1,200-year-old Egyptian text describes a shape-shifting Jesus

Rosinitiate
Its interesting to note that the book of Judas some people interpret as proof that Jesus was the gay love to Judas yet here it references a kiss by Judas to identify Jesus because he changed his body whether in color or age.

If the media gets wind that our Lord and savior is gay it will be all over the news like that media lady.

reply to post by Rosinitiate


In egypt especially the GNOSTIC (Greek for knowledge - Agnostic means 'no' knowledge) form of chrisitanity survived despite persecution, it's adherants practiced the belief in hidden knowledge and such passages as "I shall come unto each as one of there own" where taken to have litteral meaning which is given weight but passages where jesus walked with his own desciples after the resurrection but they did not know him until he opened there eye's, also in the old testament there were passages were angels were unseen or unrecognized but where revealed to be beings of authority.
The Gnostic path is not isolated solely to christianity but can be found in many other religions especially the Judeo, Christian and Islamic sects and are distinguished in part by being more peaceful than there non Gnostic brethren and of course more philosophical as for the christian sects though sadly many of there offshoots deteriorated away from the christian path toward the occult in the west and many esoteric sects originated through distorted gnostic misinterpretations.
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Oh come on it was 800 years after the man was here, of course there will be some gilding of the lily.
What's even more, 2000 years later the man was a god and super hero and people are still killing and dying for a fictional character.

reply to post by LABTECH767

The Gnostic path is not isolated solely to christianity

Gnosticism pre-dates Christianity by several centuries, as it is the religious offshoot of Platonic philosophy.

"Christian Gnosticism" was the attempt to reconcile two disparate religions, Judaism and Gnosticism, by creating a mythos in which Jesus was the "Bringer of Gnosis", with the whole story being made up, part and parcel, by a former Christian Bishop, Valentinus, who was passed over for Pope and left the church as a result in the middle of the Second Century.

g146541
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

Oh come on it was 800 years after the man was here, of course there will be some gilding of the lily.
What's even more, 2000 years later the man was a god and super hero and people are still killing and dying for a fictional character.

Or the stories could all be true. 'Just saying.

signalfire
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

Why would we take seriously a text written 800 years after the 'fact'?

Those monks really didn't have anything better to do than 'translate' from one language to another, make up stories and ceaselessly ponder useless religious texts their whole lives.

Has that problem about angels dancing on the heads of pins been solved yet?

It baffles my mind that we take the bible as fact but scoff at all the other collections of myths and legends.

C'mon people, there's more proof of Bigfoot than of Jesus. I don't mean Jesus who you saw fight for the junior lightweight title a few weeks ago on the Friday Night Fights either!

Derek

LABTECH767

The Gnostic path is not isolated solely to christianity but can be found in many other religions [...]

Yes indeed, that's because it isn't a set of shared cultural beliefs that make a gnostic a gnostic. It's direct experience of the Divine that makes a gnostic.

Christian fundamentalists seem to want to think of Gnosticism as a belief system that opposes their own. But of course that isn't the right way to think of it at all. They would realize that if they were mystics. If they were really following in Jesus footsteps, they would be mystics as he was and able to transcend the culture-bound dogma of their time and place as he did instead of regurgitating it and stuffing pews.

g146541
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

Oh come on it was 800 years after the man was here, of course there will be some gilding of the lily.
What's even more, 2000 years later the man was a god and super hero and people are still killing and dying for a fictional character.

Looks like the word Historical was misspelled.

Further I don't remember a single line, word, or quote
where Jesus tells anyone to Kill or Die for him.

Quite the opposite, actually.

Mike Grouchy

reply to post by SLAYER69


This below reminds me of what Enoch said would happen in the "last days". Confusion, that is.

"the consequence would be a confusion of the church with the world ... whereby the church would forfeit her purity, and, while seeming to conquer, would herself be conquered." - General History of the Christian Religion and Church, vol. 2, p. 16

searchforbibletruths.blogspot.com...

The Council changed the way people thought and or worshiped and they created an Emperor and Priests were no longer able to marry.

“In 325 the Council of Nicaea declared that those who were unmarried at ordination could not marry afterward ....” - p. 280, The Christian Book of Why, John C. McCollister (Lutheran minister and university professor - graduate of the Trinity Lutheran Seminary), NY, 1983. - - Also see p. 660 f.n., Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, vol. 3, Simon & Schuster, Inc., 1944.

Christianity definitely would have been different. Constantine is said to have burned anything that went along the lines of Arianism.

Now.. if it's true that Constantine did in fact get baptized on his death bed then why would he have had Eusebius of Nicomedia ( an Arian) do it? Hmmm... ??

I think this link www.deism.com... is one of the best I have read regarding the Council and the implications it had birthing what Christianity is today.

Who knows what the truth is.... really. Jesus a shape shifter? lol Maybe so.. Maybe they ate shrooms or some other psychedelic. lol

Viesczy

It baffles my mind that we take the bible as fact but scoff at all the other collections of myths and legends.

C'mon people, there's more proof of Bigfoot than of Jesus. I don't mean Jesus who you saw fight for the junior lightweight title a few weeks ago on the Friday Night Fights either!

Derek

Well... since what is being described here
is modern propaganda, it is appropriate that
it would baffle the mind.

The one thing the modern secular society and it's
atheist dominated institutions of higher learning
have trouble admitting or remembering is that . . .


If not for Jesus, that little department of universities
we call "History" would not exist.



Ever since the day he was crucified, people have been
asking what-the-hell-happened... and the demand for
more accurate records, and clearer pictures of the past
has continued unabated to this day.

Mike Grouchy

reply to post by signalfire


We find ancient texts that describe the way of life at the time in China and no one questions it. You find the tale of an ancient king and it is written in this history books.

You get anything remotely religiously involved (namely judeo-christian) and people start asking why we give any credence to a text that's centuries old.

rickymouse
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

If the spirit of god filled Jesus, then this spirit could actually go into different individuals at different times. That means the messiah can change bodies. That is different than the body changing. Think about this, could the messiah actually be a spirit that moves at will from person to person? Could Jesus just have been a vessel that this spirit was fond of. What I am saying is that the Holy Spirit may be actually one with god mindset and Jesus was just one of the cups that was filled with god. Sort of sounds like the trinity to me

The transfiguration

reply to post by Rosinitiate


It reminds me of something I read recently in another thread.

Bybyots
The Magi reinforce this by telling Herod when they meet him that The Star-Child has "worshipers in every land" (17:5), they also tell Mary and Joseph that, “forms of him are seen in every land, because he has been sent by his majesty [God the Father] for the salvation and redemption of every human being” (23:4).

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Have you read The Chronicle Projects restorations yet?

mikegrouchy

Viesczy

It baffles my mind that we take the bible as fact but scoff at all the other collections of myths and legends.

C'mon people, there's more proof of Bigfoot than of Jesus. I don't mean Jesus who you saw fight for the junior lightweight title a few weeks ago on the Friday Night Fights either!

Derek

If not for Jesus, that little department of universities
we call "History" would not exist.

WHOA ! !

Really?.. so... there was NO HISTORY before Jesus?

Noone taught, read, or even considered writing down anything historical before that?

Jesus is NOW responsible for history?

you may need to clarify, because giving Jesus credit for history..

HOLY COW!!

reply to post by Rosinitiate


There is no original bible because the bible is many books. Greek is the biggest hurdle for the most important, and nobody knows greek, no not really, so it's never going to be perfect they say. One guy did interpret some of those books and there's a name for that bible (incomplete) but I forget, just look for it.
One thing I can say for certain; Jehovah is not the name of God. It is pronounced "eee - ho - vuh ".
Genesis could not be interpreted because nobody was left alive to do it. God came down and made everyone suddenly know a different language when they rebelled, so you could say he stabs himself in the back, but in a way, we did it to ourselves. Now we'll just have to guess and hope we're not f-ing up.

To me it's always been the 'spirit' of the word anyway. If you can't see it clearly, you need to remain indoors until you get it stuck in your head and know the reasoning behind the 10 commandments.

Nowadays Jesus usually shape-shifts onto bathroom mold or tortilla chips.

DaMod
reply to post by signalfire

 

We find ancient texts that describe the way of life at the time in China and no one questions it. You find the tale of an ancient king and it is written in this history books.

You get anything remotely religiously involved (namely judeo-christian) and people start asking why we give any credence to a text that's centuries old.

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Did the Chinese wait 800 years before they documented a given occurrence? We know there was a tsunami that hit both the Pacific NW and the coast of Japan on January 26, 1700 at approximately 9 pm. If the Japanese had waited 800 years to write that one down, we'd still be waiting for the news.

Don't you think if you had a true savior show up curing the sick and showing up three days after his death that someone would have written down the exact date and time? Perhaps a verbatim transcription of the Sermon on the Mount would have been useful, too. Where are the tablets that Moses brought down?

Let's face it, at best the Bible is a game of 'telephone'; at worst, it was fabricated for whatever purpose the people involved had, and we can only judge those purposes by the end product - a whole bunch of people told what to think, what to be afraid of, and who to give money to. Notice nowhere was there a handy explanation of the real mysteries of the time; lightning say, or illnesses both mental and physical.

In other words, it would be real nifty if god were helpful beyond emotional solace for the 'believers' and hateful vengeance towards those who don't believe and an excuse for wars against nearly any- and everybody.

That reminds me. How come so many 'Christians' love killing for 'God and country'? If your god's commandments were overarching, all Christians would be pacifists and it would have been real hard to get most wars started in the last 2000 years. And don't bring up war because of Nazis. They were Christians too.

If Jesus was a habitual shape shifter how would Judas have known who to kiss? Andy why kiss him when pointing would have done just as well?

Furthermore this manuscript was made available to American culture by JP Morgan - an Illuminati banker who always had the best interests of the world in his heart.

reply to post by signalfire


Are you honestly comparing the reporting of current events in this modern global village we live in today, with historical records from a thousand years ago? Are you suggesting that, because these events were not recorded immediately, it is likely these events never happened? I'm no historian, but from what I understand much of the historical record was penned well after the fact. There was no Reuters, no Twitter. The fact that you expect events to be chronicled in the way they might be today is a little naive.

And why must the bible be judged on what it is used for? Has nothing good ever been corrupted? Nothing pure ever been abused to hurt/control people? I don't hold the bible in all that much esteem personally, but neither do I dismiss it out of hand - and certainly not because of how it has been used. I'm not saying we shouldn't consider that as a factor either, but I don't think it's nearly enough to dismiss the text entirely.