Israel kills another 3 year old girl with her mother and wounded dozens of others - Christmas day

reply to post by buster2010


The Arab armies may never have stepped foot in Israel but it was not for a lack of trying. Israel had better trained soldiers and tankers that had their backs against their homes and families. That sort of thing tends to motivate soldiers. Ask the nazis how the Russians fought when their families were threatened. Neither side in this conflict is willing to compromise.

reply to post by buster2010

You may want to look up something called international law. Annexing land by force is illegal. Every bit of land Israel controls outside of the 48 borders is illegal. That is why many European and American organizations are starting to boycott the occupied lands.

So Buster exactly when in time do you draw the line that an aggressor but defected enemy gets its land given back to it by the victor? Just interested, 1950? 1850? 1700? When? And, which international law are you referring to?

So a random sniper that could have been from EITHER SIDE...(we have our own citizens shoot up our country all of the time) shoots one man, and then Israel has the right to just bomb training camps in another country, and sloppily so. They can't aim and make sure they are not killing innocent civilians? Then when they kill a child (baby girl) by accident, Israel does not apologize...Israel just threatens more? "If it's not quiet in Israel, it won't be quiet in Gaza strip". Wow...that is pure evil.

Why do we support these assholes?

JRockABM
So a random sniper that could have been from EITHER SIDE...(we have our own citizens shoot up our country all of the time) shoots one man, and then Israel has the right to just bomb training camps in another country, and sloppily so. They can't aim and make sure they are not killing innocent civilians? Then when they kill a child (baby girl) by accident, Israel does not apologize...Israel just threatens more? "If it's not quiet in Israel, it won't be quiet in Gaza strip". Wow...that is pure evil.

Why do we support these assholes?

What a piece of luck it was for Israel that the "Israeli" killed by a Palestinian sniper turns out to be a Bedouin working FOR Israel, not a Jew.

www.haaretz.com...

Ironic that Israel would go on the attack over the death of someone they've been trying to get rid of for decades, isn't it?

972mag.com...

Why do we support them? The Samson Option maybe? After all, "our" representatives work FOR Israel, just like the sniped Bedouin guy.

whywhynot
reply to post by buster2010

 

You may want to look up something called international law. Annexing land by force is illegal. Every bit of land Israel controls outside of the 48 borders is illegal. That is why many European and American organizations are starting to boycott the occupied lands.

So Buster exactly when in time do you draw the line that an aggressor but defected enemy gets its land given back to it by the victor? Just interested, 1950? 1850? 1700? When? And, which international law are you referring to?

Google search works but seeing how don't want to do any research I'll do it for you.

International law after 1948

The Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV) of 1949 amplified the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 with respect to the question of the protection of civilians. GCIV also emphasised the United Nations Charter: the United Nations Charter (June 26, 1945) had prohibited war of aggression (See articles 1.1, 2.3, 2.4) and GCIV Article 47, the first paragraph in Section III: Occupied territories, restricted the effects of annexation on the rights of persons within those territories:

Protected persons who are in occupied territory shall not be deprived, in any case or in any manner whatsoever, of the benefits of the present Convention by any change introduced, as the result of the occupation of a territory, into the institutions or government of the said territory, nor by any agreement concluded between the authorities of the occupied territories and the Occupying Power, nor by any annexation by the latter of the whole or part of the occupied territory. Article 49 prohibits mass movement of people out of or into occupied territory:
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive. ... The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

Anything else you don't want to research?

ignorant_ape
reply to post by buster2010

 

Bethlehem ??? the location and demographics of Bethlehem are utterly irrelevant to this -

I will give you one guess to figure out why [ I am feeling generous ]

No they are not irrelevant. The fact remains that Bethlehem is controlled by Israeli checkpoints. Maybe it's time you woke up to the real world.

reply to post by buster2010


Jews and Muslims are like oil and water. They will never get along peacefully. Take something that happened this week and Annalise it, the discussion always ends up bringing up events that happened before Jesus. Saying one side is right or wrong about something that happened today just feels crazy to me.

Hoosierdaddy71
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Jews and Muslims are like oil and water. They will never get along peacefully. Take something that happened this week and Annalise it, the discussion always ends up bringing up events that happened before Jesus. Saying one side is right or wrong about something that happened today just feels crazy to me.

Actually Jews and Muslims used to get along pretty good it wasn't until the rise of modern day Zionism that the conflict started. Jews actually looked for Muslims to protect them from the Christians. Like when the Christians took Spain over the Jews fled with the Muslims out of fear that the Christians would kill them. Look at Iran it is a Muslim nation and it has one of the largest populations of Jews outside Israel the Jews like it there so much they turned down the money Israel was offering them to move to Israel. They told Israel our faith is not for sale.

reply to post by buster2010


Don't think that you were "doing my research for me"! You made a claim, I asked you specifically what you were referencing, period.

There are violations on all sides of this issue according to the GC. Just one example is:

Part III. Status and Treatment of Protected Persons[edit]

Section I. Provisions common to the territories of the parties to the conflict and to occupied territories[edit]
Article 32. A protected person/s shall not have anything done to them of such a character as to cause physical suffering or extermination ... the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishments, mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment' While popular debate remains on what constitutes a legal definition of torture (see discussion on the Torture page), the ban on corporal punishment simplifies the matter; even the most mundane physical abuse is thereby forbidden by Article 32, as a precaution against alternate definitions of torture.

Both sides do this, until there is enforcement of the GC terms and conditions on all sides I cannot blame Israel from protecting themselves by keeping a property boundary between the belligerents.

You cannot cherry pick the application of provisions that you like and ignore the other ones.

whywhynot
reply to post by buster2010

 

Don't think that you were "doing my research for me"! You made a claim, I asked you specifically what you were referencing, period.

There are violations on all sides of this issue according to the GC. Just one example is:

Part III. Status and Treatment of Protected Persons[edit]

Section I. Provisions common to the territories of the parties to the conflict and to occupied territories[edit]
Article 32. A protected person/s shall not have anything done to them of such a character as to cause physical suffering or extermination ... the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishments, mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment' While popular debate remains on what constitutes a legal definition of torture (see discussion on the Torture page), the ban on corporal punishment simplifies the matter; even the most mundane physical abuse is thereby forbidden by Article 32, as a precaution against alternate definitions of torture.

Both sides do this, until there is enforcement of the GC terms and conditions on all sides I cannot blame Israel from protecting themselves by keeping a property boundary between the belligerents.

You cannot cherry pick the application of provisions that you like and ignore the other ones.

You read the law yet ignore it. The fact is Israel is annexing land by force and that is illegal. Who do you think is suffering in this conflict? Israel is not the one who is suffering here. Did you think posting this in any way supports your claim because it doesn't because nobody is protected in this conflict.

reply to post by buster2010

You are also ignoring the point that I make, BOTH sides are violating the GC and no one is enforcing it. Since no one is enforcing it on either side then Israel is protecting themselves the only way that is reasonably available to them, controlling a buffer zone.

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Sadly most 'christians' dont' have a clue about stuff as this
but are conditioned to be clueless :

Cool youtube vid of Christian Palestinians living in
Bethlehem :


Although some are finally waking-up and getting it :
London church blocks its facade with a
replica of Israeli wall around Bethlehem


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reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71


Jews and moggols are similar... They share the same dna (part of it), jews share multiple dna's from aryans, greeks and moggols. But as jews think that they are chosens, the same goes to moggols and aryans. Jews want their ideal leader to kill them all, keep some as slaves and these will rule the world... Moggols want to kill them all and they rule the world. Aryans love power and they are blind with it. They think they control the other 2...
Honestly, what makes them different from each other? They share the same god, who promises to everybody that he is the chosen... The dragonian god. Aryans also have Kronos, or saturn in english... Jews have Kronos as a secondary god they call him Sabbaoth.

Kronos is the fallen criminal from our ancient empire. We consider him as a criminal, a scum and when the time comes, he will be judged properly and die eternally... We punished criminals of that scale in Tartara, that translates into black holes.

Look the way Israelis behave to Palestine, may i remind you nazis, the way they behaved during the 40s? I may remind you who founded the war with the nazis (jews from USA did) and what did they killed? 5-6 millions of half blood jews, and 24-27 million humans from other races, irrelevant to jews. But nobody speaks about it, they are forgotten...
The same thing Israel is today. People blame Israelis, as the bad jewish... Wrong. Israelis are the byte, they are not real jews, they are controlled by them. Jews reside in all other countries in small numbers, controlling banks, governments. And if one day, israel become smoke/dust... They will "again" speak about another jewish holocaust, trying to hide their true victims. Like they did in the 40s, the 24 million deaths excluding the jews.
And here is a matter for consideration. Have you ever seen jewish turn against China? That china is an upcoming power, allready controlling production and most of the cash. No you havent and you will never see that. They try to reduce the Russian power, but not the Chinese.. There is a reason for everything. Research is a bless.


All 3 have similar desires and logical to have some competition (kill each other).

Ploutonas
And here is a matter for consideration. Have you ever seen jewish turn against China?

When did China attack Israel? I must have missed it.

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Thats a strange question u did... Have other countries that Israel hates and threats, ever attacked israel? And I think China openly supported Syria and Iran while the USA government focused mostly in the Russian threat. And its known that most of USA production is in China, Global production is in China!... So instead of taking measures against that, they are against Russia... They fear about the oils? Oils are not the reason, they can easily create a new form power, for our needs, without the need of oil and then the russian oils will be useless...

So lets translate this obsession.

Its a very str8 forward that jewish promoting China as their next power. Many people dont know, that zionism is chinese, nothing to do with Jewish. The great wall YOU call in english, the true name and ancient name is " the Zion wall". They focusing negatively against Russia, because they dont want Russia as the next big power. And they also want most of westerns dead.... Thats why their plans "prophecies" speak about a devastating war against Russia... Its what they desire. Its the 1000 years kingdom they dream of.

Also Hong brotherhood that controls all the rest around the world, resides in China! Those who know things about China, they have 2 systems, the chinese and the very restrictive HONG system, that is the master brotherhood of all (massons, illuminate, skull and bones, etc etc) Its the control center. Also yahbeh is Chinese (is the birthplace of the reptiles). Thats what they try to do, force westerns against Russia and China, China to control the planet. Its what they tried to do thousands of years ago and they failed. Atlantis age. Anyway, lets not talk about it, this is their feature desires and plans, that doesnt mean it WILL happen, not if we can help it !! Lets go back to the topic.

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Wow! In all my years on ATS, I have never seen such a toxic combination of ignorance, delusion and sheer hatred. Please seek professional help.

whywhynot
reply to post by buster2010

 

You are also ignoring the point that I make, BOTH sides are violating the GC and no one is enforcing it. Since no one is enforcing it on either side then Israel is protecting themselves the only way that is reasonably available to them, controlling a buffer zone.

How is Palestine breaking that law they are not stealing land and the buffer zone is just nonsense. How do you think Mexico and Canada would react if America started stealing land saying we need a buffer zone.

reply to post by buster2010

How is Palestine breaking that law they are not stealing land and the buffer zone is just nonsense.

Not only is "Palestine" (there are two of them now) not enforcing what agreements they have, the "government" in the Gaza strip is actively encouraging its citizens to kill Israelis. How would the US react if Canada refused to acknowledge that the United States exists, and smuggled arms and explosives across the border in an attempt to kill its neighbors?

DJW001
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How is Palestine breaking that law they are not stealing land and the buffer zone is just nonsense.

Not only is "Palestine" (there are two of them now) not enforcing what agreements they have, the "government" in the Gaza strip is actively encouraging its citizens to kill Israelis. How would the US react if Canada refused to acknowledge that the United States exists, and smuggled arms and explosives across the border in an attempt to kill its neighbors?

Palestine has recognized Israel as a state in every peace agreement they have signed with Israel so that lame argument is getting old. And since when did Americans take offense to a people defending themselves like the Palestinians are doing.

buster2010

DJW001
reply to post by buster2010

 

How is Palestine breaking that law they are not stealing land and the buffer zone is just nonsense.

Not only is "Palestine" (there are two of them now) not enforcing what agreements they have, the "government" in the Gaza strip is actively encouraging its citizens to kill Israelis. How would the US react if Canada refused to acknowledge that the United States exists, and smuggled arms and explosives across the border in an attempt to kill its neighbors?

Palestine has recognized Israel as a state in every peace agreement they have signed with Israel so that lame argument is getting old. And since when did Americans take offense to a people defending themselves like the Palestinians are doing.

Except that the Gaza Strip is now run by Hamas, which refuses to accept the right of Israel to exist. Why do you keep conveniently forgetting that there is no unified Palestine? As for Hamas "defending" itself, if Hamas spent half the effort it spends on trying to kill Israelis on building a safe and prosperous Palestinian state, Palestine, Israel, Lebanon and Jordan could create a free trade zone that would become the center of economic gravity for the region. This is why a certain non-Arab country in the region is waging such a vicious proxy war.