Breaking: World powers reach historic nuclear deal w/ Iran

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MadMax9
reply to post by Bassago

 

Arabs seldom do, it's just their nature.

You say you've done business with Arabs ?

Iranians are Persians, not Arabs.

And they speak a different language too.

No the laugh is on you because the Persians have been hijacked by Islamic Arabs for along time and they are the ones making the deals. Yes, I am correct so stuff it. Arabs are not to be trusted and they are just buying time.

Israel will have no other choice but to bomb Iran, Obama knows this and the only reason he signed this is so he looks like a great peace maker while starting war in the process. He knows if Israel attacks now they will look real bad and be hit back. Obama wants his Muslim Brotherhood to destroy Israel and the U.S..

Gog-Magog has just been triggered. 20 says the Saudis leave Israel's attack planes hanging with no fuel after they have done their job. Hell they may even take a go at the planes on their return trip. Israel should only attack if they can do everything alone, witch i am sure they can, as they always do with God on their side.

Iran needs to be very, very worried now!! Its coming, you Satan worshipers.

Patriotsrevenge
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Israel will have no other choice but to bomb Iran, Obama knows this and the only reason he signed this is so he looks like a great peace maker while starting war in the process. He knows if Israel attacks now they will look real bad and be hit back. Obama wants his Muslim Brotherhood to destroy Israel and the U.S..

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Enlighten us, why does Israel HAVE TO bomb Iran?!
Because Iran is a signatory of the NPT, and Israel isn't?!
Because Iran didn't attack ANYONE in the past couple of centuries, and Israel does it on a regular basis?!
Because as oppose to Israel, Jewish people have every right in Iran (by the way the Iranian Jewish population is the second largest in the ME, after that of Israel)...

So, please let us know the reason...why does Israel HAVE TO bomb Iran?!

reply to post by MadMax9


Iranians are not Arabs.

2nd line.

Oh dear. We've seriously upset the Israeli (Zionist religious fundamentalist?) politicians by averting another war.....

Tells you everything you need to know ....

I guess that's their armageddon delayed yet again! They must be so, so, very upset ....

The good ole fake nuclear deals with Iran .Same thing was going on with North Korea and now they have nukes.

www.theblaze.com...

MadMax9
reply to post by Bassago

 

Iran will take the money but will not honor the deal. Arabs seldom do, it's just their nature. I've dealt with many Arabs in business and I can never trust them and time and time again they prove me right. Must be a cultural thing they do...?

That's a bunch of nonsense, you have no idea what your talking about.

iMHO this is all smoke and mirrors. Iranians have enriched to a point of 20% (per the media) when all is needed for energy is 5%. Why such a high grade if not to refine to 90%. Why not stay at 5 and show the International community its for civilian needs and not military reasons. So IMHO they have what they need to build a nuke and the US and foreign alies know there is no going back. So to keep iran from doing any harm, ease sanctions and give biliions in aid. The same as the world dose with North Korea. So are we to expect temper tantrums as the North koreans do to get things, by threatening the world by blowing it up. Only time will tell.

reply to post by Bassago


From what I can gather about this, John Kerry rolled another 300 game. With this and the Syrian deal which he spearheaded with the Russians, he's got a legit claim to the vice presidential nomination in '16, and if Hillary decides to pass, on the presidential nomination again (and this time he won't take fools gladly).

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I guess we will see how this plays out. Kind of very strange that EVERY single one of our allies in the region is so far is not in agreement with this deal. There is word of Saudi-Israeli working on their own plan.

Somehow I don't see it a good deal if our allies in the region are against it.

The real test is these next six months. So far all we have in place is a freeze, while promising, it's not enough without safeguards to insure they can't just start up again.

Six months.....just in time for the Fourth of July.....

reply to post by Bassago

One need only look at the bones of this agreement, and what it took for the American and UK governments to sign on, and that is basically, Iran must limit it's flow of oil to have the sanctions removed. In other words, do not bring down the price of fuel, and we will lift the sanctions. Never had this been an issue of nuclear proliferation, just greed. The laws of supply and demand, increasing revenue by reducing oil supply. Bad intentions ever so blatantly laid out in black and white.


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reply to post by AlphaExray


After reviewing the link and some of the sanctions and restrictions we (US) have directly caused or imposed on Iran it's no wonder our government is worried they may create nuclear weapons. If Iran does get them I suspect there is a lot of pent up anger at the US. Doubtful Israel has to worry about being a first target.

The White House estimates that Iran has lost more than $80 billion since the beginning of 2012 because of lost oil sales.

Also from your link, I find this interesting as well. I'm not sure if anyone is taking into consideration that Iran does not lose anything they are simply postponing it. As long as the regime there remains in power they eventually get the revenues. In the future that oil will probably be worth even more.

hillbilly4rent
iMHO this is all smoke and mirrors. Iranians have enriched to a point of 20% (per the media) when all is needed for energy is 5%. Why such a high grade if not to refine to 90%. Why not stay at 5 and show the International community its for civilian needs and not military reasons. So IMHO they have what they need to build a nuke and the US and foreign alies know there is no going back. So to keep iran from doing any harm, ease sanctions and give biliions in aid. The same as the world dose with North Korea. So are we to expect temper tantrums as the North koreans do to get things, by threatening the world by blowing it up. Only time will tell.

20% would be the highest grade for commercial reactors...think premium gas. Why should they have to do that just to satisfy scared little countries when those countries own intelligence says that Iran is not pursuing the bomb? As far as I am concerned, this is a Iranian issue and the rest of the world should stay out of it.

reply to post by MadMax9


Arabs... Or Muslims?

Read a few things passages in the Koran that basically says its ok to screw over people who aren't Muslims. And to deceive then however you want.

20% would be the highest grade for commercial reactors...think premium gas. Why should they have to do that just to satisfy scared little countries when those countries own intelligence says that Iran is not pursuing the bomb? As far as I am concerned, this is a Iranian issue and the rest of the world should stay out of it.

reply to post by superman2012

As for the 20% I try not to pretend I know what is min/max I'm not a physics guy.
One, scared little countrys have a way of escalating the situation.
Two, As for intelligence that is something both side's of the coin is lacking.
and three, as far as I'm concerned its one of the most volatile regeons on earth. Why such a hard push for such a dangerous thing. Why not wind or solar? It my be an iranian issue but for how long. How long will it be before it falls in the hands of people that want to do harm.

reply to post by Bassago


It hasn't worked before, it's naive to think it will this time.

Iran nuclear deal: Saudi Arabia warns it will strike out on its own
Saudi Arabia claims they were kept in the dark by Western allies over Iran nuclear deal and says it will strike out on its own
www.telegraph.co.uk...

hillbilly4rent

20% would be the highest grade for commercial reactors...think premium gas. Why should they have to do that just to satisfy scared little countries when those countries own intelligence says that Iran is not pursuing the bomb? As far as I am concerned, this is a Iranian issue and the rest of the world should stay out of it.

reply to post by superman2012

 

As for the 20% I try not to pretend I know what is min/max I'm not a physics guy.
One, scared little countrys have a way of escalating the situation.
Two, As for intelligence that is something both side's of the coin is lacking.
and three, as far as I'm concerned its one of the most volatile regeons on earth. Why such a hard push for such a dangerous thing. Why not wind or solar? It my be an iranian issue but for how long. How long will it be before it falls in the hands of people that want to do harm.

As far as intelligence, you have; Israeli intelligence, US intelligence, the IAEA, ISIS, and Iran all saying that Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons. I wonder how long until the public falls for the Iraq WMD when the same is accused of Iran?
Why not wind or solar? If the most technologically advance society (the US) cannot figure it out, what makes you think that Iran could? For now, nuclear is the best option. I just wish they would figure out a way to not let it meltdown. For all we know, Iran has desires to manufacture enriched uranium to sell to the world when the oil supply gets low and prices skyrocket.
They could make a bomb now using 5% or less. They haven't. It is, and will be unless they start making nuclear weapons, an Iranian issue. The only reason why they are making a big deal about it is that Iran will not allow the IAEA onto their military base which also has an enrichment facility on it. The IAEA has zero jurisdiction on military bases. Is this sketchy to build one on a base? For sure. Is it illegal? Nope. Israel is the first to bark and make lots of noise to try to attract people to this "problem" all the while not disclosing how many nuclear bombs they have, not allowing the IAEA in to inspect, nor signing the NPT.

That is very hypocritical.

reply to post by Bassago
This is more theatrics and choreography. Iran wants to trade oil in gold not petrodollars. Israel perceives Iran, a peaceful nation, that attacked nobody in 300 yrs. as an enemy. Iran has extensive oil reserves coveted by big oil. Iran is on the globalist bucket list. Remember that youtube video with General Wesley Clark. That puts Iran squarely in the cross-hairs. The fact that Iran has allowed inspectors from IAEA into the country to inspect facilities and acquiesced to have other countries do the refining of uranium for their peaceful program is totally irrelevant. Iran must go.
Israel who claims to have no nukes, refuses to allow nuclear inspectors into the country and has not signed the nuclear non proliferation treaty. Critical thinkers might be inclined to ask why? Isn't this a double standard? What if Israel was to dismantle it's nukes; wouldn't that take away the incentive for neighboring states to have a nuke. Ironically, Iran is on probation but N. Korea who has issued threats to other nations is not deemed worthy of the attention that Iran receives.
Kissinger rightly said of the American public “Americans buy war like children gobble candy,” If Pierce Morgan, Wold Blitzer, Anderson Cooper and O'Reilly and Hannity spin it right, Americans will be on board.
Ironically, this story is grabbing the headlines just as Obamacare is polarizing Americans against the President and his party. The timing of the Iran agreement is a great dis tractor.
Kerry, a Skull and Bones alumni and globalist ,is taking on the role of a wise statesman over this issue, knowing that the agreement will receive a rough ride in Congress which is Israeli occupied territory, to quote Pat Buchanan. This agreement is destined to fail.
Once again, young american patriots will put on the uniform and fight as a proxy military; this time for Bankers, Big Oil, the Military Congress Complex, and Israel. The devil is in the details. America must appear as though it is not an instigator or willing participant in this upcoming conflict. It needs to enter the war later on a created pretense, perhaps a false flag. It is interesting to see Israel and Saudi Arabia suddenly become strange bedfellows. At the same time the Saudi's are becoming quite interested in acquiring nukes from Pakistan who owes them a lot of money. The press isn't talking about this.
If America enters this upcoming war from the beginning, as part of another coalition of the willing, it will be a face off with Russia and China who are not stretched as thin as the US military. Both China and Russia have defense treaties with Iran, and both are owed a lot of money by Iran. In other words China and Russia both a dog in the fight. This conflict will be spun in a way that Americans will rally behind the flag and support it. The real question is how will China and Russia perceive America's precipitation in a humanitarian kinetic action against Iran.
This engagement could very easily turn nuclear. Ironically, in a geopolitical sense, Iran is of no strategic importance to the US, who should be spending less on the military, and more on the welfare of citizens and the economy at home. Instead it is another example of socialism for corporations and capitalism for the public. The public will pay for the war through deficit spending and the benefits will accrue to corporations. But then again, what can you expect from a public, that wisely preferred a Nobel Peace Prize President with a gilded tongue, who started more wars than any predecessor, over a rational and traditional Ron Paul, who advocated staying out of other people's wars.
Sit back and watch this peace plan unravel. This is a deja vu of Iraq without Scooter Libby and the yellowcake.

reply to post by cayrichard

There hasn't been a war fought (in modern times) that haven't been about corporations, oil, or banking. I applaud the men and women who serve, but they aren't doing it for the reasons they are told. They are lied to just like the rest of us.

superman2012
As far as intelligence, you have; Israeli intelligence, US intelligence, the IAEA, ISIS, and Iran all saying that Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons. I wonder how long until the public falls for the Iraq WMD when the same is accused of Iran?
Why not wind or solar? If the most technologically advance society (the US) cannot figure it out, what makes you think that Iran could? For now, nuclear is the best option. I just wish they would figure out a way to not let it meltdown. For all we know, Iran has desires to manufacture enriched uranium to sell to the world when the oil supply gets low and prices skyrocket.

This was solved 50 years ago. Thorium nuclear reactors. They physically can't melt down, the waste has a half life measured in decades rather than millenia, and the fuel for them is extremely common (seriously, you have a bunch of thorium in your back yard). The reason they aren't fully developed is that spent fuel can't be used to make weapons.