are in the Sudan trying to topple that government, they are in Yemen trying to topple that government, they have constantly fought against the Pakistani government, they are fighting Americans in Afghanistan. they are an organized, global, terrorist group that have tried to overthrow governments all around the world....and yet, somehow, America is the biggest threat.

The American government organised and orchestrated the situation in Syria as they have done again and again around the world; most recently in Libya but previous meddling's include Iran, many countries in south America, Africa, the middle east, asia and even Northern Ireland with the funding and support given to the IRA.

Time and time again we have seen the close relationship between al-Qaida and the CIA who incidentally set them up initially with weapons and training to repel Saddam from invading Saudi Arabia...

For the full list of American meddling for profit see : THIS

The list is extensive , all of my statement above is based on factual information.