Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Guest101

Yep I've heard some of the interviews with the radar operators before. What I find mainly interesting about it is that they decided against doing anything about it. Just like Halt did little more than stomp around a forest.

I suppose that's interesting but you know what I find even more interesting that few people seem to mention?

What the radar operators describe bears absolutely zero resemblance to anything sighted by the visual eyewitnesses in Rendlesham forest. It's almost a pathetic joke that some of the so-called "radar confirmations" of visual sightings of UFOs are anything but, and this has to rank near the top of the list as a seriously pathetic example where there's no confirmation and no correlation. The eyewitnesses simply did not describe anything like what the radar operators describe, or vice versa. And how do so many people seem to miss this blatantly obvious fact?

Actually the entirely of that Hastings video was very pathetic. He's been researching this for 40 years and yet he didn't produce one single eyewitness who actually saw the UFOs near nuclear silos? Yet he's going on and on about UFOs near nuclear silos as if people really saw them? Carlson was there and he told his son there were no UFOs to which his son has attested. At least in the RFI case, Burroughs and Penniston saw unexplained lights, but I find the allegations of any connection of what they saw with the nuclear storage to not be supported by credible witnesses. Halt saw something else but unfortunately it was in the same general direction and flashed at the same 5 second interval as the lighthouse and I still can't rule out the "beams coming down" aren't artifacts from the starscope or something like that, since his boss Col Conrad was looking for the beams and didn't see any beams.

originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527
a reply to: mirageman

What did they explain or say to us

My translation is as follows: "This is a test to see how gullible you earthlings are. If you believe any of this binary code nonsense from Penniston, you're very gullible".

a reply to: Arbitrageur

So ,your saying he didn't see them he was making it up.I don't believe him either Atleast the one that talked about the glyphs.

I really don't understand how small he described the triangle that's also suspect. Its only suspect to me because my event dealt with a much larger triangle and I don't think by the energy it produced could come close to a human with out harming them...could be 100% wrong.

After my encounter with the 3 triangle lights I my self woke up to binary code's in red for under 4min.

I thought for a very long time that it was an alien virus that jumped out of a computer into my head. I even accused ATS of being a part of it.

This forest incident is the closest explanation that I have as to what happened to me.

The glyphs I believe was transmitted to him the different color lights that he saw, was actually the middle in which in my event was an entire other galaxy or portal.

And how do so many people seem to miss this blatantly obvious fact?

Not everyone misses things .

RADAR operators could have been debriefed and instructed to say virtually anything. It isn't like AFOSI plays nice and invites every active military witness over for tea when all is said and done, especially when people are reporting UFO's over nuclear weapons areas.

Just a little insight in all this from a different angle.

I entered the Air Force in 1980, I later worked with people that were actually at Woodbridge, and one person told me back in like 1987 that something really weird went on. He said that it was really foggy and was part of a large group that went into the forest to search. He saw nothing, but thought the search was extremely out of the ordinary.

One thing he did say was over a period of days strange events happened on base. His own personal experience was that he said planes were moved around and he went out to different planes to not find them were they should have been and found them on different spots that didn't make any sense to him. This is kind of crazy if one is experienced in flight line operations. He said that he would go to the spot where the plane he knew was located to not find it there but had to search around to find it. He didn't talk about aliens or anything just that over a few days everything was really weird.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Yes indeed. Do any of the descriptions of the 'craft' agree? Was it just lights or a craft of unknown origin. Was it basketball sized and orange with lights around it or more blue? Did this phenomenon split into pieces or didn't it?


a reply to: ImmortalLegend527

The glyphs I believe was transmitted to him the different color lights that he saw, was actually the middle in which in my event was an entire other galaxy or portal.

Sorry I don't understand what you mean. Can you rephrase this?

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
RADAR operators could have been debriefed and instructed to say virtually anything. It isn't like AFOSI plays nice and invites every active military witness over for tea when all is said and done, especially when people are reporting UFO's over nuclear weapons areas.

Indeed but why would AFOSI tell them to wait for 25 years+ before going public with their story? The two radar operators did not come forward until the mid 2000s.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Yes indeed. Do any of the descriptions of the 'craft' agree? Was it just lights or a craft of unknown origin. Was it basketball sized and orange with lights around it or more blue? Did this phenomenon split into pieces or didn't it?

They do agree to a certain extent. Below are six descriptions by six different eye witnesses (Burroughs, Battram, Buoen, Barker, Nevels, Halt).

A red and orange oval sphere, with a conical red and orange beam occasionally coming out underneath it. Blinking blue lights would come out together with the beam, as well as a white light in the trees below the beam.

It was surrounded by a ground fog; no distinct shape was visible. It was predominantly a red or reddish-orange hue but had other colors moving around in it. It seemed to be alternating, mostly between oranges, reds, blues, and whites.

A fiery sphere that looked like three handfuls of colored fire that were alternating as if the object was turning. You could tell it was big.

It seemed spherical and had sort of a dim orange-like glow. There seemed to be something across the center of it, lighter-colored shapes. It wasn’t huge, but it seemed bigger than an airplane.

It looked kind of yellowish-orange - like very hot and it looked like it was on fire burning. Every once in a while something shot off that looked like molten metal.

An unusual red, sun-like light -- oval shaped, glowing, with a black center. It appeared to be dripping what looked like molten steel out of a crucible, as if gravity were somehow pulling it down.

White and blue colors were also observed. That’s why an atmospheric plasma may have been involved.
In this picture you see the color of an atmospheric plasma at different energy levels. Lowest energy at top left, highest energy at bottom right.
It is a laser-induced plasma in air, generated by 130 fs (femtosecond) laser-pulses. The frequency and the energy of the pulses is varied.
As the energy or pulse frequency increases you see it going from dull red to orange to yellow to blue to white.

Another unrelated but interesting bit:

The 1958 USAF guidelines to handle UFO’s have been released.
If the 1980 guidelines were similar, interception was only permitted “if appropriate and within the scope of air defense regulations”.
These regulations probably would have involved permission by the MOD.

If you want a good impression of the colors that an atmospheric plasma can have, simply google images of ‘aurora borealis’ or more specifically: ‘aurora borealis red’. The aurora borealis is an atmospheric plasma caused by particles that are drawn into the atmosphere at high speed by the Earth’s magnetic field.

An object emitting radiation and having a strong electromagnetic field may cause the formation of a plasma sheath around it. This plasma sheath also acts as a ‘cloak’ that makes what’s inside almost invisible.

originally posted by: Guest101

This plasma sheath also acts as a ‘cloak’ that makes what’s inside almost invisible.

Can you provide some links or citations to this occurring in atmospheric phenomena please?

a reply to: Jukiodone

Sure.

One of the first scientists who attributed the typical UFO glow to an atmospheric plasma was James M. McCampbell (1973):
www.nicap.org...

Very common descriptions such as "surrounded with a red glow" (10) and "wrapped in a blue haze" (11) clearly indicate that the source of UFO luminosity is not the object itself but the proximate air.
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The maser principle, however, may well prove to be the mechanism by which UFOs transfer energy to the atmosphere, namely, by electromagnetic energy of radio frequency or higher.

I also highly recommend Paul R. Hill's book: Unconventional Flying Objects - A Scientific Analysis.
If you google a bit you may find a downloadable pdf of the book, but it can also still be ordered at many book sites.
His hypothesis is that UFO’s can generate a field that acts on mass (gravity is an example of such field).
The UFO field, however, would repel mass instead of attracting it.
An interesting excerpt can be found here:
www.stealthskater.com...

There is really no secret as to what this illuminated and illuminating sheath of atmosphere around the UFO is. It is a sheath of ionized and excited air molecules often called a plasma. It has all the many characteristics of ionized and excited air molecules and has no characteristics not attributable to ionized and excited air molecules with expected contaminants. Thus, the illumination is tied to an air plasma. I am not suggesting anything original as it has been suggested by many that such is the case.
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The phenomenon of ionized and excited atmospheric molecules around a UFO also ties together a number of related mysteries about the UFO. It accounts for the general nighttime appearance of the UFO: the many observed colors; the fiery, neon-like look; the self-illuminating character; the fuzzy, indefinite, or even indiscernible outline yet an appearance of solidity behind the light. It also accounts for the general lack of heat radiation despite the fact that they sometimes look fiery or even like a flaming ball of fire and even the ultraviolet burns sometimes received by close viewers of UFOs with a blue plasma.
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While there remain many unknown details about the quantum mechanics and spectral behavior of the plasma sheath, there is really only one important secret and that is the exact nature of its cause. Several possibilities enter the arena and these will be reviewed later when we narrow the cause down to a power-plant-connected, ionizing, wave-type radiation from the UFO.

There are other scientific speculations about UFO propulsion, such as this one which speculates that UFO’s generate a plasma and then use a magnetic field to repel the plasma, causing a reaction force on the UFO:
www.cobeps.org...

The luminosity, which was often seen to surround UFOs, sugested that they ionize the ambiant air. They could thus exert forces on the resulting charged particles by means of adequate EM fields. Actually, the intensity and color of the surrounding luminsity was sometimes seen to depend on the state of motion or to pulsate. We had thus to explore possible effects of pulsed ionization and low frequency EM fields.

a reply to: Guest101

Are you edging toward the findings of a certain British scientist who we've discussed here and a number of times in the thread? I won't mention him by name as he gets rather grumpy when his name is linked with the incident.

The plasma theory was also championed in the Condign Report.

There is also Project Hessdalen to consider. Which is a study of what may be a plasma like phenomena in a Norwegian valley. See free pdf HESSDALEN: a perfect “natural battery (pdf)


Pic source : www.highpants.net...

Or do you suspect something more than 'natural' atmospheric plasma was involved?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Guest101

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Or do you suspect something more than 'natural' atmospheric plasma was involved?

That depends a lot on who or what made those landing marks … Was something solid hiding underneath the alleged plasma, or not? We cannot even be sure it was a plasma at all.

I once was convinced that Penniston and Burroughs witnessed a solid craft, until I found out that Burroughs only saw a strange constellation of lights and Penniston was lifting coordinates from the internet…

The RFI does match the work and predictions made by Paul R. Hill very well. His book was published before the RFI and he uses physical equations to back up his hypotheses.

Even the strange mist that surrounded the lights, as witnessed by Battram, is predicted by Hill as a result of the cooling effect in the atmosphere around a UFO. In section XIV, subsection C, he writes:

The atmosphere around a UFO under the influence of a continuous force field with an approximate inverse first power energy distribution has strange yet simple properties.
[…]
It follows at once that a breeze can move air into and out of the zone without appreciable impedance, and the refrigerator is at work! It is the adiabatic expansion to low temperature of the air going into the zone that is responsible, just as it is the adiabatic expansion of the Freon going into the freezing coils of a refrigerator that is responsible there.

This air pressure drop around a UFO causes a cooling effect but it may also hinder the propagation of sound, causing a strange silence…

But maybe the Rendlesham area is akin to the Hessdalen area and natural phenomena caused the strange lights. Who knows? Just like Hessdalen, Rendlesham seems to be an area with a history of mysterious events.

Penniston was lifting coordinates from the internet…

Guest 101. There may well be evidence of the co-ordinates
coming from Sacred-Destinations.

But, is there actual evidence that Jim himself actually did that?

Just curious.

a reply to: Guest101

Not seeing anything there that says Plasma can optically cloak things...

Plasma as a "stealth" technology exists but is used for absorbing (or reflecting) RF waves to reduce aircraft RCS.

Plasma is visible so you could crank it up until you couldn't see what was inside the plasma sheath- but you'd almost certainly still see the plasma emissions as a glow.....

Saying that, a lot of the stuff involving surface plasmons and metamaterials seems to be linked to optical stealth so maybe I am under appreciating what plasma can do if tuned correctly.....

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

Penniston was lifting coordinates from the internet…

Guest 101. There may well be evidence of the co-ordinates
coming from Sacred-Destinations.

But, is there actual evidence that Jim himself actually did that?

Just curious.

Jim has tried to convince all of us that he is the source of the binary codes so I see no reason to believe otherwise. Do you?

originally posted by: Jukiodone
a reply to: Guest101

Not seeing anything there that says Plasma can optically cloak things...

Paul R. Hill:

there is a critical distance of a few feet of plasma that will absorb the passing light. In other words, beyond a few feet of thickness a plasma is essentially opaque to light of its own emission frequencies.
At night, when the witness must see the UFO by its own light, it follows that if the plasma is fully developed (saturated with ions) the plasma can completely obscure the UFO, for the critical distance is small. In the more general case where the UFO is operating at a lower radiation, the witness can see the UFO surface directly ahead, looking normal [straight] to the surface through the least amount of plasma. The light reflected from that surface reaches his eye. But when he looks for the outline, he must look obliquely through a greater thickness of plasma. The light from the edge will be partly or all absorbed, making the edge indistinct or invisible.

So yes, the plasma itself is highly visible but it can obscure an object that’s inside because it absorbs and scatters the light reflecting from the object's surface. This is a side-effect, not the main purpose of the plasma. Paul R. Hill explains that the plasma itself is just a side-effect of the propulsion system he proposes.

This picture gives an impression.

Jim has tried to convince all of us that he is the source of the binary codes so I see no reason to believe otherwise. Do you?

Those are his claims yes.

Perhaps the book will explain it.

The one we are still waiting for.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

There may well be evidence of the co-ordinates coming from Sacred-Destinations. But, is there actual evidence that Jim himself actually did that?

There are various scenarios that are possible with the binary codes.

1) Jim really did receive a binary code download back in 1980 from a craft of unknown origin.
2) Someone else planted this whole story in Jim's mind to make him believe this was the case.
3) Jim has created the whole episode for his own motives.

The only evidence we have for 1 is Jim's telling of the story some 30 years after the events. While two other witnesses statement do not match his story.

The evidence we have for 2 is Jim's telling of the story in the 1990s. Halt more recently claimed that his men were drugged but he only knew about this at a later date. Whether that's entirely true I don't know? It seems Bustinza first claimed this but Penniston's story is also a stand alone account.

So we come to option 3. We have evidence that those binary code co-ordinates came from a website. Jim's behaviour revealing his story is suspicious to say the least and when he tried to explain at the 2010 Woodbridge Conference and to Angelia Joiner he sounded inconsistent somewhat . In fact he has done ever since he decided to run with each inflation of his story.


If it went to a court of law Jim's testimony would fall apart.


Above : Mr. Occam deciding on a shaving product.

So we come to option 3. We have evidence that those binary code co-ordinates came from a website. Jim's behaviour revealing his story is suspicious to say the least and when he tried to explain at the 2010 Woodbridge Conference and to Angelia Joiner he sounded inconsistent and somewhat . In fact he has done ever since he decided to run with each inflation of his story.

Lets hope there shall be an explanation for ALL of it.

So, if the co-ordinates came from Sacred-Destinations.

Then there was no craft.......