The report on Sandy Hook has just been released by the state's attorney's office.

JBA2848
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

NRA basic pistol coarse attendance and Connecticut pistol permit in the name of Nancy Lanza.

Digital image report last page. So it was hers not his.

I see what you're saying here and it makes sense. Adam was only 20 years old and couldn't legally own a handgun.

Somehow, from the photos I've seen of Nancy Lanza, I just don't see her being a gun bunny. I think she bought all of those guns for her kid ... and specifically what he wanted. Those are 'guy guns' ... you just don't see women running around with Sigs and Glock 20s. The Glock 20 is what I like to refer to as a newb gun. Yes, it's incredibly powerful ... but the cost to operate it, and the wear and tear of the 10mm round just don't cut it for an avid shooter.

I also made a mental note of all the unfired pistol rounds they recovered at the scene. This was obviously a very stupidly planned event. He would have got a lot more mileage out of additional magazines for the AR, and he seemed to have quite a few left over in his desk drawers. I wonder how many rounds of 5.56 they found in the gun safe.

I wondering about the gas delivery at the house? They were there around 9:30. That would have been right around the time he would have to leave to go to the school to start all this. I wonder what all the delivery guy seen. I have not noticed any reports about talking to the delivery guy. Only they found the receipt and confirmed the time with the neighbors. Anybody see a statement from the gas delivery guy?

Evanzsayz
BS. I want to see Adam Lanza's photo of the scene where he was killed. I want to see the body armor on him and the weapon right next to him with his brains on the ground. That's when I'll believe the offical story.

Sadly there was one flaw in that new, high-tech video entry system that Sandy Hook was lauded for installing and, which according to the Washington Times, included school doors being locked and secure at 9:30 a.m. with a video camera and buzzer system that can allow entry after that time from THREE monitoring locations but that flaw in the video security system that so much money was spent on in early 2012: it [allegedly] had no recording capabilities.

Why would an elementary school in a wealthy community that at the start of the 2012-13 school year had overhauled their security plan and installed this video access security system choose to NOT record the comings and goings of the entrance? Seems like it would be a logical thing to do considering that like 1/4 of all Law & Order SVU episodes involve a kid being snatched from their elementary school and SVU often reviewing the schools surveillance for leads. Things that make you go hmmm.....

On another note...

Earlier someone asked about the people who were chased in the woods, well apparently you didn't see people with guns or in camouflage in those videos from the helicopter because according to the report:

Two reporters located in the woods around SHES, who were held at gun point by Department of Energy and Environmental Protection (DEEP) police officers until their identities could be determined;

Also, remember the gentleman in handcuffs in the back of the cop car who was mentioned in numerous media accounts and the official reports (because, well as we all know people on social media only post lies and have pants that are on fire and can be arrested by the CT police for typing Sandy and/or Hook in a post) told us a few different reasons for the guy being at the school.... apparently none of that was true because the report tells us:

A man from New York who was working in a nearby town and went to SHES after an application on his cell telephone alerted him to the situation at the school. He drove to the firehouse and went up to the school on foot. He was taken from the scene of the school in handcuffs and later to Newtown Police Department. It was later determined that he did not have a connection to the shooting and had gone to SHES to see what was going on.

On a completely different note:
While Lanza's mother has been vilified and disparaged in every possible way by the media and public officials, Lanza's father Peter continues to get a free pass and has not even publicly commented (aside from the public relations firm written statement shortly after the incident). While I understand that the father was not around and ALLEGEDLY Adam had cut off contact with him (which no one has established proof of this claim); to me it is completely unacceptable to give him a free pass and not pressure him to answer some very important questions about the son he raised.

reply to post by WanDash


Maybe he knew that exit wounds are usually much larger and hoped to damage his face in a way that they couldn't check against his brother.. but that still doesn't make sense considering they would have figured it out quickly, just as they did, when the brother came forward.

Just an idea,

OneManArmy
If this was just Adam Lanza, then how did he get all those people to walk around in circles at the Fire House?
Out one door, all around to the other side of the building, and back into the front door, just to do it all again?
That would take a hell of a lot of coordination, considering he was dead.

This whole event throws up so many questions, and answers so few of them, that its almost unique.

Friday's at the firehouse the whole town gathers for the largest game of musical chairs in the State of Connecticut....

Here is something for folks to ponder:
Considering that upon the arrival of law enforcement & EMS there were NO measures were taken to attempt to save the lives of ANY of the children that were shot and noting that the TWO closest hospitals are both Level II Trauma Centers; isn't it a touch odd that not a single parent has filed a lawsuit against the State or any State Agency for the way the scene was handled and the fact that no potentially life saving measures were attempted???


For reference, At a Level II, emergency room services and surgical services must be available 24/7.Level II trauma centers must have physician specialists including neurosurgeons, pulmonologists, intensivists, trauma surgeons, anesthesiologists, andorthopedistscovering call 24/7.A Level II trauma center must also be part of a hospital that provides acute critical care and care throughout the continuum of the patients' illness and injury, as well as an in-house lab.They also need advanced life support immediately available on air transport, 9-1-1 andlong-distance transport.The difference between a Level II andLevel I is that Level Is have in-house specialists (not on-call specialists) and provide internal research.

NickDC202
...Sadly there was one flaw in that new, high-tech video entry system that Sandy Hook was lauded for installing ... it [allegedly] had no recording capabilities.
...
...Things that make you go hmmm.....

...Also ... the gentleman in handcuffs ...

......to me it is completely unacceptable to give him (Dad Lanza) a free pass and not pressure him to answer some very important questions about the son he raised.

Some excellent points!
Not only was the school in a fairly well-to-do area...but, there was supposedly a *waiting list* for new students (*don't recall where I read that*), and...people involved in finance, research, national (and other forms of) security, and the like - are not likely to be so flippant about the welfare of their potentially-targeted children...
Guess it doesn't matter now, though - the damage has been done - no killer/s or abductor/s...(or accomplices) got away - so - they didn't need the recording facility anyway - - and, now that they're getting a new school, which will surely have said recording devices - it's good that they saved money on the former security upgrade...

reply to post by NickDC202


Even in my tiny town, all of 1 square mile of it, with 500 elementary students from pre k to 8th, we have top notch security, cameras in every classroom, around every corner of the school......it's not acceptable if cameras were not recording. They are there to protect the students at ALL COSTS! I've seen the principle play back videos of children blaming each other over something that happened, & she is able to quickly find out who the trouble makers/LIERS are.....

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GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by WanDash

 

...Maybe he knew that exit wounds are usually much larger and hoped to damage his face in a way that they couldn't check against his brother.. but that still doesn't make sense considering they would have figured it out quickly, just as they did, when the brother came forward.

Just an idea,

Thanks.
Yeah - asktheanimals said they found two spent casings...
Maybe that means - he tried once - didn't have the nerve - missed...then...took the final approach.
To me, though - that doesn't make sense.
If he was determined to kill himself - and took a shot - flinched - whatever - it would seem to me that he would have grown more panicked, with law enforcement getting closer - and would have made a 'quick (impulsive) move'...rather than a calculated, odd-angled move...that, if it likewise failed - might have broken his wrist, or at least dislocated his thumb...such that a third attempt might be impossible.
Then again - this is just speculation (like yours) trying to make sense of an interesting piece of the puzzle.

reply to post by Snarl


That picture shows a new bullet that didn't get a hard enough push from the slide to insert it in the throat of the barrel. It's not an empty case that didn't eject.
I'm not very familiar with Glocks but because of their light weight I could understand why they don't always cycle reliably under unusual conditions. "Limp wristing" as you call it would change the center of gravity after the shot and allow the slide to lose some of it's energy. It's also possible it could have been caught in hair or clothing.

reply to post by NickDC202


About that security system; it seems one of the major sources on Adam Lanza was his Tech club coach, Richard Novia who worked for the Newtown Schools and oversaw their security systems. He said that Ryan was in in the club along with Adam and spoke to Nancy Lanza often about Adam and his difficulties. He's also a licensed private investigator.

Read more about Novia - tatoott1009.wordpress.com...

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www.linkedin.com...

So he is a hacker tied to ISC2 and Infragard?

here is a interview with the guy.

www.pbs.org...

He was trying to help treat Adam? A overnight for a computer Tech Club?

Asktheanimals
reply to post by Snarl

 

That picture shows a new bullet that didn't get a hard enough push from the slide to insert it in the throat of the barrel. It's not an empty case that didn't eject.
I'm not very familiar with Glocks but because of their light weight I could understand why they don't always cycle reliably under unusual conditions. "Limp wristing" as you call it would change the center of gravity after the shot and allow the slide to lose some of it's energy. It's also possible it could have been caught in hair or clothing.

Yep. Basically what I said in the post you replied to. Here's a video:

That malfunction is consistent with a weapon dropped while being fired ... but I don't want to speculate. Considering the reported angles involved in TKDRL's report that seems (to me) more likely than the slide hanging up on an external impediment.

Now ... if somebody else was there and shot him from behind ... we're in a whole 'nother pond.

NickDC202
isn't it a touch odd that not a single parent has filed a lawsuit against the State or any State Agency for the way the scene was handled

Almost...

December 29
Irving Pinsky filed a $100 million lawsuit on Thursday on behalf of a Sandy Hook Elementary School student

December 31
Connecticut State Attorney General George Jepsen calls the lawsuit "misguided" and "lacking a valid basis" in a story that the Hartford Courant has since pulled from its website.

January 1
Pinsky withdraws the lawsuit.

Asktheanimals
reply to post by NickDC202

 

About that security system; it seems one of the major sources on Adam Lanza was his Tech club coach, Richard Novia who worked for the Newtown Schools and oversaw their security systems. He said that Ryan was in in the club along with Adam and spoke to Nancy Lanza often about Adam and his difficulties. He's also a licensed private investigator.

Read more about Novia - tatoott1009.wordpress.com...

That is most interesting Asktheanimals; thanks.

For those interested here is the transcript from Novia's part in the Raising Adam Lanza episode of Frontline (Link to PBS.org)

I watched that episode of Frontline and completely missed the voiceover noting that Novia was the school district security chief and only identified him as the A/V Club guy; now I'm re-reading the transcript in a different light-- Novia only has incentive to paint the worst possible picture of Lanza (and do whatever it takes to do so) because if people focused on their poor, antiquated security system that has 1987 technology but was purchased in 2012 then Novia would face scrutiny regarding a security plan he created.

alfa1

NickDC202
isn't it a touch odd that not a single parent has filed a lawsuit against the State or any State Agency for the way the scene was handled

Almost...

December 29
Irving Pinsky filed a $100 million lawsuit on Thursday on behalf of a Sandy Hook Elementary School student

December 31
Connecticut State Attorney General George Jepsen calls the lawsuit "misguided" and "lacking a valid basis" in a story that the Hartford Courant has since pulled from its website.

January 1
Pinsky withdraws the lawsuit.

Yeah, I intentionally didn't include that guy's lawsuit because he wasn't a parent or guardian of one of the deceased and it was withdrawn.

That being said, great recall alfa1. :-)

Neither logically or statistically does it make sense that no parent or guardian of one of the victims have filed a lawsuit.

reply to post by NickDC202


I don't understand all of it. A friend of mine lost her husband in a bad car accident, he hit some black ice and wrapped his car around a tree. He was not wearing a seatbelt. The police found him dead. The EMT's came and immediately began cpr/ paddles and tried to save him all the way to the hospital. In the ER they worked on him as well and then pronounced him dead. He was found dead, yet they tried everything to revive him. I find it hard to believe that not one child could not have been worked on or at the very least, have EMT's try to revive them. I can understand the condition of some of them, however, I still don't understand why they didn't try anyway. My husband's friend had snapped his neck, not to go into details but it was obvious when he was found (partially decapitated), that life saving measures were not going to work, BUT they still tried anyway.

reply to post by JBA2848


Pretty odd that he would be the only friend, adult or otherwise to speak about Adam on camera.

You know about Infragard, right?

This business owner says he attended a small InfraGard meeting where agents of the FBI and Homeland Security discussed in astonishing detail what InfraGard members may be called upon to do.

"The meeting started off innocuously enough, with the speakers talking about corporate espionage," he says. "From there, it just progressed. All of a sudden we were knee deep in what was expected of us when martial law is declared. We were expected to share all our resources, but in return we'd be given specific benefits." These included, he says, the ability to travel in restricted areas and to get people out. But that's not all.

"Then they said when-not if-martial law is declared, it was our responsibility to protect our portion of the infrastructure, and if we had to use deadly force to protect it, we couldn't be prosecuted," he says.

www.commondreams.org...

His relationship with both Adam, Newtown schools and the FBI are a bit too "cozy" to write off as coincidence in my book. Because so much of the focus has been on Adam the subject of Ryan has barely been touched on. Why was Ryan not on the 1992 census but Adam was? We have a single yearbook photo of Ryan and now there's pictures from inside the Lanza home showing 2 pairs of glasses next to items supposedly belonging to Adam yet they match exactly glasses Ryan wears.

ETA: I needed to retract what I wrote about the pictures being composites, I wasn't thinking clearly.Or seeing, lol.
The house is still in chaos, looks like theyre moving. I can't believe there's so much cheap furniture. It hardly looks lived in. Why not pictures of the main floor though?

reply to post by Taissa


2 children made it Danbury hospital.
I'm not sure if they were DOA or not.

Two Pictures and my quick thoughts



^ Why does every room look like this?



Interesting he has similar taste in clothes as the guy seen running away.

Also I want to add bottles of water are all over the house. like in every shot you can see a drank bottle of water.

Also the windows being blocked out mean these pictures could have been taken anywhere.

Taissa
reply to post by NickDC202

 

I don't understand all of it. A friend of mine lost her husband in a bad car accident, he hit some black ice and wrapped his car around a tree. He was not wearing a seatbelt. The police found him dead. The EMT's came and immediately began cpr/ paddles and tried to save him all the way to the hospital. In the ER they worked on him as well and then pronounced him dead. He was found dead, yet they tried everything to revive him. I find it hard to believe that not one child could not have been worked on or at the very least, have EMT's try to revive them. I can understand the condition of some of them, however, I still don't understand why they didn't try anyway. My husband's friend had snapped his neck, not to go into details but it was obvious when he was found (partially decapitated), that life saving measures were not going to work, BUT they still tried anyway.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend's husband Taissa. I appreciate you sharing that because it is the perfect, eloquent summation of exactly what does not make sense to me.... While I am not a parent, I cannot communicate the sorrow, anger and pain I would suffer if a niece or nephew suffered that fate as those children and not a thing was done to try to save them; even if the child appeared beyond repair it would be unforgivable if EMS was there but not given access. If I were a parent and instead of treating child with dignity, he or she was not transported to the morgue (where their body would be washed, an autopsy performed, proper identification could be made) but instead they left the child at that horrific scene for over 12 hours only to be removed in the middle of the night; taken out like the trash and brought who knows where. Frankly if that scenario occurred as it did for all of those parents, it would be unforgivable and I would absolutely file a lawsuit for medical negligence in order to make sure that no other child fails to receive every potential lifesaving medical procedure possible and also a lawsuit against the State Police and Medical Examiner for negligence and mortuary neglect to prevent another child who has passed from not being treated with dignity and make sure they are brought to the morgue in a timely manner.