Is this Supposed to Happen?

Okay, I tried meditating a day back. I was so into it later I found I had drooled a bit even o_o .... well, I had these twitches in my hand and arm randomly, and it made me think back to years back when I was just out of high school.

I was on a tour bus, looking at colleges and I fell asleep. Kind of half sleep, and I was dreaming while taking in sounds and incorporating in my dream (I'm sure some of you know what I mean). Suddenly my arm shot up, and I almost punched someone....

I heard you're supposed to have sleep paralysis etc...but of course not, now right? It also makes me think of way back when mom said I sleep walked.

Is this caused by mental error or is it normal?

reply to post by Lunette

I heard you're supposed to have sleep paralysis etc...but of course not, now right?

Why are you supposed to have sleep paralysis?

Is this caused by mental error or is it normal?

You have described falling asleep the way I read your OP. both occasions, you're attempted meditation and on the bus sound like falling asleep.

That seems normal.

I get the same on the couch,


How did you try to meditate?

Did you follow any guides, were you well rested or tired?

reply to post by InhaleExhale


I didn't do it at night, one attempt was in a car by myself, and the other was on that bus.

In the car I relaxed my body and focused on my breaths, not too hard of course. Once I got past the thought processes running rampant, I used visualizations to get my mind working the way I wanted it to...to get farther from my body.

Was I not letting the rest come to my body long enough? When should visualization start?

reply to post by Lunette


Hello Lunette,

Sounds like myoclonic jerks. I used to get them a lot as I was going to sleep. Unless you have repeated issues, nothing to worry about IMHO, but I know how weird they can be!

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Lunette

In the car I relaxed my body and focused on my breaths, not too hard of course. Once I got past the thought processes running rampant, I used visualizations to get my mind working the way I wanted it to...to get farther from my body. Was I not letting the rest come to my body long enough? When should visualization start?

I take a different path in finding my own solitude in my mind.

Instead of attempting to quiet and slow my thoughts I speed them up until everything becomes clear and then it becomes quiet and peaceful and I am one with all, I find understanding in all horror and beauty that befall us. everything makes sense at that moment.

The path I take only gives me glimpse that lasted from a second to a few hours.

In that state I feel nothing, no Love no hate I just feel as though everything is perfection of the highest degree.

What type of meditation are you attempting?

Is it just a clearing of your mind and a hope of astral projection or some experience like that that you are chasing?

reply to post by Open2Truth


Oh yes! I read it, that's exactly right. Thanks.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


First reason, is I want to strengthen my mind, find more control. My mind will give me random evil images and will say nasty things, it will insult those I love and It's like I'm split. My mind is like 'what if' all the time, and my imagination can be both beautiful and cruel. I want more control, I NEED it. Badly.

Second reason...I want to attract ufos...because apparently life isn't satisfying enough being mundane :/ I just want to see one. Maybe I can push my thoughts at them some how.

reply to post by Lunette


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Alpha-Theta Binaural Beat Session

(note on linux I just use soundconverter to make into mp3 file)


Tibetan Drum Meditation with Theta Brain Waves for Deep Relaxation

This one is really nice!

Listen under the stars! Very soft! But there is more. Really have joy, the wish for happiness for all, care about everyone, the homeless, all of nature. And have respect for all that help us behind the scenes, our guardian angels, angel-ets, helpers pulling us through this dark valley. And just beam love and gratitude up there. Sort of rise above the negative ones and if one would show up you would hug them and ask they go to a safe place to turn the dial up on their love, where they wouldn't be punished for not following bad orders. So you really have compassion and have gratitude for all the Love and Helpers. Be of right heart, and right intent, maybe humor.

Then try to feel the sky, do excersises opening your Insight or Third Eye awareness, just sense, akin to informal RV. Reach out. Play with the stars. Imagine things like this: we're all connected in a giant dvd screen, there is no space between those stars, its imagined, we're all co-sharing a plasma screen, the depth perception and even Time, is in your brain. Everything up there you can touch, just reach for it, examine it. And your life, is infinite, equal to infinity itself, endless is its name, and there is no time. Who were you yesterday, who are you tomorrow, and outside this body suit?

Things like that are good think of listening to theta under the stars.

And this, imagine you're flying through the sky, through space, growing bigger, and bigger, and bigger....

Lunette
Okay, I tried meditating a day back. I was so into it later I found I had drooled a bit even o_o .... well, I had these twitches in my hand and arm randomly, and it made me think back to years back when I was just out of high school.

I was on a tour bus, looking at colleges and I fell asleep. Kind of half sleep, and I was dreaming while taking in sounds and incorporating in my dream (I'm sure some of you know what I mean). Suddenly my arm shot up, and I almost punched someone....

I heard you're supposed to have sleep paralysis etc...but of course not, now right? It also makes me think of way back when mom said I sleep walked.

Is this caused by mental error or is it normal?

You shouldn't be meditating. The twiches are from nerves, chemical reactions and the weak electricity (not the same as the wall outlets). You chose to work with your self and you are a collection of memories. Now a memory presented itself, the most important conflict in your mind surfaced and you wanted to act on it physically, like maybe call someone on the phone, or write a letter or go see that person and that is something you must understand so you can control this impulse.

If you don't learn how to control it, your nervous system might be damaged over years. Punching is not a good thing, it means you didn't have the proper response to someone's question and you wanted him or her gone. What you need to do is find out what the question was and come up with an answer and learn how to express that to the other so the other knows you know and then you don't have to defend yourself again.

Personally if I were you I'd drop it, become zombie like and study biology. That way you have all the correct answers and hopefully don't have to punch anyone physically but you could mentally tell someone about whatever it was that got you upset. I bet it's about sexuality but I shouldn't.

Lunette
reply to post by InhaleExhale

 

First reason, is I want to strengthen my mind, find more control. My mind will give me random evil images and will say nasty things, it will insult those I love and It's like I'm split. My mind is like 'what if' all the time, and my imagination can be both beautiful and cruel. I want more control, I NEED it. Badly.

Second reason...I want to attract ufos...because apparently life isn't satisfying enough being mundane :/ I just want to see one. Maybe I can push my thoughts at them some how.

You could also try some aikido lessons, at least you can't be blamed by others you would hit someone. You shouldn't be wanting to attract UFO's, I never got that crazy idea. How would you like it if on another planet some alien was posting on their network about attracting UFO's and you might be it?

Unless you are talking about attracting the other gender, which can be seen as unknown because they are not the same gender. So if you must, just visualize a cube or sphere around them and sooner or later they have to respond. But I must warn you, it's evil to do so but guess you need to learn that. Life can be as great as you imagine it to be, you just need a longterm goal, a plan for life, not just do as your parents did and copy them but really think about it all first, then it can become your own plan.

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Wow, thanks! I'll download both right away. The one makes my head tingle :3

It is normal.

For instance.

Category Symptoms
Motor symptoms

1. Body assuming and maintaining strange positions for no apparent reason.
2. Body becoming frozen or locked into strange positions and immovable.
3. Breathing spontaneously stopping or becoming rapid, shallow, or deep for no apparent reason.
4. Spontaneous involuntary bodily movements.

May I suggest you reading up on Kundalini syndrome so that you are not easily spooked. .

en.wikipedia.org...

And do not give into fear. Nothing can mentally harm a person who faces fear straight on.

Frank Herbert wrote this and it fits:
"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing......Only I will remain."

reply to post by Lunette

My mind will give me random evil images and will say nasty things, it will insult those I love and It's like I'm split. My mind is like 'what if' all the time, and my imagination can be both beautiful and cruel.

I believe you are one of many,

What you describe your mind doing is something I have struggled with and still experience but now with understanding.

I want more control, I NEED it. Badly.

When your mind gives you these negative thoughts or images what do do, what have attempted to make them stop?

Do you get upset/frustrated at yourself that you cannot control these thoughts or quiet them?

Have you spoken out loud (not shout, well if you must then shout out) for these thoughts to leave or to cease, that you don't wont them poisoning you at that particular moment?

Sometimes my thoughts feel as thought they are not mine and I have no control over them, however if they get too intense and I cant seem to get them out of my head, I ask them leave.

To me that sounds very delusional, however it seems to work on a personal level for me.

I am just as split as you or anyone else, all will have conflicts in their minds.

Look for solutions that may suit you, be it a religious dogma or belief or a scientific approach and study how our minds are quite complex and see if you can find similarities with what psychology might offer and apply that or what a more spiritual approach might offer.

I want to attract ufos.

The more you wont something the more pain you will feel not receiving it.

Let go of your wants and desires,

What are UFOs to you? you want to attract something unknown and unidentified or you want have contact with life alien to this planet?

Can you see why you might have these negative thoughts, you want to attract something unknown, maybe you are and they are in the form of these what you consider evil thoughts?

because apparently life isn't satisfying enough being mundane

Is that your true opinion and do you really feel that way?


Life has sooooooooooooo much, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much to offer without having to envy that we hear others have experienced.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


Well, I really like the idea of something special. I don't want to go about my life like normal, get a job, get married, have kids/no kids, and die. I want something cosmic and beautiful. I want to be able to walk around in public and feel that there is a rift between me and the rest of the average/predictable world.

When I was younger, I used to want to meet elves or fairies. I'd be near the trees or out in the elements, the rain or snow, and I'd feel that cold air. For some reason, the cold makes me feel ethereal. It's a beautiful feeling.

I've always yearned for the fantastic, the strange. When I write, there is always a fantasy element to my writing. I enjoy them.


I never shout out loud, I'm very shy and reserved. I can be a chatter box of course when others talk to me, but I don't actively seek out social situations, I'm sort of an introvert.

I try and block these thoughts away by forcing new images, or apologizing to myself in some way. It makes me think of a story I read long ago, that to have the white world (a fantasy story I read), the world that evokes feelings of happiness and light--you had to have the black one as well. It came at the cost of suffering both, this perfect happiness.

I have a very good imagination...but it's *too* good, and a random suggestion by some distorted part of myself, and it can fall apart. It can make fun of those I love at a random whim, or make me feel un confident and lacking.

Sorry, if this is all nonsense, I don't seem to explain things very well.

reply to post by Lunette

I want something cosmic and beautiful.

Don't we all,

Well, I really like the idea of something special.

Change what something special means to you.

get a job, get married, have kids/no kids, and die.

Getting a job is special, you find a place in the community where you contribute in some sort of way.

You find a way getting income for the work you do and don't wait for hand outs that way.

Getting married is extremely special,having kids even more so.

You seem to have a negative outlook and find what many would hope experience as merely normal.

there is no normal when it come to the diversity of life.

I want to be able to walk around in public and feel that there is a rift between me and the rest of the average/predictable world.

You are a part of it,

If you want to separate from what you are a part of for selfish reasons (your wants) you might be hurting yourself and those influenced by your life.

I never shout out loud, I'm very shy and reserved. I can be a chatter box of course when others talk to me, but I don't actively seek out social situations, I'm sort of an introvert.

I am very introverted, I don't seek out social interaction, Joining ATS was one but it is anonymous and you really are not meeting people,

This vague description of your social stance is almost identical to mine.

When I said to shout, I meant at yourself and your thoughts, like if they upset you and you cannot control them, try interacting with your feelings by voicing them to yourself, if you upset about feeling a certain put a firm tone in your voice and tell yourself, be gone with you vile thoughts poisoning my mind, find a way you communicate with your feelings so to be able to debate with them and if you can find reason why you should be in control you should be able to sweep these thoughts away as though they were nothing but dust on a window making it harder to see whats outside.

I try and block these thoughts away by forcing new images, or apologizing to myself in some way.

try to block them, if that is not working maybe look to try understand those feeling deeper then.

Don't feel sorry for yourself, you create your own happiness and sorrow.

The more sorrow you feel for yourself the more helpless you will be, then to use force to apply new images if it works will only cover what still lurking behind will it not?

with deeper understanding of these feelings we get we can overpower how much attention our minds give to them.

they (our dark and evil thoughts)will always be with us as we look at things through the dualistic principle,

understanding these thoughts and the necessity of these concepts to bring balance will eventually help you overcome any hurdle before you.

Sorry, if this is all nonsense, I don't seem to explain things very well.

None whatsoever, look up at the nonsense that I have just posted, if you can make something of it and it maybe helps you well then I might not be that lost after all. You see, I can tell my dark thoughts to leave but I feel just as lost as any other person on this journey of life.

I have a strange connecting feeling to what you are saying here in this thread and felt obligated to reply with my own personal view of what I am interpreting you saying and feeling and offer some solutions, not really solutions but ideas if you have not tried or thought of them.

Its a hard subject to discuss where all in the discussion will be on the same page,

we are all individual spirits/souls that have that spark or connection to each other and the source of everything, so we all have our own understanding.

I believe I understood your stance and you explained well enough, even though it is fairly vague, I just seemed to connect to what you wrote.

reply to post by InhaleExhale


I was probably a bit vague about the 'special' part where it concerned normal everyday things. We are expected to do those things I listed, and yes, life/birth is special etc, and it's nice to settle down with someone you love, but I selfishly feel that I want more than this. Of course, like you said, don't we all want something cosmic and beautiful?

Thanks for your reply, I'm going to seriously keep at meditating and see if I can gain control to better myself as a whole.