The Exodus Telltale

why else does he encourage men to create religions where they prey on the weakest members of their societies, like women and children. where it takes 5 eyewitnesses to prove you've been raped. where the rape of a woman is more often than not, blamed on the woman who is then executed. where tossing a female baby up in the air and catching her on the end of your sword is good. where female babies are considered maggots in the rice. where a female's womb was considered an animal inside an animal, that was ravenous and stole a man's life force during copulation. where a modern society like china has been singularly responsible for the genocide of so many female fetuses and infants, that the numbers killed so far, exceed the entire female population of the united states. where gentile females are referred to as cows. and kaffir females are called whores. i could go on and on. pagan, abrahamic, even atheist, it always targets the unborn, babies and females and especially, female babies.

no thing on earth, could convince that many people to be hating on their baby makers (women) and their offspring (children. mollech would be jealous of our abortion industry). it has to be supernatural. i'm sorry but nothing else makes sense. it's like mass brain washing. if this is his planet still, that explains it all. enlil still owns the place. he ain't been kicked out yet. so in the meantime, the slaughter continues.

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Guess they had flood gates in Jordan just as they had in the Nile. Like I said, all of Egypt was green and fertile back in the time of Moses. The reason for this was an elaborate system of dams, canals, sluises and water basins.

And nowhere in the OT is the Red Sea mentioned. 'The Sea of Reeds' however is (though mistranslated Red Sea many places), and like I said, it's a game of words, playing on 'The Field of Reeds' the Egyptian name for Paradise. We are not talking about a mere marsh, but a regulated lake. To the left and right of Moses &al were 'joined walls', i.e. 'brick walls' or even 'hinged walls' is a possible translation. 'Yam sup' means lit. 'Sea of Reeds'. 'Soof' or 'sup' translates into 'Reed'. Tradition and presedence in translation has brought in the Red Sea, but it is not a correct translation. It should read 'Sea of Reeds'. See: www.biblestudytools.com...

Exodus never happened

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Utnapisjtim
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Guess they had flood gates in Jordan just as they had in the Nile. Like I said, all of Egypt was green and fertile back in the time of Moses. The reason for this was an elaborate system of dams, canals, sluises and water basins.

And nowhere in the OT is the Red Sea mentioned. 'The Sea of Reeds' however is (though mistranslated Red Sea many places), and like I said, it's a game of words, playing on 'The Field of Reeds' the Egyptian name for Paradise. We are not talking about a mere marsh, but a regulated lake. To the left and right of Moses &al were 'joined walls', i.e. 'brick walls' or even 'hinged walls' is a possible translation. 'Yam sup' means lit. 'Sea of Reeds'. 'Soof' or 'sup' translates into 'Reed'. Tradition and presedence in translation has brought in the Red Sea, but it is not a correct translation. It should read 'Sea of Reeds'. See: www.biblestudytools.com...

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'Yam' can be translated sea, lake, wide river. Basically a body of water.

'Suph' can be translated reed, weed, flag, or red (associated with certain reeds or weeds).

So, yes, yam suph can be translated lake of reeds in the right context. In this case, the context indicates the Sea of Seaweed, later to be called the Red Sea, after the people of Edom (meaning red). This is confirmed by 1Kings 9:26. Solomon built ships off the cost of the Yam Sup (Red Sea). This is the same Red Sea off the coast of Edom. This is confirmed throughout the Old and New Testament, and of course, the LXX as previously mentioned. Even the Apocrypha identifies the Yam Suph as the Red Sea.

The notion that the Yam Suph of the Exodus account referes to some lake or fresh water resovior, is a relatively new idea. The ancient world knew that Yam Suph was the Sea of Seaweed, or the Red Sea.

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Another great thread by Utnapisjtim. I pretty much read all your threads on these kind of topics. They are my main interest as well. So , please keep them coming. I love to read your interpretations on those ancient myths and this one about the Exodus is new to me and could of course be the way it happened.

The “splitting of the sea” myth from Exodus has always been one of the myths I have had great difficulties to explain myself, but having studied the entire Exodus event for quite some time I taught I would give my own take on it all. However. Before I do that, we need to dive into some other related historical events first.

The 400 year period

The deal with the Jews was that they had to live in Egypt for 400 years before they were allowed to leave. It would take too long to explain the entire history about this deal here, but in short we can conclude that the total amount of years that the Jews was staying in Egypt was only 210 years. Why was this? And what happened? The thing is that the “god” of Israel eventually and “symbolically” broke the treaty, when he got several reports about how bad the Egyptian treated the Jews. He defended his action for doing so by claiming that the years in exile should be counted from the year when Isaac was born and not how long the jews actually was sojourning in Egypt. We can still read in the “Legends of the Jews” how this dispute was argued in the heavenly court by the tutelary angel of Israel (Michael which real name was Israel) and the tutelary angel of Egypt (Uzza). It’s verdict was that they concluded with giving Israel the heads up.

The Exodus took place 792 years after the great flood. Isaac was born 392 year after the great flood. As you can see, this is exactly 400 years. So why did the alien ‘god’ of Israel start counting from the birth of Isaac? He did this because Isaac was the first Jew that was born. Many people like to think that it was Abram that was the father of the Jews. This is wrong, because Sarai was sterile and couldn’t have children by her own. That’s why the aliens used artificial insemination to get Isaac born. Isaac was thus probably an 100% alien child. A child of the ‘gods’ of Isreal. That’s why this ‘god’ always from thereon referred to the Jews as ‘my children’. They are their alien forefathers. Sarai was just a tool, and Abram became friends with the god of Israel , and thus they were also renamed Abraham and Sarah. Abram and Sarai were originally Sumerians like all the antediluvian patriarchs from the Sethite line. The Jewish race (starting with Isaac) was born some 50 years after the division of Earth happened. This Exile, the exodus and the war that followed came as a result of some bad decisions that were made during this division. This is however another lengthy story and would take too long to get into now.

So how many were they?

Christian scholars believe that a total number of about 2,5 million people left Egypt when the Exodus took place. This have to be wrong somehow. So let’s do some rough math. When the Jews went down to Egypt they counted 70 persons (first generation). Now 210 years are 7 generations, but because the average life spans at that time was about 120 years, this should be considered also. Let’s assume that every married couple got 10 children each (which probably are way too much). When I did the math, I found that this could result in close to 1.365.000 people. My math has however never been the best, so please recalculate yourself if you want.

One year and two weeks after the Exodus a census was taken. Thus every mail from the age of 20 (fit for war) and above were counted. The total number that came up was (Judah 74600 , Dan 62700 , Simeon 59300 , Zebulun 57400 , Issachar 54400 , Naphtali 53400 , Reuben 46500 , Gad 45650 , Asher 41500 , Ephraim 40500 , Benjamin 35400 , Menasseh 32200) = 603550.

Knowing this. Let us again do some math : Number of men above 20 fit for war ( about 600000) , Number of woman above 20 (Lets assume 600000) , From the tribe of Levi (lets assume this number was 40000) , Number of children below 20 (lets assume 600000), Number of Elderly (Lets assume 200000) , Mixed multitude (lets assume 400000) = This gives a total of 2,8 million people.

conclusion. If the seventh generation Jews that left Egypt managed to get 10 children each (as calculated above), they would count about 1.365.000. If we add the number of mixed multitude , we will get about 1,8 million people. There will thus still miss about 1 million people. Something is obviously wrong. Either the 210 years in exile is wrong, or the number from the census in the Bible is wrong.

The mixed multitude

From the legends of the Jews we can read that it was Moses that insisted that the Jews allowed a mixed multitude of non-jews to join them. The ‘god’ of Israel strongly advised against this, but it seemed like Moses eventually got his ways. Those who have read the legends of the Jews will know that this decision eventually led to a series of conflicts later on. However. This was the reasons that Moses wanted this mixed multitude to join them? The Jews alone, were too few, according to Moses. Moses worried about this (and the upcoming war) because the god of Israel (and his fleet) only insisted that they would assist the Jews in the war by giving them air support, and not participate with soldiers on the ground. They also refused to give Moses alien weapons. This angered Moses greatly.

The war

In the war that arose in the aftermath of the exodus we learn that it was not only the Egyptian army that went to war against Israel and the Gods of Israel, because in the legends of the Jews we also learn that Rahab (The angel of the sea) as an ally of the Egyptian was defeated. Rahab is probably better known as (the Greek Poseidon). This is an interesting piece of information, because we thus must assume that Rahab as the angel of the sea, had forces that covered the jews escape through the sea. This leads me to conclude that the evacuation of the jews over the red sea didn’t happen during the war, but actually happened in the weeks that followed the war. This makes sense, since it would take weeks to evacuate such a great number of people.

The rest follows in next post

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Explanation of the cleaving of the sea myth

All this being said. We now have to explain the myth. I think we all can agree that sea cannot be cleaved the way the Bible myth claims. It’s impossible even for advanced aliens with all kind of technology to do this. But what happened? How did all these people cross the Red sea? In my view they were all evacuated over to the other side of the Red sea by a fleet of large speed boats. Think about it. Have you ever seen what speed boats do to the sea when they speed forward rapidly? Yes. They cleave the sea on both sides. So. This is pretty much the simple explanation. The myths that arose in the aftermath of these great events has definitely exaggerated the entire event quite a bit , or they found that this kind of way to explain it all was easier than to explain some technologically advance motor driven speed boats that was not supposed to be there (yet)?

The stick of Moses

But as we conclude, we don’t want to leave out the stick of Moses. This was the stick that Moses used to cleave the Red sea. It was after all a central piece in the myth as well. If one takes the time to read the legends of the jews, one will find out that Moses was equipped with some hand held alien communication device. He was using this device to synchronize the evacuation of the Jews with the aliens. I think the myth and this stick must be related to this communication device. Thus we must assume that Moses didn’t succeed in communicating with the aliens at first . Once he got the chance to discuss this problem with the aliens, he was told that he had to pull out the antenna and point it out over the sea. This way he would be able to communicate with the aliens and give them the instructions they needed during the evacuation.

Anyway. That’s how I have interpreted it all.

BELIEVERpriest

Utnapisjtim
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Guess they had flood gates in Jordan just as they had in the Nile. Like I said, all of Egypt was green and fertile back in the time of Moses. The reason for this was an elaborate system of dams, canals, sluises and water basins.

And nowhere in the OT is the Red Sea mentioned. 'The Sea of Reeds' however is (though mistranslated Red Sea many places), and like I said, it's a game of words, playing on 'The Field of Reeds' the Egyptian name for Paradise. We are not talking about a mere marsh, but a regulated lake. To the left and right of Moses &al were 'joined walls', i.e. 'brick walls' or even 'hinged walls' is a possible translation. 'Yam sup' means lit. 'Sea of Reeds'. 'Soof' or 'sup' translates into 'Reed'. Tradition and presedence in translation has brought in the Red Sea, but it is not a correct translation. It should read 'Sea of Reeds'. See: www.biblestudytools.com...

edit on 9-12-2013 by Utnapisjtim because: Clearing up+typos

edit on 9-12-2013 by Utnapisjtim because: Deleted last sentence

'Yam' can be translated sea, lake, wide river. Basically a body of water.

'Suph' can be translated reed, weed, flag, or red (associated with certain reeds or weeds).

Well, it can be translated Red, since King James &al said so. It does not mean red, but reed or sea weed. The reason the biblical dictionary says Red, is that in combination with Suf, and with the faulty interpretation in KJV and elsewhere it is interpreted red. Back then the Red Sea wasn't even called the Red Sea.

So, yes, yam suph can be translated lake of reeds in the right context. In this case, the context indicates the Sea of Seaweed, later to be called the Red Sea, after the people of Edom (meaning red). This is confirmed by 1Kings 9:26. Solomon built ships off the cost of the Yam Sup (Red Sea). This is the same Red Sea off the coast of Edom. This is confirmed throughout the Old and New Testament, and of course, the LXX as previously mentioned. Even the Apocrypha identifies the Yam Suph as the Red Sea.

Adam also means red. Edom Adam, probably same word. However the usual word for red color in Hebrew is Shashar. The mistake possibly originates in the LXX, which is a Greek translation.

The notion that the Yam Suph of the Exodus account referes to some lake or fresh water resovior, is a relatively new idea. The ancient world knew that Yam Suph was the Sea of Seaweed, or the Red Sea.

Possibly, but unlikely. Yom Suf was interpreted the Red Sea since bible scholars believed it was the Red Sea they crossed, not because it is the name of the place. A typical linguistic anachronism. It is one of those mistakes that builds up over time making the KJV a bad translation alltogether. It also translates the head of the Zohar, Hillel, into Lucifer and he calls Seraphim beasts and so on. It's full of anachronisms and faulty interpretations.

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Well lets get back to your original postulations to explain an alternative to the Exodus. Well they are not very well thought out. I can't believe you would make a case based on these ideas until reading over the entire thread it become clear this is just a troll thread. Makes some poor counter theories, lure folks in to talk about them, then start bashing the KJV and calling folks that don't go in with you believers in "Santa" ect.

Utnapisjtim
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Guess they had flood gates in Jordan just as they had in the Nile. Like I said, all of Egypt was green and fertile back in the time of Moses. The reason for this was an elaborate system of dams, canals, sluises and water basins.

You guess? They didn't dam up the Nile or the Jordan.

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This thread has more holes than the 9/11 Commission Report.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Interesting.... i was thinking the exact same thing about 3 days ago.

Are there any complete threads or documentaries relating to this exact theory?

Is it too close to the ball to be made mainstream?

Logarock
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Well lets get back to your original postulations to explain an alternative to the Exodus. Well they are not very well thought out. I can't believe you would make a case based on these ideas until reading over the entire thread it become clear this is just a troll thread. Makes some poor counter theories, lure folks in to talk about them, then start bashing the KJV and calling folks that don't go in with you believers in "Santa" ect.

No trolls here except perhaps for yourself. That said, there are many examples of ancient dams and elaborate irrigation systems along the Nile and other rivers around the world. One such dam regulating the river Nile was in operation for 3600 years, or from 1800 BC to 1800 AD, and what do you know? The oldest manmade dam found was used to regulate river Jordan, built around 3000 BC. The source is a book called "Build a better mousetrap" by Ruth Kassinger. I'd say it's plausible that the reasons for the water standing like walls to their left and right, was that it was a constructed wall. I don't buy Moses blaming God for his genocides. That one's OLD. Same with Santa.

to the person that thinks the israelites stole the ark of the covenant, i would wholeheartedly disagree. but i do think the king's sarcophagus in the great pyramid did contain an ark. that means there's probably more than one of them out there. the temple and its furnishings are based in part on egyptian architecture and funerary items. i don't think they actually left on as bad of a note as some think. yes, they left, and yes it appeared to be on bad terms, but i really don't think it was at the top. i think the pharaoh kept in touch with the levites and other power brokers of the time, in israel and that that connection was never actually severed. it went underground, so to speak. a large percentage of them were intermarried with egyptians, even the royal households, so i don't think they cut off their egyptian kin, i honestly don't.

if there's one thing i learned from history, it's that leaders of nations are usually on each other's side before their own people. it's almost like an exclusive club and they manipulate their own people to think something is bad/good/whatever based on their own desires to change the socio-political and financial landscapes of their countries, without being personally held responsible for the attacks.

in effect, the royals of the planet are probably all kin since the beginning, and they view us as their little marionettes

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I also believe he stole the arc of the covenant and that it is part of the secret to lifting heavy monoliths. I like James Colmers theory of missing chambers in the pyramid of Giza. He believes that there were two arcs. Embedded in the link is his idea for how the pyramid worked.

James Colmer Missing Pyramid Chambers.

The body of The Pharaoh of Moses , had been found in 1898. Dr Maurice Bucaille discovered that this body is 3000 years old.

The last minute conversion of the arrogant Pharaoh who persecuted Israelite believers was not accepted. The most amazing thing with this dead body is that it is not a mummy. Scientists say that this dead body is amazingly preserved without any mummification; no inside organs have been removed. So what is the secret of such good preservation of this body? See the answer in the Glorious Quran where Allah Almighty says that Pharaohs body will be preserved as a warning for generations. It means his body will not decay. ‘Today We will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you.’ (Quran 10: 92) Dr Maurice Bucaille was one of the top scientists of the world and the head of a group of physicians concerned on doing researches of the body in France in 1981. Ramses II was really old, perhaps was in his early 90’s when he died. He discovered traces of salt in the mummy’s respiratory system and concluded that most probably he died of drowning. Other examinations showed that Pharaoh’s body did not remain in the water for too long after drowning. After it was verified that the mummy in fact was the Pharaoh who rejected the message of Moses, the body was flown to major cities of the world for people to see. Later Dr Bucaille began working on Ramses II’s son Merneptah who probably was another witness to the deeds of Moses.

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Utnapisjtim

undo
op, may i ask why you have the noah guy as your avatar?
oh, lookie there, noAH. isn't that interesting. there's a reason i'm asking, so your answer would be useful to this conversation

Yes, and my "name" here is the oldest known name of the Sumerian proto-Noah, or Utnapishtim, you can read about in the Epic of Gilgamesh. In Norse mythology we call him Heimdall, son of nine mothers (nine maternal generations between Adam and Noah) guarding the rainbow-bridge between the humans and the gods, being and father of all humans etc.

isn't it obvious from my question that i recognized him as being the noah guy? lol well the sumerian version of the noah guy. i still can't get over the fact that noah was named after Ea. that pretty much proves the akkadian flood account in the enuma elish errr no, the epic of gilgamesh, i do believe, that says Enki-Ea warned utnapisjtim of the coming flood. i have a whole theory about that, where the old testament is a mixture of jehovahs, with enlil being given the title that wasn't his in the first place. so sometimes you see enki-jehovah == saving of noah, creation of humans, confusing languages at babel, and sometimes you see enlil as jehovah, decreeing the downgrading of human dna, decreeing the flood, wiping out hundreds of thousands of israelites in the desert, frying sodom and gomorrah and so on.

2 different jehovahs, one of which wasn't really jehovah, just a usurper of the title.

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Oh this is where I come in Abraham !! Father ( Terah ) was a Sumerian Priest Both Came From UR ! a Sumerian City ... Terah is a Descendant of Guess Who .... Shem The Son of Noah .. and we have that tale of Gilgamesh and The Deluge written in stone which Happens to Exist telling close to the same tale ..From Sumeria


The Flood Tablet, relating part of the Epic of Gilgamesh

From Nineveh, northern Iraq, Neo-Assyrian, 7th century BC
www.britishmuseum.org...

helius
The Exodus took place 792 years after the great flood. Isaac was born 392 year after the great flood. As you can see, this is exactly 400 years. So why did the alien ‘god’ of Israel start counting from the birth of Isaac?

I'm afraid you lost me when you brought in aliens, but I can explain a thing or two about Hebrews and the use of numbers like 40 and 400. In many Semite languages (like Hebrew and Arabic) the number 40 simply means "many" or "older". The same can be said about 400 which would be a multiple of 40 further expressing greater age or bigger amount. You can see it in how Moses and his flock spent 40 years in the desert, or how Jesus spent 40 days fasting in the desert, you can also see it in Ali Baba and his 40 thieves or how Muhammed married a 40 year old woman etc. It simply means Moses spent many years in the desert and that Jesus fasted for many days, that Ali Baba had many thieves and that Muhammed married a woman slightly older than himself.

reply to post by Utnapisjtim

hidden knowledge

Hidden, not so much forbidden, but more so kept. The elite
we must remember are highly intelligent in their beautiful
wickedness." Hidden knowledge " could conceivably be nothing
more than a contrivance. A sort of pre fab bleed off valve for the
truth rather than the truth it self. This is where true faith is
tested. I've already decided who to believe.

What say you Utnapisjtim?

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Firstly, my God is the ultimate reason for this, my obvious carnation, and the spark of my conciousness. This God is evident throughout the Cosmos, often recognised by shear beauty and elegant simplicity. The Cosmos is God's mind in a way. I am but a boring story, a simple word, or a tiny spark within the mind of God.

Appart from this philosophy, I love ancient books on religion and myth, mystery and esoteria. I don't adhere to any religion specifically, but I suppose Christianity or Judaism would be the one closest to me heart. That answer your question?

By hidden knowledge I mean any kind of knowledge that at any point in history has been regarded secret for any kind of reason. If you owned a copy of the Bible, or understood Latin back in the Dark Ages, you would be burned on the stake together with your bible if your ownership and knowledge was illegit i.e. not belonging to the Church.