The report on Sandy Hook has just been released by the state's attorney's office.

I just went down the rabbithole of ''If I was a school that needed a new camera system''

I found numerous companies that offer such deals.

Lets take this one for instance

www.videosurveillance.com...

Things to Consider Before Installing school video surveillance

There are many factors to cnsider when installing your school security camera system. Consider the following factors when setting up your security cameras:

What do you consider to be your most pressing security threat?
What kind of security do you currently have in place?
Does your school district have security protocol that you must follow?
Are there problems with crime and violence in your surrounding area?
Have you ever wished that you caught a specific incident on camera?
Are there areas in your school where students congregate that have caused problems? (eg vandalism in schoolyards, on lockers, etc)?




Cameras mounted near main entrances and in administrative offices can help you record each visitor as they enter and exit your school. Cameras near exits can also help reduce truancy.

Fixed cameras can be strategically placed in order to protect valuables like computers, sound equipment, trophies and books.

Outdoor surveillance cameras in parking lots can help protect older students and staff when leaving school late or arriving early. These cameras can also discourage break-ins and vandalism during school hours.

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Looking at most of the common systems, all have recording facilities, most have ip streaming capabilities meaning you can stream online or to a server.

The main deal here for me is that you can buy camera's seperate and as you need them but 99% of the SYSTEMS/BULK/Upgrades I found ALL had a DVR thrown in if you buy 2-3 cameras.

Having a camera that does not record might as well be a prop camera as cameras by definition save an image.

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You can find most files here where you can copy paste when you click on text instead of image at top.
www.documentcloud.org...

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I noticed in the cabinet they found Black Cohosh. Did not know what it was so looked it up. They use it as a herbal medicine for Menopause. So it was most likely the mothers. And then you have the symptoms for Menopause. Include Hot flashes or hot flushes, including night sweats and, rarely, cold flashes. And also Back pain,Joint pain, Muscle pain. And Depression and/or anxiety, Fatigue, Irritability, Memory loss, and problems with concentration. Mood disturbance, Sleep disturbances, poor or light sleep, insomnia, and sleepiness.

Black Cohosh
ods.od.nih.gov...

Key points
Black cohosh is an herb sold as a dietary supplement in the United States.
Black cohosh is used for hot flashes and other menopausal symptoms.
Although preliminary evidence is encouraging, the currently available data are not sufficient to support a recommendation on the use of black cohosh for menopausal symptoms. The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) at the National Institutes of Health is funding a rigorous scientific study to determine whether treatment with black cohosh reduces the frequency and intensity of hot flashes, and other menopausal symptoms.
In 2001, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists stated, primarily on the basis of consensus and expert opinion, that black cohosh may be helpful in the short term (6 months or less) for women with vasomotor symptoms of menopause [1].
Although few adverse events have been reported, long-term safety data are not available.

Menopause
en.wikipedia.org...

These are sick, sad people who believe anything other than a twisted individual did this. They have an agenda to preserve. Do they think every single person that commits murder of their family or random people have some hidden motive? Get real. People do things for no reason, I'm sorry you can't accept that, but it's 100% true and nothing you believe will change that.

Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean there's another reason for it. I'm truly sorry there are people like this in the world, but your pathetic conspiracy theories won't change that fact.

notquitesure
OK, I don't believe for a second that the school had no recording equipment. Either it was disabled or we are simply being lied to. This is one of the many aspects of this case worthy of investigation. Should be simple enough to produce evidence that this system was installed without recording equipment, right?

However, claiming there was no recording serves two purposes. The first is rather obvious. No recording, no Lanza. Authorities can say whatever they want about the case with little cause for backup.

There's a second benefit to the establishment of claiming no recordings. The outrage will get people clamoring for more recordings. We need to go ahead and record every step everybody makes, right? That way next time we'll have evidence. You guys asked for it...

Right, people aren't lazy, or stupid, or unwilling to do their job? Gee, I wish I worked where you work, which is obviously NASA. Oh wait, even NASA has incompetent employees that can cause catastrophic failures...

You seem to think the rest of the world is perfect. Unless the theory doesn't fit your own particular views.

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And your ability to ignore problems with our own government twisting details in a story to cover up the involvement of one of there own really surprises me. Now Richard Novia ISC2,Infragard,DHS,Private Investigator,Tech Teacher who beat up a kid in 2008 which might just have been Adam the shooter who was then taken out of school by his mother is a cover up. and how about this tidbit. Richard Novia has been to the Lanza house on over nights with the Tech Club. Yes in the very house Adam lived in and shot his mother.

So does any of this bother you? Do you wish the government would give a answer as to how much involvement Richard Novia had with the case? He was part of the event before and after but not during. I want more answers on the before and after involvement. They will not give it so it must be searched for. Even the media has questioned this guy several times hoping he will say something else because they know he knows more then he is telling. Are you upset at them to?

And how about most evidence they have on Adam comes from that very Tech Club. Did Richard Novia give it to them? Where are the video tapes recording Adam at Channel 17 News Corp? He was there he operated cameras for them. There are still frame captures from a video released to the internet. Where is the video?

Why did Richard Novia refuse to be fired and wanted the Board to discus his case of hitting a student? He said he was hired by the Board not the school and only the board could fire him. Why did the Board member quit shortly after this then go to work for Pfizer? Why did News Corp drop the School Channel 17 after this?

Helious
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The truth has been exposed. A psycho did this, nothing more.

You seem to think/want something else. You have motives beyond this.

A problematic person caused this, nothing more. I'm sorry you can't accept that. It does bend the mind, unless you've actually been in contact with people who've caused senseless suffering of this sort. Have you? I doubt it. You couldn't have been face to face with true evil and discount that true evil exists for evil sake, and nothing else. Nothing. No reason. No sensibility. No logic.

You're searching for logic, where it doesn't exist. I don't get it, unless you don't get it. Which I think you don't.

JBA2848
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And your ability to ignore problems with our own government twisting details in a story to cover up the involvement of one of there own really surprises me. Now Richard Novia ISC2,Infragard,DHS,Private Investigator,Tech Teacher who beat up a kid in 2008 which might just have been Adam the shooter who was then taken out of school by his mother is a cover up. and how about this tidbit. Richard Novia has been to the Lanza house on over nights with the Tech Club. Yes in the very house Adam lived in and shot his mother.

So does any of this bother you? Do you wish the government would give a answer as to how much involvement Richard Novia had with the case? He was part of the event before and after but not during. I want more answers on the before and after involvement. They will not give it so it must be searched for. Even the media has questioned this guy several times hoping he will say something else because they know he knows more then he is telling. Are you upset at them to?

And how about most evidence they have on Adam comes from that very Tech Club. Did Richard Novia give it to them? Where are the video tapes recording Adam at Channel 17 News Corp? He was there he operated cameras for them. There are still frame captures from a video released to the internet. Where is the video?

Why did Richard Novia refuse to be fired and wanted the Board to discus his case of hitting a student? He said he was hired by the Board not the school and only the board could fire him. Why did the Board member quit shortly after this then go to work for Pfizer? Why did News Corp drop the School Channel 17 after this?

edit on 30-11-2013 by JBA2848 because: (no reason given)

Refused to be fired, wow, I wish I had that power.

Blah, blah, blah, speculation from crazed conspiracy theorists. Please, stick to what is actually real. You discredit yourself when you use this kind of evidence.

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JBA2848
I went down a rabbit hole with the guy Richard J Novia. That is the Tech Club teacher who says he insisted that Adam join the club. The Tech Club had a TV spot on Channel 17. Adam would run video cameras for this and do video editing. The Tech Club got this TV spot when Channel 17 got a new owner News Corp. And the strange thing is when News Corp dropped Channel 17 Richard J Novia decided to leave Newtown Elementary School?

But this is not the only thing bothering me here. The list is long. Richard J Novia was in charge of Security for the school and protection for the children from school shootings. Seems Adam only got interested in this as he joined this class with Richard J Novia. And his job is to research this type of thing just like Adam decided to do. Could there be a link there where Adam was working with him to research the school shootings? A student teacher project?

And then you have the Granny Book. Digital rights for the animated Granny was given to some one else name redacted. Now this book Probably came from this class. Why do I say that? Well binders which this book was is used on class projects in computer classes. I guess it goes along with the hole office experience thing to learn binders for presentations and reports. But that is not the only part there. There is more that leads me to that class. The digital image looks like some of the early MSDOS animated characters you would create with old software. And another thing would be the credit for works of others. Listing the names of those who helped like he did. I am sure he would have got a "A" for the project for correctly doing everything. But a WTH for the story line used.

But there is still more to this guy that seems off. I guess you remember the elementary school kids being taught Stranger Danger in school. That is where they yell Stranger Danger if approached by a stranger and run. They are taught this in elementary school by security officer or local police. Richard J Novia was the guy in charge of security. And that tied in with Adams internet records pulled by a search warrant for a Smiggles conversations about Pedophilia nonporn. Could this be him researching what his teacher taught him? Could this be even a conversation with his teacher Richard J Novia? In the PBS article he talks about sitting for long periods of time with Adam and not saying a word? Overnight class projects for a computer class? And when he taught Adam needed to go home he would call Nancy himself? Not send him to the office to have the secretary call his parents which would be done normally?

Richard J Novia is part of Infragard and ISC2 government hackers. ISC2 are incharge of all certifications and training for Information Security under DoD 8570.1m. Yes the military put ISC2 in charge.

I am sure there is more because I did not go all the way down the rabbit hole last night. I could see this was a deep dark hole that some body could get lost in. After all it is Thanks Giving today.

I will look into some more and post if I see more.

His Linkedin account showing he is tied to Newtown,ISC2 and Infragard.
www.linkedin.com...

DoD 8570.1m
infoseccerts.com...

The PBS story with the information stated by him that has really made me scratch my head about this guys ties to Adam and his family.
www.pbs.org...

The rest came from the ct.gov website. Smiggles was listed under the digital history and search warrants issued.
www.ct.gov...

This site has the documents also.
www.documentcloud.org...

JBA2848
Think I found something very interesting here. remember me posting about Richard Novia and his Tech Club with Adam? Well here is a real twist to this story. Seems they have not been telling us the whole story. And he is dirty in this. But first let us take a look at a recent story about why Adam was pulled out of the school.

abcnews.go.com...

The aunt of Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza said the shooter's mother pulled him out of Newtown's public school system because she was unhappy with the school district's plans for her son.

So they had plans for Adam that Nancy did not like?

Marsha, who lives in the Chicago suburb of Crystal Lake, said that Nancy had home-schooled Adam after pulling him out of the Newtown public school system. "She mentioned she wound up home-schooling him because she battled with the school district," said Marsha.

Nancy battled with the school?

Now here is the real kicker. Remember old Richard Novia. Here is a article about him from 2008.

www.newstimes.com...

School administrators placed Richard Novia on administrative leave immediately following a March 11 altercation involving him and a 17-year-old junior at the high school.

According to police, during disciplinary action for an unrelated incident, Novia pushed the student while in his office with police School Resource Officer Domenic Costello.

The student told Novia, "You can't put your (expletive) hands on me," to which Novia responded, "One day you are going to get your (expletive) kicked," according to police.

The student's family did not file a complaint against Novia after meeting with police, but district administrators put Novia on paid administrative leave.

Attorney Vincent Sabatini, representing Novia, a 15-year employee of the school system, told the board at its meeting Tuesday that because the Board of Education, not school administrators, signed Novia's contract, he deserves the right to have the board address the issue.

"This is something the board should know about and be discussed," Sabatini said.

So who did Richard Novia get in a fight with? Timeline fits between both of these events that says they could be related. So what are they not telling us?

Do you have anything to add to that Blah Blah Blah?

I won't be back. People here don't care about finding reason, they just want to see their own brand of conspiracy.

Anything to deflect the blame from a single person, an evil person that represents the stark truth of humanity, and themselves. Evil exits, even within ourselves, deal with it.

Anything else, TPTB, NWO, Obama, gun-grabbers, Illuminati, myself, or anyone that has actually studied things like this. They only want to see what aligns with their own per-determinded beliefs.

There is no reasoning. Only playing into their game of laying blame on anything else other than the humanity that they themselves exist within. It scares them to the bone.

I'm so sorry for laying it out like it is. You must come to terms with yourself and your innate evil. You can't run from it, or project it on some nebulous authority. It comes from yourself, and others around you.

Welcome to humanity.

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Excuse me for the edited version of your post, however, I have been reprimanded in the past for quoting long posts.

My reason for replying to this part of your comment is to ask, is it possible that the windows were covered in black garbage bags not to keep the light out, but to keep the outside view from the photo itself. After all-that picture could have been taken anywhere, not necessarily the Lanza household at all.

And this from an previous comment (of yours)

Yes, it is possible and I have thought of that as well. The problem we face is the difference between speculation and fact. Even though most things regarding Sandy Hook make no logical sense when put to the test, most of what is amiss is somehow oddly just out of reach of proving as a lie.

When approaching this subject with a skeptical mind, you must be very careful in your assertions and postulations, the subject matter does not allow for normal people to give you space for half thought out and ill researched conjecture. Much is wrong with the official story, much is wrong with every aspect of this scenario, much is wrong with every aspect that is the Sandy Hook tragedy.

Concise, irrefutable proof is the answer to the skeptics who hold on to the official story. The enemy of those who dissent are people who would lodge illogical and ill thought out scenarios about what happened with no proof, that is what discredits the argument as a whole faster than anything else.

How many times have reports made mention of the fact that Adam changed his clothes very frequently. That sounds suspicious to me in retrospect.

Inmaterial to anything that is being disputed.

I realize everyone is different, but I feel that the mentioning of Adam changing his clothes so often is a very convenient way of explaining certain situations that need to be explained, but would be no easier way. The picture of the bedroom does appear abnormal to me, esp. in comparison to the other picture of his things laid out. I'm referring to the picture with the random things cluttered together with his glasses and his ID card right on top. Directly on top.

Adam changing his clothes on a regular or irregular basis will never be anything more than loose speculation and as such means absolutely nothing. The ID card in the police provided photos however is more intriguing and in my personal opinion is completely fake, I use the word fake on many levels as in I do not believe that ID ever existed and I don't believe it was resting on that desk as it sat when that picture was taken.

That, perhaps, will prove to not be complete speculation, that, may be able to be proved. We shall see.

So a kid who sleeps in a room with taped up windows is evil? It paints a picture in your mind of some one who is just not right. Well lets take a look and see who else is doing this they must be evil.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Meanwhile, MailOnline visited Ryan at his luxury apartment block in Hoboken, New Jersey, just over the Hudson River from Manhattan.
In a worrying echo of his brother's isolation, the blinds were pulled down even though it was past 9am on a weekday, and other windows appeared to be covered over to stop the sunlight getting in.

Ryan Lanza covering up windows and blacking out windows? Could he have done that to that room at the Lanza Family Residence?

NickDC202

Here is something for folks to ponder:
Considering that upon the arrival of law enforcement & EMS there were NO measures were taken to attempt to save the lives of ANY of the children that were shot and noting that the TWO closest hospitals are both Level II Trauma Centers; isn't it a touch odd that not a single parent has filed a lawsuit against the State or any State Agency for the way the scene was handled and the fact that no potentially life saving measures were attempted???

WOW. The EMS issues has always been the big giant flashing neon sign for me, but you make an even better point. The LACK of a lawsuit in the USA for something like this is truly a SMOKING GUN

That's pretty much case closed for me, but I'll add a few more unbelievables:

Nancy Lanza warns baby sitter to never turn back on Adam, but then purchases a horde of FIREARMS for this kid?????

Adam has plenty of ammo left, has just killed 20 young children and 6 teachers, but he draws his moral line at shooting police?????

8675309jenny

NickDC202

Here is something for folks to ponder:
Considering that upon the arrival of law enforcement & EMS there were NO measures were taken to attempt to save the lives of ANY of the children that were shot and noting that the TWO closest hospitals are both Level II Trauma Centers; isn't it a touch odd that not a single parent has filed a lawsuit against the State or any State Agency for the way the scene was handled and the fact that no potentially life saving measures were attempted???

WOW. The EMS issues has always been the big giant flashing neon sign for me, but you make an even better point. The LACK of a lawsuit in the USA for something like this is truly a SMOKING GUN

That's pretty much case closed for me, but I'll add a few more unbelievables:

Nancy Lanza warns baby sitter to never turn back on Adam, but then purchases a horde of FIREARMS for this kid?????

Adam has plenty of ammo left, has just killed 20 young children and 6 teachers, but he draws his moral line at shooting police?????

Yep. Maybe he wanted to die, and not just get shot by cops. How can you think you understand every psycho person and their motives? Must they align with your own perspective on life, or what you can accept?

You seem to think that everything must make sense. I see. I guess people who act on evil, or psychosis, have to act in a certain logical fashion at every moment. I guess your universe is totally perfect, yes?

Again... welcome to humanity. It doesn't make sense, nor does it have to.

Analysis of Competing Hypotheses

Dick Heuer spent years in the CIA Directorate of Operations (DO) as well as the DI, and worked on methodology of analysis both in his later years and after retirement.[2] Some of his key conclusions, coming from both experience and an academic background in philosophy, include:
1 The mind is poorly "wired" to deal effectively with both inherent uncertainty (the natural fog surrounding complex, indeterminate intelligence issues) and induced uncertainty (the man-made fog fabricated by denial and deception operations).
2 Even increased awareness of cognitive and other "unmotivated" biases, such as the tendency to see information confirming an already-held judgment more vividly than one sees "disconfirming" information, does little by itself to help analysts deal effectively with uncertainty.
3 Tools and techniques that gear the analyst's mind to apply higher levels of critical thinking can substantially improve analysis on complex issues on which information is incomplete, ambiguous, and often deliberately distorted. Key examples of such intellectual devices include techniques for structuring information, challenging assumptions, and exploring alternative interpretations.

en.wikipedia.org...

I like 3.

reply to post by Helious

One other thing ... is it safe to assume Adam Lanza was the only guy behind the trigger at the school? I am not so sure he shot his mom. We're letting one conclusion lead to another.

Also, I linked some info in previous posts. Those statements by the cops are part of official record. Not sure why the Summary OS contradicts. I was looking specifically at the bullet proof vest (which I never believed ... he was almost too skinny to wear one effectively) and the total number of 5.56 rounds expended. There's a reduction of 50 rounds between police reports and the OS. Could those 50 rounds have come from another weapon? Were the initial reports of the cops just wrong?

I've never understood why he carried two high-end handguns (with an incredible number of handgun rounds) to the event. Was he just short on 5.56 ammo?

Parking the Saiga12 outside sorta makes sense (because of the carry weight and bulk) ... but then it makes no sense at all. Why leave it where it can be so quickly seen by first responders? Was this weapon in the possession of someone else there who had instigated this event in Lanza's mind? Somebody who took off once Lanza was committed? Could this 'somebody' possibly know there was no recording capability at the school?

Last things: Lanza abruptly quit when he had the run of the entire school. Did he quit because he was expecting someone to have joined him, realized he was set-up, and then suicided? Why does the Summary OS so conveniently omit any details of the guy in the woods? Lanza was keen on the Columbine event. There were two shooters there. Anyone with half-a-brain knows you can do a LOT more damage if there are two shooters as opposed to just one ... because you can cover one another from an unarmed hero and more readily focus on what it is you're there for ... as heinous as it sounds.

These are some scattered thoughts ... and I'm sorry for that. Hope they help your efforts.

JBA2848
I like 3.

Brother ... you could make a living doing what you do here. You wouldn't make a lot of friends, but you'd make a lot of $$$.

Check your box for a U2U.

Operations
These are sick, sad people who believe anything other than a twisted individual did this. They have an agenda to preserve. Do they think every single person that commits murder of their family or random people have some hidden motive? Get real. People do things for no reason, I'm sorry you can't accept that, but it's 100% true and nothing you believe will change that.

Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean there's another reason for it. I'm truly sorry there are people like this in the world, but your pathetic conspiracy theories won't change that fact.

Oh, I believe a sick and twisted individual did this, just WHO that sick and twisted individual is, is something many people would like to know.

8675309jenny

NickDC202

Here is something for folks to ponder:
Considering that upon the arrival of law enforcement & EMS there were NO measures were taken to attempt to save the lives of ANY of the children that were shot and noting that the TWO closest hospitals are both Level II Trauma Centers; isn't it a touch odd that not a single parent has filed a lawsuit against the State or any State Agency for the way the scene was handled and the fact that no potentially life saving measures were attempted???

WOW. The EMS issues has always been the big giant flashing neon sign for me, but you make an even better point. The LACK of a lawsuit in the USA for something like this is truly a SMOKING GUN

That's pretty much case closed for me, but I'll add a few more unbelievables:

Nancy Lanza warns baby sitter to never turn back on Adam, but then purchases a horde of FIREARMS for this kid?????

Adam has plenty of ammo left, has just killed 20 young children and 6 teachers, but he draws his moral line at shooting police?????

I don't even believe the story that Nancy Lanza was a prepper and took Adam to the firing range. I don't even believe she cared about guns either. Where is the proof that she purchased weapons? Where are the photos of her with any of her guns? Where are there ANY updated family photos, of even her and Adam together? At this point, I think they were both set up, used, and murdered.

Might I suggest that we collectively ignore the comments of people who only want this thread closed? They add nothing to this civil, thoughtful examination other than personally attack the participants in hopes that this, like countless other threads on this topic, will be closed; they only desire to derail this discussion and by ignoring such comments this discussion can continue to thrive.