The Seal of Melchizedek and Solomon's Seal…what do they really represent…?

vethumanbeing

MamaJ
The meaning of the seal and ring can be found in ancient texts. The blessing, ring, and seal was given by Melchizedek. Its symbolic/symbolism from "heaven". Occult like and ritualistic in nature. Masons are known for their ring, secrets, symbols, and rituals.

Page 29 speaks of this and the "Most High", being Melchizedek. hermetic.com...
I'm wondering if the "Jinns" or the "Ginnis" are spirit guides. I have no idea though.. lots of speculation.

I have information about the Melchizedeks, there are 4 give me a chance to tunnel/research and hopefully within a day or two can respond.

There are four? Meaning four sources you have?

I would love any and all info you have on him. He is sooooo interesting to me. Thanks!

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Interesting conclusion. Let's say I have a rock in my hand. Over the course of several years, it goes from being a bland chunk of pure graphite to being a sapphire necklace. Then it changes and becomes a wooden box inlaid with plastic gems. Then it changes again and becomes a metal nutcracker, before changing once more to become a pair of glasses.

Now here's my question: what does this series of transformations demonstrate more of? Life, or death?

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Ahhhhh... you changed the question on me. lol

That's ok... my answer is above. Find it.

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My point is that immortality feels more like a sacrifice than a triumph or accomplishment. Like I've just hung myself and I'm only waiting for my body to catch up to my smoldering soul.

MamaJ
vethumanbeing

veteranhumanbeing
I have information about the Melchizedeks, there are 4 give me a chance to tunnel/research and hopefully within a day or two can respond.

MamaJ
There are four? Meaning four sources you have?
I would love any and all info you have on him. He is sooooo interesting to me. Thanks!

There are 4 Melchizedeks; but there are a 'school' of the teachings': the individual names are:
Manovandet Melchizedek
Machiventa Melchizedek (he incarnated)
Malavatia Melchizedek
Mantutia Melchizedek.
All in charge of the local universe.

Machiventa is the only one (as I know) incarnated on Earth as the "priest of Salem-Jeruselem" (mentioned once in the bible). Not four sources; that would be an obvious breech of security; (all information is supposed to be a big mystery) NO TELLING IT to the minions. He is a very interesting character in this play; will I be able to explain him fully? I have to start tunneling and hope my 'connect the dots' scheme works; this will be fun as in IF EVER believed (think future prosperity ATS style). Question? what happenned to Enoch Was Right?

AfterInfinity
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Interesting conclusion. Let's say I have a rock in my hand. Over the course of several years, it goes from being a bland chunk of pure graphite to being a sapphire necklace. Then it changes and becomes a wooden box inlaid with plastic gems. Then it changes again and becomes a metal nutcracker, before changing once more to become a pair of glasses.
Now here's my question: what does this series of transformations demonstrate more of? Life, or death?

There is never a bland chunk of graphite (CARBON) to be had in hand, it makes for a good 'vine charcoal' or writing implement (picture drawing charcoal if compressed too much so becomes a diamond). Your speaking of osmosis or entropy? The natural state of things in change; recycled energy/product by human intuition? "what does this series of transformations demonstrate". These are not animate objects, so the material form is/will transform to the degree the human animal decides its will/or inflicts itself upon its re-transformation/usage. If metaphorically said Id say LIFE (there is hope in the new *recycled* plastic baby doll head being a HIT). Not exactly a Cabbage Patch Type Atrocsity (those were grown in fields as I understand).

Joecroft
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Originally posted by Rex282
I saw Joe with a gun in his hand ..I think he was going down south to shoot his old lady.....I could be wrong..

Is this a “Hey’ Joe where you going with that gun” song reference…?

I can assure you, the only thing I have in my hand right now, is a calculator lol

- JC

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Yes that would be the one.That Joe was none to smart.Good to know you ain't he.There are only about 3.5 billion more "old ladys" out there no reason to give any one the gun....it's the downside spin on .. woke up this morning!!(The songwriter in me is showing).

on that note...with calculator firm in hand press 144 then cos multiply x 2...then 666 then sin multiple x 2. phee phi pho phom...

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what happenned to Enoch Was Right?

I wonder that myself.

AfterInfinity
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My point is that immortality feels more like a sacrifice than a triumph or accomplishment. Like I've just hung myself and I'm only waiting for my body to catch up to my smoldering soul.

Why am I percieving myself to be diving into a 'madness of your making" (not even addressed to me). What would you define as immortality; that of body material NOT (supposed to return from a clayform to dust) or the soul/spirit (true immortality) The body is the sacrifice (you start out young and healthy and end up old, crippled and decrepid). Your body replaces itself as a newer version with each incarnation; your soul remains the same just growing its intel. Whats to worry poetic one? Its all in the plan designed by you for you.

The seal of Melckizedek and Solomons Seal..both have triangular points; referencing what? What if these are just representing crystaline properties>ie look at the garnet, it is the most complicated crystaline form on earth. Its a planet in shape with many geometric points overlayed, a sphere that resembles a goat head (plant seed) similar to a merkaba vehicle (meditation device wherein you spin in opposite directions the 3d model 12 points). Why would this be symbolic? because it is a vehicle to accend the bodyform. Think crystaline form and its ability to transmute or hold energy (quartz is one). Why wouldnt the 'current' star of david represent the same thing; or infact this kabbalic symbolism was implimented/reserrected by the Essenes; this is very old knowledge, far older than 70AD when they simply disapeared, just like the Ancient (not the classic) Maya civilization 200 BC- 0AD.

Veteranhumanbeing
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As much as I dislike books that can be used or abused by fanatics there is one that I believe is just as viable as the Bible. Regarding the Melchizedeks read the 2097 page behemoth "The Urantia Book". Laugh all you like naysayers this book should be #2 on the list of religious/historical potencial truths. Where did it come from? another sleeping prophet, witnessed and recorded by 70 different people, theologians, physisians, professional people. Odd thing is I lived within walking distance of the foundation headquarters in Chicago Il, Diversey Parkway 25 years ago. Crazy coincidences happening all of the time in my life (reading this book takes commitment as in having an open mind to a totally different revelation from another perspective).

MamaJ
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Hey, You are on a roll so please don't stop! lol Im LOVIN IT!!!

For some reason I understand what it is you are saying and implying. Numbers are what makes letters possible, in my opinion of course.

I want to now go back to page one and go page by page as this thread is one of interest.

I am on a hunt to find out everything and anything I can about Melchizedek.

This gut feeling I have about him is not going away and I want to see if there is a real connection or if I am simply putting more into him than exists. For many reasons I am thinking he was an incarnate of Jesus/Adam. He is not the only one I believe to be an incarnate of Jesus but he is the most mysterious.

Thanks MamaJ

Yes the numbers "say" it all.The letters are "the outside" communication.They form words which are babel (the confusion of language).That is the main reason I put very little stock into writing.Words are very poor communicators and seldom mean what they say...(.. irony)

vethumanbeing
The seal of Melckizedek and Solomons Seal..both have triangular points; referencing what? What if these are just representing crystaline properties>ie look at the garnet, it is the most complicated crystaline form on earth. Its a planet in shape with many geometric points overlayed, a sphere that resembles a goat head (plant seed) similar to a merkaba vehicle (meditation device wherein you spin in opposite directions the 3d model 12 points). Why would this be symbolic? because it is a vehicle to accend the bodyform. Think crystaline form and its ability to transmute or hold energy (quartz is one). Why wouldnt the 'current' star of david represent the same thing; or infact this kabbalic symbolism was implimented/reserrected by the Essenes; this is very old knowledge, far older than 70AD when they simply disapeared, just like the Ancient (not the classic) Maya civilization 200 BC- 0AD.

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Maybe you're right, I don't know.

This site lds-studies.blogspot.com... says the eight-pointed star associated with Melchizedek appears in a Masonic work in 1905 and is based on the "47th Problem of Euclid of Alexandria who is known as the "Father of Geometry."

Goes on to say he produced a thirteen volume work in 300 BC, entitled Elements, which became the standard mathematical textbook for approximately two-thousand years. These volumes included a collection of "geometry, proportion, and number theory." The 47th problem was extracted from Book 1 of Euclid's tome.

Freemasons have made particular mention of Euclid's 47th problem in numerous publications, including its connection with Pythagoras, the Egyptians, and its symbol of morality, representing "the ideal of perfection."14 It has been noted as one of the emblems of the Masonic third degree, and serves to teach Masons to be "lovers of the arts and sciences."15 Euclidean Geometry is recognized by Masons because it has been thought that this "system embraces the Masonic philosophy expressed in mathematical terms."16 This is explained by noting that "the geometrical constructions employed in the Elements are restricted to those which can be achieved using a straght-rule and a compass."17 Obviously, the compass and square (straight-rule) figure predominantly in Freemasonry.

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Why is it that everyone is so intent upon escaping the limits of physicality? Is not the reason they seek to ascend the very reason why they should not ascend?

vethumanbeing
Veteranhumanbeing
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As much as I dislike books that can be used or abused by fanatics there is one that I believe is just as viable as the Bible. Regarding the Melchizedeks read the 2097 page behemoth "The Urantia Book". Laugh all you like naysayers this book should be #2 on the list of religious/historical potencial truths. Where did it come from? another sleeping prophet, witnessed and recorded by 70 different people, theologians, physisians, professional people. Odd thing is I lived within walking distance of the foundation headquarters in Chicago Il, Diversey Parkway 25 years ago. Crazy coincidences happening all of the time in my life (reading this book takes commitment as in having an open mind to a totally different revelation from another perspective).

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This book (Urantia) reminds me of what Enoch says.... Metatron/Jesus/Melchizedek and more... "being" the celestial scribe. The Bible calls this spirit, the "Word".

I agree.. it should be compared with the books of Enoch and the Bible and like you, "crazy coincidences" happen to me. Maybe it is because we seek. Seekers may be described as the children of Israel.

ETA: What do you think about the Metatron's Cube? Anything? The "points" are enclosed and appears to be sealed or encased. The symbols of the "secret societies" may hold this as a symbol or seal for protecting secrets of the tree of life.

Metatron's Cube (derived from the Fruit of Life) begets the five Platonic solids, including a star tetrahedron (stellated octahedron)

en.wikipedia.org...

AfterInfinity
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Why is it that everyone is so intent upon escaping the limits of physicality? Is not the reason they seek to ascend the very reason why they should not ascend?

You look at it as a double edge sword. I can see this too.

One may say that because I am a full blown Pisces that I am stuck between this world and the spiritual. Literally, I feel this to be the case. lol It's the way I'm wired.

I don't like limits. I don't want to be "stuck".... If I have yet to experience limitless boundaries, the thought of it is exhilarating. If I have experienced such without the remembrance then I long for it again deep within my spirit.

AfterInfinity
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Why is it that everyone is so intent upon escaping the limits of physicality? Is not the reason they seek to ascend the very reason why they should not ascend?

Not everyone AI (just some of us now apparently); because there is the potencial for ALL to experience both as a gross matter human; the physical matter reality (PMR) in waking life and through meditation or OOBE dream states experience the non physical matter reality state (NPMR), the higher dimensions of what is called the 4th through 9th, non physical within the same lifetime construct. Who is escaping? Suicides? (that wouldnt bode well--back again you go to terraferma as much an idiot hampster wheeler as you were the last life). Oh you are speaking of the Kingdom; and are looking for the ultimate ESCAPE HATCH to get out of this paradigm and rejoin/assend into the eternal fold of enlightenment? We could always ask: What happened to the purpose of this life lesson, and why waste it on whimpering "GET ME OUTTA HERE" (your here to stay NOT again just a brand new you all over again memory swiped). I think there is a message in the recent Zombie Craze, just havent looked at it yet (popular culture intriguing because it says so much unintended to the masses).
Deform/hurt my body I become more egocentric in fear; thereby more real?

MamaJ
vethumanbeing
Veteranhumanbeing
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veteranhumanbeing
As much as I dislike books that can be used or abused by fanatics there is one that I believe is just as viable as the Bible. Regarding the Melchizedeks read the 2097 page behemoth "The Urantia Book". Laugh all you like naysayers this book should be #2 on the list of religious/historical potencial truths. Where did it come from? another sleeping prophet, witnessed and recorded by 70 different people, theologians, physisians, professional people. Odd thing is I lived within walking distance of the foundation headquarters in Chicago Il, Diversey Parkway 25 years ago. Crazy coincidences happening all of the time in my life (reading this book takes commitment as in having an open mind to a totally different revelation from another perspective).

MamaJ
This book (Urantia) reminds me of what Enoch says.... Metatron/Jesus/Melchizedek and more... "being" the celestial scribe. The Bible calls this spirit, the "Word".
I agree.. it should be compared with the books of Enoch and the Bible and like you, "crazy coincidences" happen to me. Maybe it is because we seek. Seekers may be described as the children of Israel.

One way I can discribe it; You have the 'Bible' fictious/poetic/METAPHORICAL interpretation of the birth and history of the human (for children) on one hand. Now there is another missive called "My Big Toe The Theory of Everything"; a very pragmatic/logical/scientific version of "WHAT HAPPENNED" that explains the realms the subsets of concsiousness, how the universe created itself digitally to a positive conclusion (still happening because it is a developing system): resulting in this finality an actionary form; animal constuct (human subset). Then you have an entirely different boomerang appears called "The Urantia Book" ; its story being told by the non physical reality (or NPMRs) demi-gods that MEDDLED with the human. This transmission OR CONFESSION OF DIGRESSIONS through a human form (similar to Edgar Cayce). ALL three books, (cant think of any others) should be coursework for graduate students in 'comparative literature', Moody Bible Institute.

MamaJ
ETA: What do you think about the Metatron's Cube? Anything? The "points" are enclosed and appears to be sealed or encased. The symbols of the "secret societies" may hold this as a symbol or seal for protecting secrets of the tree of life.

Metatron's Cube (derived from the Fruit of Life) begets the five Platonic solids, including a star tetrahedron (stellated octahedron)

en.wikipedia.org...

I havent seen metatrons cube? I know what three 4 dimensional triangles will do in rotation opposite of one another and meditate upon it. For a clue to something, any Gothic cathedral in France will have stone floor symbiology in black and white patterns all very complex (2D); fairly certain they represent the 'stairs' in 2D to represent the assent beyond the 3. Let me look at your link and thanks.

Rex282
On this note....I am not....
First ..I am NOT a mathematician. I'm a musician.It doesn't take a mathematician to calculate these numbers.It probably disqualifies them since none that I know are the least bit interested in these calculations.-
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vethumanbeing;
You would then NOT be surprised to know that numbers or notes are the music of the universe. Bach fugues are very beautiful; and those that understand classical notation will understand this. [?quote]
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Yes "music" is everywhere.A Bach fugue is counterpoint which is like a musical "spiral fractal".The theme(subject is "imitated/mirrored" like a fractal until it spins out "counter melody's that are perceived as all working in "harmony.The "harmony is inherent in the counter melodies .It is deep math at it's core however it's "purpose" is to hear its beauty.
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Rex282Just to clarify..." the numbers" themselves have "meaning" when they are in ratios. blah blah blah........ -
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vethumanbeing;
You are saying there is harmony or disharmony and if I play all of the minor 'black keys' I would cause discordance (or an abomination of natural sound). Some thought Stravinsky's Rite of Spring accomplished this; devil stuff, but it was a perfect balance in describing nature at its best and worst symphonically. Some say Eric Satie should never have touched a piano because they don't understand his notations.
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It is much more complicated than that and more simple."Dissonance" is subjective.A Stravinsky melody and harmony (not all though) don't follow "traditional classical" music rules ad can sound dissonant to those tuned into traditional melody and harmony.It's more of a "tone/note" painting.
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Rex282
When I calculate the Fibonacci(Fn) and Lucas number(Ln) sequences I 'm not seeking the "meaning" of the numbers or even the ratios however sometimes the meaning(in a very limited way) are revealed.As with everything the "basis" has to be known first to build upon it. Arithmetic comes before trigonometry.
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vethumanbeing;
Can one take the Fibonacci spiral and the Lucas number and turn it into sound/music (what would it sound like).
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They already are!!.Modern music (the last 400 years or so) has used equal temperament tuning as opposed to Pythagorean or the many variations.Equal temperament divides the 12 notes into equal rations using the 12th root of 2....1.059,464,...and not surprisingly the pitch frequency's are a Fibonacci sequence. I am positive those who finally arrived at this "simple " solution have no idea about that.I haven't heard anybody that does.It is hidden in plain sight(or ear shot). That's the beauty of the FN it is known however all of it's applications seem to be a mystery.There will be many new inventions using it soon.

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-Rex282-
The knowledge of the numbers of the creator God are in the arithmetic stage....blah blah blah blah.......The definition of spirit is life ...do the math.
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vethumanbeing;
Thank you for this explanation; have you thought about writing a book on this (seriously consider it). Numbers are Gods validation IT exists if any other DID.

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I have people ask me that all the time my answer is No.I have zero desire to.I've been reticent about even posting some of this.It gets very tedious when some question the calculations.I'm not manipulating them or exhorting a "method" of life by the numbers.I'm not setting forth a theory to be studied I am only stating what I know.Anyone can do it.This isn't high intellect or mysticism by a quadrillion zillion light years.The infinite equation is what EVERYTHING is about.That should be a HUGE sign that it is impossible to "decipher or decode because there is nothing to decipher or decode!.It is what it IS....enjoy the show.

AfterInfinity

Why is it that everyone is so intent upon escaping the limits of physicality? Is not the reason they seek to ascend the very reason why they should not ascend?

The same reason why babys are born in the physical realm.You can't live in the womb very long.The physical universe is like a womb.It is temporary.It is where life is conceived not lived.The Kingdom of God realm is the "solid" reality realm.Spirit is not some ephemeral entity without mass.Spirit IS life.Which means it is solid mass.The physical realm is 99.9999999999999% empty space.Every cell of every particle of matter is as empty as the cosmos.There is not one solid "thing" in all of the universe.All matter is subject to entropy because the physical universe of 5 dimensions is the valley of the shadow of death.

Man is not a"spirit" being...nor a soul. nor a body soul and spirit "trinity".Nor does man "have a spirit or soul.That is religion.Man It is the spirit of man..the "life" of man....being an empty matter physical being.Mankind is being "conceived" in the womb of the universe.No one has been "born anew yet regardless of the false religious rhetoric.

All of mankind WILL enter into the Kingdom of God..and they will do ZERO to cause it anymore than anyone caused their own conception (despite the completely delusional belief we can and do).The creator God is causing it ALL...you are NOT the creator God nor EVER will be.

Yes... there are some that have not even been conceived yet.They cannot conceive of life outside the womb matrix because they are a seed without an egg.They may spend ages in that condition however they will eventually impregnate and egg and be conceived.(btw this is the parable of the seed and soils)