The Illuminati do exist... check this out and see for yourself!

Well, someone in another thread wanted proof or documents relating to whether the Illuminati Exist or not.

I don't know about exactly that, but here's a blimey good start..

They Rule
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Lil Sis

Using 'they rule'. I was able to select 'apple' and 'microsoft' and it scanned the database, connecting a character by the name of 'Kai Fu Lee' whom sat on the board of directors for both companies at one stage.

So that gave me an idea... what other companies allow for such data to be searched... and heres what I started next.

I loaded up 'Monsato Company' and for the heck of it, I chose 'Pepsico' - you know, because they are totally unrelated right.

What I found BLEW MY MIND. Through a degree of separation, there was ONE company that joined the two companies together, what showed was 'AMR Corporation'. Who in the world is AMR, and why are TWO board members from AMR connected to Monstato & PepsiCo.

A board member of Monstato that is on AMR board is "John W Bachman"
A board member of PepsiCo that is on AMR board is "Alberto lbarguen"

Those two are buddies through their connection on AMR Corporation.

So you can now use this tool to find connections from any company to any company to any institute to any board member.

So I researched AMR Corporation.... was a little disappointed that it wasn't the revelation of information i was seeking. But hold on... I see that AMR Corporation's CEO is 'Thomas W. Horton'.

AMR Corporation was a commercial aviation business and airline holding company based in Fort Worth, Texas, which was the parent company of American Airlines, American Eagle Airlines, AmericanConnection and Executive Airlines. Wikipedia
Headquarters: Fort Worth, TX, United States of America
CEO: Thomas W. Horton
Founded: 1982

I went back to 'They Rule' and saw that Thomas W.Horton is listed on 'Lilsis.org' with the following information..

AMR Corporation Parent company of American Airlines
Qualcomm Designs, manufactures & markets digital wireless telecommunications...
KPMG LLP One of the "Big Four" US accounting firms

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How deep does the rabbit hole go..

I love this website idea, could REALLY find useful information, see that the powers that be are there, right in your face, working together to direct the world in the way they've wanted to for hundreds of years.

What searches did you do? Did you find relevant information that can support the notion of the Illuminati, or find supportive evidence that they don't exist. What other searches did you come up with on They Rule.

Regards
Marty

Change the name from Illuminati and I agree with you that we are ruled by a few people enslaved in a parasitic monetary system.



The problem I have with the word Illuminati is that it is used by some people who miss interpret symbols relating to third eye and upward pyramid, that is the human trying to get a spiritual connection with god and reaching higher level of consciousness. Higher level of consciousness seems to be the last things the people you are talking would want since it creates people who question instead of follow like sheep and goats.

reply to post by LittleByLittle


Yes they have usurped everything in this world/dimension. I'm not sure what they haven't hijacked? We have to become adepts at ascertaining bits and pieces of the truth amongst a complete labyrinth of fabricated feces in this universe and even then it's questionable. The path is indeed narrow.

Take a reality and implant what you want it to see....that is to say implant the version of reality programming you desire towards your own end. In essence if you have the resources then that is actually a very easy thing to do in a planet where everyone is utterly and completely lost.

S&F for the thread OP.........it's a great concept but I do believe that these are just examples of the puppets that represent and play for the lower power that in itself represents another tier of power and so on and so on.

A very few are in charge, yes. It has been this way a very long time. Usually, trying to reveal that gets you nothing but more crap, and nothing for those who see it. It is a twisted arcosphere, in which, our energy and lives are seen as resources, I believe, and culled to create what those exemplified in those sites create, with their smiling faces....remember the old song....Smiling Faces and the backstabbing????

And if you know and try to reveal what's going on, you will become the joke they are all laughing at, in their pictures. Just my opinion, and I'm certifiable, so......Happy Holidays to ya, no matter whose holiday it is.
Tetra50

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''Change the name from Illuminati and I agree with you''

I fully support this view, The Illuminati has been used as a massive veil for all us truth seekers out there.
while there is evidence and documents that Adam Weishaupt started a group called ''The Illuminati'' i believe this group was a small part of a much larger whole, i would say that most involved with the societies and there goals do not call themselves Illuminati and belong to many groups of different name.

''The Illuminati'' has become a popular term to describe pretty much all groups and gives them the freedom to work without disturbance while everyone harps on about the Illuminati and misses the point in question, a bit of mis-direction if you ask me.

the only people that may call themselves such are the pop stars who seem to believe they are god's and goddesses on stage, and have obviously had there ego's pumped full of false promise. To put it simply they are tools being used to further an agenda.

i have been researching these groups for years, and can tell you for certain The Illuminati has very very little evidence apart from that which was left ''lying around'' and to be honest like i have said if they do exist they are just part of a network of many groups and organizations.

'They are One with many parts'

just like mankind! except they don't want us to understand this.
e.g. keep the cattle separate and fighting among themselves.

reply to post by Im a Marty


S&F for you Marty!

Although we disagree on this subject, I still respect that you did a good job with your thread. A lot of top business executives are interconnected because their companies are interconnected. This isn't due to some global conspiracy, but rather the way that business is done for growth, goals, etc...

I posted something about this a while back. It was based upon a highly complex algorithmic study on networks done by a couple of European scientists. Take a look...I think you will find it interesting...

Take a look near the middle or bottom of this post

Over 100 years ago Teddy Roosevelt realized the power of monopolies and refused to allow America to go back to feudalism with his "Trust-busting" campaign. Stifling competition not only creates unlimited potential for profit but gives an unfair advantage to big business.

Of even greater concern was the growing clouds of discontent that threatened to spread as violent reaction against the robber barons as they were called. The period from the end of the Civil War until the turn of the century was one of endless expansion of corporate interests at the expense of the people. Class division was so deep it threatened to start a new civil war if left unchanged.

www.ushistory.org...

Yet here we are again and there is no Teddy Roosevelt to take on the corporations. The voice of the people is limited to a handful of Congressmen while every other office of significant power is packed with corporate yes-men. Once again we see the vast gap between the super rich and the working poor. This time however the PTB seem confident that they have sufficient tools at their disposal to eliminate any threat to their positions of power and privilege. They use the MSM to deflect blame away from themselves and to deal with those who can't be brainwashed they have the intelligence/internal spy agencies to monitor the opposition and the might of the police and military to stop any physical attempts to remove them from power.

History does repeat itself. We've gone full circle once again to the same point we were at over 100 years ago. It takes a lot of nerve to call any of this "progress".
A big screen television and an Iphone are no substitute for basic rights or the ability to change government to meet the needs of the people (the 99%)

Roosevelt sought to avert a revolutionary bloodbath.
Apparently nobody is concerned and those in power feel safe behind the walls of their gated communities.

reply to post by Asktheanimals



I agree (and most wealthy people I know would agree) that there needs to be a balance between the "haves" and "have-nots." Do you think the wealthy are not painfully cognizant of the numerous revolutions that have happened in history because the rich ignored the needs of the poor? Unless you institute global communism in it's full theory, there will *always* be those who have more than those who don't. I'm not advocating monopolies or unfair business. I'm not saying there have never been illegal or unethical cases where someone wealthy took advantage of the poor (Bernie Madoff anyone?). But you can't cherry-pick isolated cases and judge an entire group of people by them. So many wealthy people give back to their community through philanthropy and jobs. Why does that not count for anything? Look at how many people are employed by the corporations you want to denigrate? Look at the benefits paid for those jobs too...not just salaries. And despite all of that, there is NOTHING in the world keeping the average joe from starting their own business or building their own empire.

It starts with education. How many schools teach financial literacy in this modern age? The Richest Man in Babylon

You say that people are being brainwashed by (non-objective) media. I don't disagree with this statement...but who holds the blame for this? Do you withdraw all personal accountability to the people themselves? Maybe that is the difference between someone who is a fighter or a victim. A revolutionary or a sit-on-the-fence type of guy/gal. Maybe something can be said for the person who refuses to be brainwashed, takes accountability for their own beliefs, life lessons, failures, and accomplishments and....most importantly....doesn't use them as a filter to judge other people.

These truly are the 1%. Now whether they belong to a group called the Illuminati, I highly doubt it. But maybe they do belong to a group that makes decisions that affect the world. With so much money and power, affecting things on a massive scale is possible. I don't think there is an established group though, but maybe there is. It is probably just a loose association of high-powered people getting together and "chatting," like the Bildeberg meetings.

I will say that any time these people are connected with one another, it cannot mean anything good for the rest of the world. They are focused solely on making money, and they will not stop at the bounds of their businesses, meaning they will take an interest in politics, and will probably shape the world and the events that occur within it, by utilizing their power and money.

JiggyPotamus
They are focused solely on making money, and they will not stop at the bounds of their businesses, meaning they will take an interest in politics, and will probably shape the world and the events that occur within it, by utilizing their power and money.

And how do you know that? Can you see into the hearts and minds of these people? Or do you believe it because someone else with an agenda told you it was true? Have you ever personally met any of these people or spent time with them?

I know some on this thread disagree with even the inkling of a notion that the Illuminati exist however I'm not going to stand down on the subject matter.

One of the methods of discerning fact from fiction is EVIDENCE. There are 'claims' but a claim NEEDS to be verified for evidence.

So here's a good step, is there evidence of such a conspiracy? How do we find out? There is a viable way of discerning conspiracies from fact or fiction using a simple method I was educated in using.

1) find the PRIMARY SOURCE of such evidence.

In the case of TPTB in controlling the world, was needing to find EVIDENCE directly from them themselves.

One piece of literature was the Memoirs of David Rockefeller.

David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405

Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

DIRECTLY from the horses mouth people. THAT is evidence.

Now don't mistake David Rockefeller with the BS Record label 'Roc-a-fella' by Jay-Z

Now, interesting enough, just found another quote by David Rockefeller himself....

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis..."
- David Rockefeller,
Club of Rome executive member

EDIT:

Found another, need to verify that it was infact stated by the Club of Rome though

"In Nature organic growth proceeds according to a Master Plan, a Blueprint. Such a ‘master plan’ is missing from the process of growth and development of the world system. Now is the time to draw up a master plan for sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years form today it will probably be too late."

-Club of Rome

Wouldn't surprise me. Actually the decisions our so called leaders make would start to make more sense.

Im a Marty

One piece of literature was the Memoirs of David Rockefeller.

***David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405

Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.***

DIRECTLY from the horses mouth people. THAT is evidence.

Marty, mon ami.... You want to look at quotes "from the horse's mouth? I'd be more than happy to do that... The quote you lined out so graciously above is frequently pointed to by conspiracy theorists... It is also taken out of context.

Please take a look at the TWO links below. One is a continuation of the other. It is information which I put together specifically about the Rockefellers. It links to an interview with Rockefeller where he specifically talks about that quote and clarifies that he, in fact, does NOT believe in a 'one world government.'

At the bottom of the 2nd link, I go on to put the real meaning of his quote into context....but in order to understand the full context, it helps if you read both posts.

Rockefellers - Post 1

Rockefellers - Post 2

reply to post by CIAGypsy


Ok checking now...gimme a few minutes

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Checked..

Ok regarding Philanthropy and Altruism, regarding science and media... He himself is estimated to have a net worth of 2.9 Billion, yet has donated about 900 Million into self serving organisations.

Now 900 million is LITTLE in comparison compared to his net worth. If he donated this money to other organisations, (working on the math now) there's 1 million million to make 1 billion. So lets say 3 million million is 3 billion. 3 million million divided by 900 million is........ 3333. So in essence, he donated 0.03% of his total net worth.

What the hell is up with that, not only am I ignoring the fact he's donating it back to his own foundations and companies that are self serving, he gives out LESS % wise than the couple of hard working individuals who throw coins and notes into a performers guitar case!!! And that person playing the guitar is not even working for the total strangers that donated to him other than to provide light entertainment.

My line of thinking is that this isn't philanthropy, its way worse, its sinister because people see $billion dollar numbers they think ooo ahhh he's super duper nice. Bugger that, and this is conjecture, but he's probably got a team of specialist economists who would most likely "donate this amount into XYZ, not only are you investing in your own endevours, the amount given in the millions will make the general population think you're doing a great job and see you as a really nice guy" and it seems that many people have fallen for that.

I give my money to people/groups/friends/family which equates to more than the % wise than Rockefeller does, and I am not a philanthropist. G'damn he's pulled the wool over the eyes of the nations. Well played David, well played.

Now do I really need to go into the science and media. Media that is owned = controlled. Science companies like Monsanto that do genetic modification of the food we eat = dangerous. They aren't making healthier food, they're making redder tomatoes, but nutrition wise is crap.

In Australia its ILLEGAL to grow organic tobacco. (Notice I said ILLEGAL, I didn't say its against the law, these are two separate ideologies) Its a statute which is technically a guideline for consensual contracts to be made that organic tobacco cannot be grown - that is what ILLEGAL actually means.

Now why the hell would it be illegal to grow organic tobacco. We HAVE to buy tobacco that is treated with pesticides et al.... Because perhaps they don't think regular lung cancer is working fast enough *sarcasm btw* heheh.

So companies like Monsanto are doing crap.

I need to research this part though, I think I read somewhere that a board member that was on Monsanto now is part of the FDA? Need to verify this..

Ok settled down now *hugs CIAgypsy*

reply to post by Im a Marty


Wow, best thread of the month award goes to Marty.

Awesome, im going to be playing with this tool forever.

reply to post by Im a Marty


Ok i have to apologise - inadvertantly I made the assumption 1 billion was "1 million million" - it actually is 1 thousand million.

So I have to redo the maths. 3 thousand million divided by 900 million. closer to 28 to 30%. Ok thats a fair chunk of the pie, 1/3 of his net worth goes to philanthropy.

bah.

reply to post by Im a Marty


Marty...I absolutely *adore* you....you know it's true.... But I'm afraid you are *vastly* misinformed about the Rockefellers.

Rockefeller family tries to keep wealth from dissipating

Please read through the entire article. Mind you, it was written in 1992 but it is accurate. There's so much to point out from this article... First of all, when it was written (1992), Rockefeller was worth about $5-$10 billion. The Rockefeller fortune has since fallen to about $2.8 billion (David Rockefeller, Sr Net Worth). Pay close attention to the Forbes lists....not the "powerhouse" you would expect for someone supposedly on top of the pyramid, eh? There are many other people who have *way* more wealth and control than Rockefeller.

A few more tidbits I hope you pay attention to from the article...

Currently, family members personally donate about $50 million a year to various causes, while foundations endowed by the family give away about $17o million each year.

In 1934, John D. Rockfeller Jr. established trusts for his daughter and five sons that consisted of oil company stocks and real estate holdings. These trusts still hold the bulk of the fortune. Another set of trusts were set up in 1952 for his grandchildren, the fourth generation of the family. When family members die, their trusts divide into new trusts for their children.

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Most of the Rockefeller money is tied up in various trusts that keep the principal out of the hands of the beneficiaries, who live off the substantial interest. Some of the 1934 trusts, which hold the bulk of the fortune, will end with the death of the fourth generation, and some fifth-generation family members will immediately get possession of huge fortunes.

Marty, I doubt there is anything you could say to make me mad at you. I respect your right to hold your opinion, however misguided I think it may be.

On a side note - have you ever read "Prometheus Rising" by Robert Anton Wilson? There is a chapter in it called "The Thinker and the Prover." I highly recommend you read it, if you haven't already. I read it a long time ago but it kept coming to mind while I was reading your thread... It certainly fits.

Prometheus Rising

Great thread Marty!

Also keep in mind that when you mention the name of someone who is in the "billion" dollar range, there is more to it. This is a person/persons that own more than we know, as it shows in what you presented, many of these corporations and parent/affiliate companies that are ALSO owned by the same person.

Here is an example. Rupert Murdoch.

Murdoch & News Group: Holdings
Holdings

It covers -

book publishing
terrestrial broadcast, cable and satellite
magazines and inserts
film production and distribution
newspapers
sport
radio
technology and multimedia
music
outdoor advertising
other

ketupa.net...

Now the the list is FAR to long to list here, but do you think that he gets one BIG fat check every week?

There are far to many ways to own/operate a business for someone to think that if you are already a billionaire you havent already found away to separate yourself in some way from what you truly, truly own.

Keep up the good work, your going in the right direction, I think the name illuminati is for something much more different than this, but as far as us having overlords and the greedy in the shadows.. well your right on the money!

Peace, NRE.

Ok, so whilst feeling a little flamed about the Rockefeller equation I summised, I decided to get back square one and try to prove the existing of a Cabal - Illuminati 'named' society.

Throughout my research in the last few hours, I came across the name of a person by the name of Zbigniew Brzezinski.

I highly recommend you truth seekers try and verify some of the following information about this man on your own, and come to your own conclusions. CIAgypsy - what do you know of this individual.

Ok to start off I'll start off with the obviousness of what I had summised with the very minimal information I had received, and that this "Zbigniew Brzezinski" is the reason behind the implementation of a 'New World Order' as it is today.

So far the dots point to this one man. This one person has held seats and has been a primary player in the following organisations, and working for some of the individuals below.

Counselor, Center for Strategic and International Studies
Professor of American Foreign Policy, Johns Hopkins University
National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter (1977-81)
Trustee and founder of the Trilateral Commission
International advisor of several major US/Global corporations
Associate of Henry Kissinger
Under Ronald Reagan - member of NSC-Defense Department Commission on Integrated Long-Term Strategy
Under Ronald Reagan - member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
Past member, Board of Directors, The Council on Foreign Relations
1988 - Co-chairman of the Bush National Security Advisory Task Force.

Zbigniew Brzezinski is also a past attendee and presenter at conferences of the Bilderberg Group - a non-partisan affiliation of the wealthiest, most powerful families and corporations on the planet.

Bit of a list there, but what exactly do these roles involve? The best way to find out was to see if this "Zbigniew Brzezinski" has released any form of literature that indicates his agenda or what his vision actually is.

He has written VARIOUS amounts of literature and here's a few.

The Grand Chessboard (1998)
Between two ages (1970)
The choice (2004)
Out of control (1993)
America and the World: Conversations on the Future of American Foreign Policy (2008)

I had a brief look into 'The Grand Chessboard'.

Regarding the landmass of Eurasia as the center of global power, Brzezinski sets out to formulate a Eurasian geostrategy for the United States. In particular, he writes, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger should emerge capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America's global pre-eminence.

Much of his analysis is concerned with geostrategy in Central Asia, focusing on the exercise of power on the Eurasian landmass in a post-Soviet environment. In his chapter dedicated to what he refers to as the "Global Balkans", Brzezinski makes use of Halford J. Mackinder's Heartland Theory.

Wiki

Now I could go on with quotes but I think I've given enough information for some people to investigate further.

Best Regards
Marty