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This leads Judas to suggest using a kiss as a means to identify him.
TheStev
reply to post by signalfire
Are you honestly comparing the reporting of current events in this modern global village we live in today, with historical records from a thousand years ago? Are you suggesting that, because these events were not recorded immediately, it is likely these events never happened? I'm no historian, but from what I understand much of the historical record was penned well after the fact. There was no Reuters, no Twitter. The fact that you expect events to be chronicled in the way they might be today is a little naive.
And why must the bible be judged on what it is used for? Has nothing good ever been corrupted? Nothing pure ever been abused to hurt/control people? I don't hold the bible in all that much esteem personally, but neither do I dismiss it out of hand - and certainly not because of how it has been used. I'm not saying we shouldn't consider that as a factor either, but I don't think it's nearly enough to dismiss the text entirely.
signalfire[/I]
I judge the bible based on its content and global effect; if you think it was written by a god, then that god was certifiable and a mass murderer. It's holding back billions of people from learning science or advancing into modernity and rational thought rather than wishful thinking; the world was demonstrably better off when they were worshipping golden calves. If it wasn't written by a god, then it's what? Something so hideous as to boggle the mind. Written by people pretending to be god...declaring themselves to be god, but without any evidence for being god. And almost 2000 years later, it's still in vogue for some insane reason.
Bybyots
The Magi reinforce this by telling Herod when they meet him that The Star-Child has "worshipers in every land" (17:5), they also tell Mary and Joseph that, “forms of him are seen in every land, because he has been sent by his majesty [God the Father] for the salvation and redemption of every human being” (23:4).
TheStev
Now sure, that leaves us with a bit of a mess to say the least - and it's hard to know what the 'original message' was. But despite all the changes it might have gone through - at some point (I believe) god was trying to talk to us (probably still does) and I think that's worth (at the very least) considering.
On a serious note, I wish someone would rerelease the original bible without the modifications and omissions.
The word 'Christ' means the light of consciousness
Greek is the biggest hurdle for the most important, and nobody knows greek, no not really, so it's never going to be perfect they say.
Jehovah is not the name of God.
It is pronounced "eee - ho - vuh ".
Genesis could not be interpreted because nobody was left alive to do it. God came down and made everyone suddenly know a different language when they rebelled, so you could say he stabs himself in the back, but in a way, we did it to ourselves. Now we'll just have to guess and hope we're not f-ing up.
octotom
No one knows for sure how God's name is pronounced.
Here is God's name: יהוה
YHWH. To our best guess, it's pronounced Yahweh.
octotom
reply to post by Itisnowagain
The problem with that thought is God named himself. YHWH→"I am the I am" or "I am the existing one"
"to those who saw him (Jesus) he did not appear alike to all."
"Then the Jews said to Judas: How shall we arrest him (Jesus), for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat coloured, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man ..." This leads Judas to suggest using a kiss as a means to identify him.
leolady
wHY CAN'T THE BOTTOM EXCERPT BE COPIED FROM THE ABOVE POST ?
...but his appearance changes...etc...
"Then the Jews said to Judas: How shall we arrest him (Jesus), for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat coloured, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man ..." This leads Judas to suggest using a kiss as a means to identify him.
I've never heard of this before, if true this would be crazy. This is weird information.