9/11: "Incontrovertible evidence" that the Saudi Government helped the hijackers

reply to post by havok


Criticism noted and you most certainly have the right to call me out on those statements. Perhaps I do at times get frustrated with the never ending self intentional, deleterious statements about the Kingdom in general and more specifically Islam.

The whole issue of the Royal Family perhaps, unintentionally, having some linkage to those who helped the hijackers must be presented with the fact that there are over 2000 Princes in the Kingdom, the majority are incredibly wealthy, finance Mosques that preach radical interpretations of the Koran and don't adhere to the principals of justice as it is enforced in the west. Too often, persons uncaring of the right of cultures to enforce their laws as they see fit, criticize these cultures just because they are radically different from America.

So we can find common ground on the fact that so many here and elsewhere view of the world is restricted to what they can watch on you tube and read on Google. Those limits present viewpoints that are unflattering to any country in which English is not the dominate spoken word-and western lifestyle is always presented as the only way a Man, woman and child should live. You know I am right about that. Google and more ominous Wikipedia are notoriously one sided in all matters of history-and modern cultures and that side is always...always leaning towards America and western culture. It can be frustrating and one of the reasons of the clash of cultures in the West and Middle East.

The radicalization of Islam, in which all heretics must die, is no easier explained than Jim Jones who once threw a bible out the window and told his followers to tear it to pieces because it's all lies, he was the savior! They followed, they went with him, and they died for him.

If people could be more astute to the realism of the world, and not view others as evil just because they are different, which masks it's self behind the absurdity of political correctness in America, then perhaps I would not be prompted to make statements as I did in my previous post.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


It just goes to show we're not always right...i'd have put real money on this being a set up to lay the blame at Syria's feet, since the chemical weapons ruse (s) didn't work out as planned.

It worked on Afghanistan using 9/11, even Iraq to some extent, it would work on Syria as an accomplice too.

R_Clark
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

Wow! a mainstream tabloid finally agrees with ATS 10 years later... It is a sad statement that it takes this long.... We finally find out that the Saudis did have a part in it...

Maybe, this does this have a small relation to the Saudis breaking away from US real politik on Syria/ Iran?

edit on 16-12-2013 by R_Clark because: Grammar

And the Israelis?

The Times has reported that Saudi Arabia has tested the ability to stand down their air defenses to allow an Israeli strike on Iran to pass through their airspace.[4] Both nations have denied this.[5][6]

After the Arab Spring, Israel views the Saudi government as "guarantor of stability", according to the New York Times. In 2011, Israel approved a German sale of 200 Leopard tanks to Saudi Arabia.[7] The approval came from Uzi Arad, the national security advisor to Benjamin Netanyahu.[8]

en.wikipedia.org...

I still say this has Israel's fingerprints all over it, Classic Mossad. There seems to be a bit of cosying up between Israel and KSA, particularly of late, so maybe it was a joint effort?

Either way, it will be very interesting to see if the Bill gets passed. Personally, I can't see it happening, but would love to be proved wrong.

reply to post by spooky24

In the Kingdom, as precept to Islamic law, one can be beheaded for simply lying about anything.

And yet their leaders lie all the time.

reply to post by havok

Again, quite the generalized statement. I neither use or condone the use of said search engine. More likely, I read a good amount of books to acquire my knowledge as it seems Google isn't the best source of information or knowledge. So...want to try again, bub?

Star for you, I agree with all you said except I have to say this...is not completely reasonable, as I have read thousands of books and I can find pretty much anything contained in any of them with an online search. Knowledge is there so it is silly for it to be dismissed as useless in my humble opinion.

colddeadhands
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

I don't know if we will ever know all of the details of 9/11 but I am certain that Bush had knowledge of if not a hand in it before and after it happened.

How else would he get a chance to be a war hero like daddy?

So didn't the Israeli's who were filming and dancing in the streets. I believe it was Israel behind it, with the help of their Saudi puppets, and Zionists like Bush. My opinion and nothing more.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


I think it is customary for President of the United States to carry out the pledges of thier predicessors.
If this be true, is it not our current President's duty to invade Saudi Arabia? Or atleast demand the Royal family turn over those who were involved; regardless of their station or status.
After all George W Bush himself said, "We will bring those responsible for this to justice".
Of course, I know this will not happen. But it is just one more example of how much our government itself was involved in 911.

Good thread _Bonez_, S&F. I hope this gains speed and exposes these jokers for what they are. Then, I hope the American people can rally to end this type of corruption which has been rapidly running our country into the ground for decades. I don't live in NY, so I can't say much for the credibility of the NYP, but I will say this is not at all that hard to believe and shouldn't be hard for others either. Many have suspected it for a looooong time.

I'm not as studied on 9/11 as you are, but weren't almost ALL of the hijackers from Saudi Arabia minus like...3 or so? Gee, wonder why we went into Afghanistan and Iraq? This isn't rocket science...

Most 9/11 researchers, and those who pay attention to political events, know about the Bush family connection to the Saudi's

One giant arse flaw in that so called logic.

The simple historical facts of the middle east. Over 2000 years of radical Islam. The never ending war between Sunni and Shia Islam.

The Saudi's as in Saudi Arabia have been at it long before the Bush family was ever born.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


The patsy hijackers were needed for the op, so a favor was called in from Saudi Arabia who's kingdom is indebted to the USA and thus who were more than willing to comply. The 1st hijacker had already arrived when Cheney was putting the finishing touches on the new national policy (Project for a new American Century - "Rebuilding Americas Defences - Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" containing the now infamous quote about the necessity for "a new Pearl Harbor") surrounding the "catastrophic and catalyzing (terrorist) event" originally conceived and imagined by Philip Zelikow (and co.) 3 years prior to "the Big Wedding".

PNAC Document (full text - pdf)
www.informationclearinghouse.info...


Edit to add: It should be noted that Robert Gates, who succeeded Donald Rumsfeld as Sec Def, was also on Zelikow's think tank, back in '98.

Catastrophic Terrorism: Elements of a National Policy

by Philip D. Zelikow, December 1998

www.hks.harvard.edu...

Participants

Graham T. Allison, Jr.

Zoe Baird

Vic DeMarines

Robert Gates

Jamie Gorelick (ended up on the 9/11 Commission)

Robert Hermann

Philip Heyman

Fred Ikle

Elaine Kamarck

Ernest May

Matthew Meselson

Joseph S. Nye, Jr.

William J. Perry

Larry Potts

Fred Schauer

J. Terry Scott

Jack Sheehan

Malcom Sparrow

Herbert Winokur

Robert Zoellick

A list of PNAC's Project Directors, Staff and Signatories, can be found in the wikipedia article.

en.wikipedia.org...

Absolute incontrovertible proof that 9/11 was an inside job, and a highly sophisticated and complex operation (and an elaborate, murderous "hoax" or global psy-op), can be found no pages 27 and 28, of the article linked in my signature, below.

NAM

"That which hurts, instructs."
~ Benjamin Franklin

reply to post by Rosinitiate


Is this what you're looking for ????

REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES - Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century

which has the following snippet from a newspaper article. the report "Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century" follows the newspaper article...

[Excerpt]

[Scottish] Sunday Herald - 15 September 2002

Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

By Neil Mackay

A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

As an American, I say we respond to this act of war with invasion and conquest! Enslave the nation like back in the good old days of world warfare, and have them build us some..., I dunno, pyramids or something!

The whole world loves to talk about us invading countries for oil, lets actually friggin pillage some oil this time!

/'murica

Ok as a rational person I say we look at it from the angle that the Saudi's were doing some dirty work for Bush, and we should seek out the individuals responsible and hold them solely accountable, including the former president if he was involved. And if it turns out the Saudi's as a state were responsible, send the drones!

Sorry, I think some more 'murica snuck in there at the end.

That other forum full of shills just banned me for saying this .....


I said did the Saudis plant the bombs in the buildings then? because the planes barely made the buildings move a ft let alone collapse

#built to withstand mag 9 earthquakes but not 300 degree office fires
((and that's being overly generous on the temp))

reply to post by _BoneZ_


When there was an order that all planes were to be grounded, yet Bush allowed the Saudis to board a flight back home is a red flag in my book. What normal criminal investigation would allow possible suspects to take flight until a complete investigation of any possible connections to a crime. Considering the hijackers were Saudi nationals, that alone should have resulted in all Saudis being banned from leaving the country.

Lets not mention how quick the debris from the fallen towers were quickly hauled away. That goes against the basic guidelines of not removing possible evidence in any legitimate criminal investigation.

There are red flags all over the 9/11 incident.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


I think, this is another made-up theory from nypost in order "to cover to forget" the real conspiracy facts behind 9/11.

Here's an interesting information:

“A Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Al-Omari says he informed police of the theft.” – ABCNews

Read more: The FBI’s Blunder: 9/11 Hijack Suspects Alive and Well

Over 1700 architects & engineers are leading the way at AE911TRUTH, with dozens of additional professionals joining them in this documentary to put their careers on the line in their demand for a new independent investigation. High-rise architects, structural engineers, scientists, physicists, chemists, scholars, educators, firefighters, forensic fire engineers, demolition experts and others have put together a ground-breaking scientific assessment of the events at the World Trade Center. The sudden, complete collapse of the third skyscraper on 9/11, WTC Building 7 at 5:20pm, is now being seen around the world as “the smoking gun” which disproves the official story about 9/11. These experts also introduce additional “overwhelming evidence” for a controlled demolition hypothesis at WTC which is disturbing to say the least.

Read more: 9/11 Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out

reply to post by mekhanics


The dramatic event at NYC was a precursor to attack on Iraq - a state that was no way connected to WTC attack.

The war on Iraq itself is the smoking gun.

It is clear that somebody wanted to manufacture a reason.

reply to post by ipsedixit


You mentioned that after 9-11, all the MSM news outlets were beating the drums for war. I think this is the last time they may be able to do that;

The internet is electronic telepathy. We can pass information around the world faster than they can manufacture consent.

This may be our only hope, moving faster than the dinosaur media and the dinosaur (but massively large) governments.

As far as the OP, I've always felt the so-called hijackers were patsies. I think they got on those planes (if they got on those planes) to have the flight manifests have Middle Eastern names on them, and were paid very well to do it. They weren't committing suicide as far as they were concerned, they were on some other kind of mission.

As far as I've been able to fathom out, the planes were taken over by remote control and the pilots didn't have a chance to either radio for help or take control back. If you can remote control a plane, why leave it to the fates of inexperienced hijackers, several of which weren't even properly identified and are still alive in any event? It also makes it real easy to crash that plane in Pennsylvania, once you realize that the passengers have figured out the plane is under remote control

And I also think the Bush Crime Family knew that the US citizens wouldn't make a distinction between Saudis and Iraqis. To most of them, a 'raghead is a raghead'; that's the mentality that I hear out there. It seems amazing that they've been getting their oil for their beloved cars for 100 years from the 'ragheads' and not pushing for domestic oil usage, only, no matter the national sacrifice. Of course, the hippies advocated that a long time ago, but that's tree-hugging talk.

This doesn't surprise me at all. The Saudi's like their money but they think we are the big evil Satan. Most of the Hijackers were Saudi nationals. They are fundamentalists and sponsor terrorists all over the world. Nothing new with that news. Sad.

So, say this is all true and people/organizations/governments/etc. are exposed, do you anticipate change coming or does it kinda worry you what these psychos are capable of so much more (to protect their own butts)... Heck, they took down 3 buildings, crashed 4 planes, killed thousands of US citizens, killed many more once the war began, there is no telling what the limits are for these people. They are willing to do whatever it takes and go to crazy extremes. Its just scary to think what the next 'terrorism' attack will be, and I'm not talking about the radicals Muslims, I'm talking about the world elite who control everything, from banking, commerce, wars, media, etc........

15 of the 19 alleged hijackers were Saudi, so it makes perfect sense that we would attack Iraq and Afghanistan...... Rolling eyes...